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maguswkt

Demba Ba who is available for 7m

metalhead » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:50 pm wrote:maguswkt

Demba Ba who is available for 7m

Much as I'd like to see it happen Metalhead, I think he'll end up at Chelsea. If not, another club in the CL.

What makes people think Ba would be even remotely interested in swapping Newcastle for us? The only reason to move to us would be for a big salary and long contract and I can’t see that happening. Going to Chelsea would be a major step up for him, coming to us would just be a case of moving sideways.

eds » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:30 pm wrote:

Another sad one f**king liner, do f**k off mate your intelligence is wanted over on the Soccernet boards. Mommies titties, is that the best you have got? Are you six years old or mentally retarded?  [/quote]

Deal with it lad, after you grow up you will find out that you can't have what you want all the time... enjoy your mother's couch and cereal while you can... can't even suggest a player psshhh     

metalhead » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:50 pm wrote:maguswkt

Demba Ba who is available for 7m

I'd love to have Demba Ba here mate. And I'm sure we are monitoring his availability too. But sadly if Chelsea is interested, we are unlikey to match the wage that they offer. Probably the reason why Chelsea is letting go of Sturridge. We need to start accepting the reality that:

1. We are not one of the top destination choices for top players anymore due to the fact that we are not in the CL
2. We can't compete with the likes of City, Chelsea and United when it comes to wages.

In an ideal world, we should've signed Huntelaar when he moved from Milan to Shalke. Now that he is doing well in Shalke, it is harder to convince him or his club to sell him. It doesn't mean thought that we cannot get any top players. It just means that it is that much harder. Our scouting network needs to improve and I feel that our scouting has never been the stronger side for us. Arsenal's scouting is top notch and United can find gems here and there. Ours has been quite mediocre. The investment in youth that Benitez started was actually promising, but after he got sacked I'm not even sure that there's continuity.

I have a feeling though Sturridge might be a better choice in the long run, provided of course he can adapt into BR's system and form a good partnership with Suarez. And being able to adapt to a system is what it's about these days...

eds » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:32 pm wrote:

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:21 pm wrote:Let's see which worms will crawl back under the log after we win today...

Calling another fans worms will surely endear you around here.

Keep up the great work mommies titties.....hahaha 

I posted that to see who will respond... you know who you are then... 

maguskwt » Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:33 am wrote:

eds » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:32 pm wrote:

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:21 pm wrote:Let's see which worms will crawl back under the log after we win today...

Calling another fans worms will surely endear you around here.

Keep up the great work mommies titties.....hahaha 

I posted that to see who will respond... you know who you are then... 

You sure outsmarted us

An interesting statistic that a commentator mentioned yesterday was that Liverpool have taken 20 out of a possible 27 points against lower-half-of-the-table teams. With the win against QPR, this goes up to 23/30, which is pretty darn good, and consistent.

But what this means is that, against the upper half of the table, we have collected a measly 5 out of a possible 27 points! That is astonishingly poor, and clearly shows where we're at as a team.

The big question is if we can improve our performances against the top-half-teams in the second half of the season. We need to try and best Everton, West Brom, Stoke and Swansea by the end of this season. Let's hope that it can happen!

kartiek » Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:15 am wrote:An interesting statistic that a commentator mentioned yesterday was that Liverpool have taken 20 out of a possible 27 points against lower-half-of-the-table teams. With the win against QPR, this goes up to 23/30, which is pretty darn good, and consistent.

But what this means is that, against the upper half of the table, we have collected a measly 5 out of a possible 27 points! That is astonishingly poor, and clearly shows where we're at as a team.

The big question is if we can improve our performances against the top-half-teams in the second half of the season. We need to try and best Everton, West Brom, Stoke and Swansea by the end of this season. Let's hope that it can happen!

Interesting stats but not surprising given the personnel we have.

Reina: We have a keeper who has dramatically lost form and is unable to reach the heights he set a few years back, very prone to making a clanger or 2.
Johnson: Baring Suarez has been our best player - big tick for him!
Skertel: Overall he has done very well IMO. He's made 1 or 2 personal blunders but most of the goals conceded by the team is down to the midfield, not him, not Agger.
Agger: Overall he has done very well. Prone to losing his marker now and again but is a good ball playing center half who like Skertel has had a decent season.
Enrique: He's been great since his return to the team, along with Suarez and Johnson he has made the star performing trio of the team.

Midfield, where our issues start.

Gerrard: Today, if the team plays well he plays well, not the other way round. Should be used more sparingly to get the best out of him, his influence and legs are not there anymore.
Lucas: Since his return to the side he has been a steady Eddie.
Allen: His bright start in a Red jersey has quickly faded into poor form. Has no physical strength whatsoever which is a worry. Hasn't influenced as much as I'd have hoped. By all accounts he has been struggling with a groin injury recently.
Henderson: Since he's been used more sparingly has looked better IMO than when he did played week in week out under Kenny. The pressure isn't on. Technically very sound, great engine still lacks guts though which when all is said and done makes him a 'run of the meal prem player', like Downing a nearly man.
Shelvey: Opposite of Henderson, he has guts but lacks technical ability. He is, the old Skertel of our midfield - an accident waiting to happen. Again very average at best.

Downing: A nearly man. average run of the meal player our position in the league resembles him perfectly.
Suso: A prospect who should be playing in the reserves more IMO. Not ready to influence week in week out.
Sterling: Good player who again like Suso has been over used and relied upon (don't really blame Rodgers for this, the squad is thin)
Suarez: World class, where would we be without him.

Only 3 players there out of an entire team (at any given time) who actually on form look as though they play for a team much better than a team sitting in mid-table. It's easy to see why we are where we are. The rest for various reasons haven't/can't match this seasons three amigos and it's dragged us down. FFS, two are fullbacks and one a striker. We have imo massive issues with midfield as well as upfront. And unless our owners substantially back Rodgers we'll be making pigeon steps, not inroads up the table.

John Aldridge says Liverpool should try to sign Theo Walcott and Demba Ba in January

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... in-January

He told Goals on Sunday: "With all due respect we've paid a lot of money for people that haven't fitted the bill, £20million here and there.

"I'm only speaking hypothetically, but Demba Ba - what a couple of seasons he's had! He's mobile, he's a presence up front and he's strong.

"And Walcott as well... you'd probably get them two now for £20million. It's only hypothetical, but I think they are the type of players that they are looking at.


sturridge and ince for 16-17m or ba and walcott for 20m?

i used to think walcott is a one trick donkey but 2 hat tricks this season beg to differ. the ba and walcott combination looks very tempting.
ba is a long shot once chelskit comes calling, walcott is a life long lfc fan but i really dont see it happening but this 2 signings will be great.

Liverpool is in a catch 22 situation regarding signing star players, without CL we cannot get them, and to qualify for CL you need star players. One way to get out of this dilemma is to have a great scouting system where unknown gems can still be found and signed from other parts of the world. Newcastle and Swansea did a great job in signing Ba and Michu from Germany and Spain respectively. Both players are among the top scorers in the PL and they didn't cost their clubs a bomb and were relatively unknown. So I hope our scouting system can emulate them.

So far BR (Get well soon by the way) gives me the impression he mostly signs players whom he has worked with in the past like Borini (Chelsea), Allen (Swans), Siggurdson from the Swans as well but failed. He must look outside the box and not just on Buy British, a grave blunder that our previous out dated manager made.

kartiek » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:15 am wrote:An interesting statistic that a commentator mentioned yesterday was that Liverpool have taken 20 out of a possible 27 points against lower-half-of-the-table teams. With the win against QPR, this goes up to 23/30, which is pretty darn good, and consistent.

But what this means is that, against the upper half of the table, we have collected a measly 5 out of a possible 27 points! That is astonishingly poor, and clearly shows where we're at as a team.

The big question is if we can improve our performances against the top-half-teams in the second half of the season. We need to try and best Everton, West Brom, Stoke and Swansea by the end of this season. Let's hope that it can happen!

And it only seems like yesterday when we beating the top teams and our season was derailed by dropping points to the cellar dwellers

Oh the irony

laza » Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:01 pm wrote:

kartiek » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:15 am wrote:An interesting statistic that a commentator mentioned yesterday was that Liverpool have taken 20 out of a possible 27 points against lower-half-of-the-table teams. With the win against QPR, this goes up to 23/30, which is pretty darn good, and consistent.

But what this means is that, against the upper half of the table, we have collected a measly 5 out of a possible 27 points! That is astonishingly poor, and clearly shows where we're at as a team.

The big question is if we can improve our performances against the top-half-teams in the second half of the season. We need to try and best Everton, West Brom, Stoke and Swansea by the end of this season. Let's hope that it can happen!

And it only seems like yesterday when we beating the top teams and our season was derailed by dropping points to the cellar dwellers

Oh the irony

But that precisely makes me a little content. There's at least a method to the madness. For the past 2 years, we were consistently beating the top teams and struggling against the bottom dwellers. How does that even make any sense?! At least now we understand where we're at, and can hope we improve in the second half of the season.

kartiek » Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:10 pm wrote:

laza » Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:01 pm wrote:

kartiek » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:15 am wrote:An interesting statistic that a commentator mentioned yesterday was that Liverpool have taken 20 out of a possible 27 points against lower-half-of-the-table teams. With the win against QPR, this goes up to 23/30, which is pretty darn good, and consistent.

But what this means is that, against the upper half of the table, we have collected a measly 5 out of a possible 27 points! That is astonishingly poor, and clearly shows where we're at as a team.

The big question is if we can improve our performances against the top-half-teams in the second half of the season. We need to try and best Everton, West Brom, Stoke and Swansea by the end of this season. Let's hope that it can happen!

And it only seems like yesterday when we beating the top teams and our season was derailed by dropping points to the cellar dwellers

Oh the irony

But that precisely makes me a little content. There's at least a method to the madness. For the past 2 years, we were consistently beating the top teams and struggling against the bottom dwellers. How does that even make any sense?! At least now we understand where we're at, and can hope we improve in the second half of the season.

well our record against the top sides arent as bad, we drawn to man c due to skertel suicidal back pass and outplaying them most time, drawn everton becoz of a wrong disallowed suarez goal.
we drawn chelskit at the brigde, which is not the easiest place to go to.
we lost to manyoo after outplaying them for most of the match with 10 men very early, and due to a controversial penalty too.
we didnt turn up against gooners and spurs though.

alwayslfc » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:16 am wrote:Liverpool is in a catch 22 situation regarding signing star players, without CL we cannot get them, and to qualify for CL you need star players. One way to get out of this dilemma is to have a great scouting system where unknown gems can still be found and signed from other parts of the world. Newcastle and Swansea did a great job in signing Ba and Michu from Germany and Spain respectively. Both players are among the top scorers in the PL and they didn't cost their clubs a bomb and were relatively unknown. So I hope our scouting system can emulate them.

So far BR (Get well soon by the way) gives me the impression he mostly signs players whom he has worked with in the past like Borini (Chelsea), Allen (Swans), Siggurdson from the Swans as well but failed. He must look outside the box and not just on Buy British, a grave blunder that our previous out dated manager made.

that tactic of bringing in players he knows from previous clubs has worked well for him in the past (when i say past i mean the previous 4 years, thats all he`s been managing).
he took the likes of scott sinclair (who he knew from chelsea), fabio borini (chelsea), gylfi signurdsson (reading) and ryan bertrand (chelsea) to swansea and to be fair he had quite a bit of success with the tactic, but the obvious flaw in that plan is that fringe chelsea players might improve a side looking to be promoted out of the championship or a side that is battling to stay in the prem but are they good enough to catapult a fallen giant (with asperations of winning titles and going toe to toe with the likes of real madrid and barcelona) back to the top again?
in a way i`m starting to feel a bit of sympathy for rodgers, i was reading in the paper over the weekend that rodgers has been told to get us back to the top of the game by investing in youth and by signing reasonably priced players. in other words he`s the first liverpool manager in half a century that cant go out and sign at least 1 marquee player. when the interviewer asked him if our better players are going to hang around waiting for us to stumble across a great side rodgers just said he speaks to luis on the training ground every day and so far he hasnt said he`s unhappy at the club. rodgers also said that his contract as manager runs for 3 years and all he can do is try his best in those 3 years to build a side and see what happens.
rodgers doesnt stand a chance, he`s got an impossible job, one constant in football is that the teams with the better players win the big trophies and if we arent in the market for those better players then the fact is we wont be competing for the big trophies.
i`m just glad i grew up watching so many great sides and seeing so much success because barring a miracle those days wont be back anytime soon.