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rubbish. your comment wasn't at all relevant to anything I said.

move on, I'm bored of ya...

Benny the beaut is right! But not necessarily for the right reasons...
We must be careful that we dont start picking and choosing which trophy is worth winning because it sets a dangerous precedent and confuses our already dim players. They should be striving to improve the team and the club by winning every game we are involved in, not just chosen matches.
Which brings me to the early stages of the EL or pre-season friendlies. Does anyone see a difference, really? Before you "inform" me BTB, that one is a cup competition with a trophy at the end and the other is meaningless, just ponder this. They are BOTH used to blood young players and get older players match fitness and have the same stature of team to play against. One is long, boring and hard work, while the other is short, exciting and easy, but brings in more audience and potentially new supporters for LFC and therefore more money (allegedly)
In these modern times we have seen the "old" values and reputation of LFC tested to breaking point. We are in a different era from the glory days and we need to think about this and adapt accordingly.

Thommo's perm » Thu May 02, 2013 11:11 pm wrote:Benny the beaut is right! But not necessarily for the right reasons...
We must be careful that we dont start picking and choosing which trophy is worth winning because it sets a dangerous precedent and confuses our already dim players. They should be striving to improve the team and the club by winning every game we are involved in, not just chosen matches.
Which brings me to the early stages of the EL or pre-season friendlies. Does anyone see a difference, really? Before you "inform" me BTB, that one is a cup competition with a trophy at the end and the other is meaningless, just ponder this. They are BOTH used to blood young players and get older players match fitness and have the same stature of team to play against. One is long, boring and hard work, while the other is short, exciting and easy, but brings in more audience and potentially new supporters for LFC and therefore more money (allegedly)
In these modern times we have seen the "old" values and reputation of LFC tested to breaking point. We are in a different era from the glory days and we need to think about this and adapt accordingly.

The point is, we're not even in Europe as it stands and BR has stated he'd prefer it that way as he'd rather the team qualified for it on merit. Nothing wrong with that IMO.

Kenny Kan » Thu May 02, 2013 11:24 pm wrote:

Thommo's perm » Thu May 02, 2013 11:11 pm wrote:Benny the beaut is right! But not necessarily for the right reasons...
We must be careful that we dont start picking and choosing which trophy is worth winning because it sets a dangerous precedent and confuses our already dim players. They should be striving to improve the team and the club by winning every game we are involved in, not just chosen matches.
Which brings me to the early stages of the EL or pre-season friendlies. Does anyone see a difference, really? Before you "inform" me BTB, that one is a cup competition with a trophy at the end and the other is meaningless, just ponder this. They are BOTH used to blood young players and get older players match fitness and have the same stature of team to play against. One is long, boring and hard work, while the other is short, exciting and easy, but brings in more audience and potentially new supporters for LFC and therefore more money (allegedly)
In these modern times we have seen the "old" values and reputation of LFC tested to breaking point. We are in a different era from the glory days and we need to think about this and adapt accordingly.

The point is, we're not even in Europe as it stands and BR has stated he'd prefer it that way as he'd rather the team qualified for it on merit. Nothing wrong with that IMO.

Not to mention the fact that the Fair Play route increases the number of games you play by virtue of earlier qualification games.

One thing levelled against Rodgers during the first half of the season was how poor his signings in the summer were.

Opinions are negative, or at best split, regarding Borini and Allen for a combined 25 million.

Sturridge and Coutinho for around 22 million seems much better business.  By then Rodgers had time to assess the squad properly and work with our scouting team.

I think he will turn out to have a good eye for a transfer personally.  If Coutinho fulfills his potential he could be worth silly money by the time he's 25.  Sturridge will get you 20 goals a season if he gets enough games.

Personally I'll shut up about Brendan's transfer dealings (not least because I didn't fancy Sturridge and was unconvinced that Coutinho would be good enough having struggled in Italy), that is unless he goes for Ashley Williams!!!  Watch Williams get player of the year in a LFC shirt next season going by my record

When the window shut at the end of August and we had lost the proven quality and experience of Kuyt, Maxi and Bellamy in the attacking positions and only managed to bring in Borini and Assaidi, I knew a 70 point target and top 4 finish was not really something we could realistically challenge for baring some sort of freak like Newcastle last season.

For me the target was 60 points which would hopefully bring a top 6 finish. I also wanted some sort of cohesion and strategy in our play and approach to the transfer market which I believe we have. If we can pick up two more wins from the remaining 3 games I think Rodgers will have done a pretty decent job in what was always going to be a messy first season.

Most reasonable fans had modest expectations going into this season but the next one will be very different. The pressure will really be on. I’m a fan of a lot of Rodgers is trying to do, there is nothing revolutionary there and many of the principles he works towards have bought success to many clubs, it’s just a matter of whether he has what it takes to implement it at this level.

You're right Cool Hand Luke, there are a lot of things BR needs to look into and improve on for next season. We're are the 2nd highest scoring team in the PL yet we're stuck hard at 7th, it means he has to revolutionise the defence. Stevie G is aging, he needs to find a future replacement. He needs another striker to replace a possible imminent departure of Suarez.

Tactics wise, he needs to learn how to break down all the physical teams like Stoke, WBA and against sides that just come to defend and park a bus in front of their goalie like West Ham recently. Many teams are still afraid to play us at Anfield and are contented with a draw, it's these teams that we need to wipe out like the way we did at Newcastle last week. Plus his team needs to be consistent, not win 4-0 6-0 this week and get beat next game (very likely with Everton). If the owners are generous enough to fund him heavily, he needs to be wise in his signings, not going back to Swansea and buy the whole squad over. He has a tendency to sign players whom he had worked with in the past like Borini, Allen, Sturridge and now he's eyeing Vorm and Williams from his old club.

When Rodgers joined the club it was only him and Ayre doing the transfer dealings so you can understand why it was easier to look at players he already knew.  By January we had the first two Man city guys in place and we despeately needed a couple of forwards, Sturridge was one obvious choice, I assume the new guys came up with Coutinho ?

We now have another couple of ex Man city recruitment staff in place so let's hope they come up with another 2 or 3 gems this summer. What concerns me is with Carragher retiring and Gerrard being another year older, we need a couple of top class players who can take responsibility and make things happen.

We've had enough change over the last couple of years, we now need stability, decent financial backing and the chance to build a top team over the next couple of years.

Credit to Rodgers for altering the formation of the team yesterday ,we looked solid enough with Henderson but introducing Borini gave
Everton more to think about in nullifying our attack ,and the introduction of Skrtel late on gave  Johnson and in particular Enrique the
impetus to push forward..... Whisper it quietly ,but I think he's learning.

Henderson was one of our few stand out players in a poor game and he is taken off for Borini who did nothing?

RED BEERGOGGLES » Mon May 06, 2013 7:35 pm wrote:Credit to Rodgers for altering the formation of the team yesterday ,we looked solid enough with Henderson but introducing Borini gave
Everton more to think about in nullifying our attack ,and the introduction of Skrtel late on gave  Johnson and in particular Enrique the
impetus to push forward..... Whisper it quietly ,but I think he's learning.

It was just another poor sub from BR to add to all the others witnessed this season.

devaney » Mon May 06, 2013 7:09 pm wrote:Henderson was one of our few stand out players in a poor game and he is taken off for Borini who did nothing?

I agree ,but he showed the stones to tinker with the formation enough to push the Bitterz on the back foot,and he done it again with the
introduction of Skrtel . I think Rodgers has been lambasted (by some ,not all ) for his inability to change the formation when it was clearly
not paying dividends ,I think yesterday he proved he was trying everything to take all three points....Even in making decisions that didn't
exactly meet with the Kops approval.

RED BEERGOGGLES » Mon May 06, 2013 8:14 pm wrote:

devaney » Mon May 06, 2013 7:09 pm wrote:Henderson was one of our few stand out players in a poor game and he is taken off for Borini who did nothing?

I agree ,but he showed the stones to tinker with the formation enough to push the Bitterz on the back foot.

We were at home - they should have been on the back foot all game

It was poor - really poor

RED BEERGOGGLES » Mon May 06, 2013 7:14 pm wrote:

devaney » Mon May 06, 2013 7:09 pm wrote:Henderson was one of our few stand out players in a poor game and he is taken off for Borini who did nothing?

I agree ,but he showed the stones to tinker with the formation enough to push the Bitterz on the back foot.

Surely taking off Downing who had been rubbish would have been a better alternative. Taking off Henderson was about as ridiculous as taking off Gerrard had BR decided to do that.