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by **eds** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:21 pm

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:
Name ONE player who you would bring in who is available in January who you perceive is better than Sturridge, clearly suited to the premier league, and is available for around 12 million (more or less) AND who is also willing to come to us.

So you know for a FACT that the best player we can get on the planet right now, according to your criteria is Daniel "f**king" Sturridge. Get the f**k out of here. What a ridiculous argument. I hate this self-depracting s**t that we aren't good enough to bring in quality players. There are a ton of good players we can get for 12-15 million that would be calculated risks. Sturridge is a lazy transfer based on lazy recruiting. To say for a fact that he is the best we can do right now is just wrong. Most fans know what we are going to get and for 12 million, he ain't worth it!

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:
Until then your talk is cheap... you think that with a snap of a finger, or rather with a press of some buttons abxy, you can buy any player from any league you want as if you're playing Fifa or Winning Eleven?

Err no, another stupid pointless one line comment. As one of the biggest CLUBS in the world I expect our manager and scouting network to be spending more time in bringing in "unknown" young players rather then taking the easy way out and bringing in the likes of Sturridge.

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:And Sturridge has not even signed for us yet, much less played for us and we are already ruling him out?

What can I say, you are mind-bogglingly dumb to justify spending 12 MILLION on a PLAYER that HAS 6 MONTHS LEFT ON HIS CONTRACT! I haven't ruled him out, I am just questioning the money we are spending on another Henderson, Downing, Carroll "safety" type player.

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:... Was Torres as prolific at Athleti as he was for us? Were there not calls for Sturridge to be part of the transfer that sent Torres to Chelski?

Torres was probably one of Rafa's biggest risks that worked. Some times they do, some times they don't (Aqualani and Keane). This proves my point, we need to be taking more risks to catch-up to the likes of the top 4. We are getting no where signing "safety" players the Brendan feels comfortable working with. Eventually we will end up with a squad full of these players THAT WON'T TAKE US ANYWHERE.

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:Please grow some balls and go and support chelski or city if you want instant success. Instant noodles, instant pornography and instant orgasms seem to be fueling your brain.

How are we going to buy "instant" success with the budget we have compared to City or Chelsea's? If I wanted instant success I would have swapped my allegiance A LONG TIME AGO to likes of Manure of Chelsea. I have been supporting LIVERPOOL probably longer than the time your father released those tiny swimmers that created you sonny jim, so please s**t the f**k up before trying to school me on what "support" is.

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:Since when are Sahin, Assaidi and Yesil players he's been involved with?

Since when have Sahin, Assaidi or Yesil formed part of our main XI. A redundant argument as I pointed out before. WOW let's all look at the players outside his network THAT HAVEN'T F**KING FEATURED AT ALL THIS SEASON.

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:All these are to me quite brave efforts by BR.

Yeah it takes a lot of bravery and effort to sign a player and then not play them. :no

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:On the flip side is all these young talented foreign players often struggle to hit the ground running in the premier league and that is exactly what's happening here.

How do you actually know that when you haven't seen them play much? What about all the young talented foreign players that don't actually struggle?

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:For every Suarez, there are dozens of others who will fail to adapt to premier league.

So you can statistically prove that for every 13 foreign players, one will adapt the other 12 will fail. What f**king horse s**t. I am really laughing now

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:Heck even the likes of Shevchenko and Veron, who are experienced world class talents failed to adapt to the premier league.

Where they "young" foreign players? When did your criteria move? It what universe would we be signing the quality of Shevchenko and Veron for 12 million? You are just randomly giving me names of quality players that failed to make a mark. I really don't know what point you are trying to make

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:There is clearly a directive from the owners regarding the profile of players for transfers after the amount of fortune we have squandered under Kenny and Commoli and a reasonable fan understands that under such circumstances if BR would go for talents who he is familiar with. If anything, I lay the blame on the owners. The failure to increase the offer for Dempsey shows that BR has to work within the owner's constraints and could not simply buy the players he wish. So like I said, give him time and judge him after at least one more season.

Yeah the directive is pretty clear it looks like we don't have much money to spend after the royal f**k-ups of last season. I amazed that you are able to see that Kenny squandered money on the likes of Downing, Adam, Henderson and Caroll. Yet
when it comes to the Brendan's signings we don't hear the same "impartial" views. I would say that up until this point not one of his signings has stood out and Sturridge will be more money lost and take us no where.

Not signing Dempsey was a blessing in disguise. He shouldn't be anywhere near our club, as he ain't good enough. Another one hit wonder just like Charlie Adam.

I as a fan, am allowed to comment on where we are so far and it ain't pretty. Rodgers has my full support, I don't want him to leave but I really want him to start bringing in some more calculated risks that can turn our fortunes around. Not spending our limited budget on players in his comfort zone.

by **Boxscarf** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:43 pm

The Raven » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:09 pm wrote:

Well that in itself is scary.

By all accounts some fans think we are a wreck of a football club thats needs ripping apart from top to bottom sell most of the first team and buy loads of players that fit into ONE mans system.

If that system does not work? We are left with a whole squad put together to play one way by one man. Not a really bad idea if that man has a record of doing a good job at that alas BR does not.

Im sorry but the manager and players have let us down at points this season. The villa game, WBA, Stoke ect i can handle losing if we show some kind of fight, those game mentioned showed a team that just couldnt be bothered.

I believe that Brendan Rodgers philosophy of emulating Barcelona's total football can work, I mean Barcelona aren't the first team to play this way and neither was Holland in the 1970's. Argentine club River Plate were playing such football in the 1940's and Hungary were playing such football in the 1950's and should have at least won a World Cup in that decade.

He needs players who can play that way and presently many in our team cannot play that way. Barcelona's total football, tiki-taka football goes back to when Cruijff was their manager back in the mid-1980's. Barcelona's success was around twenty years in the making and if Brendan wants to instill such a philosophy here, then it's going to take many years, not months as frustrating as that is. I think all managers should be backed in their plan to drive their respective clubs forward and I don't believe a current manager should be punished for the mistakes of his predecessors either.

Rodgers needs to be backed with more than £30m, if he backed in the January and then again in the summer and next season if we're still struggling then people can really start questioning Rodgers ability to manage us, however make no mistake about it, Comolli and Kenny between them have caused this club a great bother with their ineptitude in the transfer market in Jan 2011 and the summer of 2011.

by **friendlyguy33** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:43 pm

Boxscarf » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:43 am wrote:
The Raven » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:09 pm wrote:

Well that in itself is scary.

By all accounts some fans think we are a wreck of a football club thats needs ripping apart from top to bottom sell most of the first team and buy loads of players that fit into ONE mans system.

If that system does not work? We are left with a whole squad put together to play one way by one man. Not a really bad idea if that man has a record of doing a good job at that alas BR does not.

Im sorry but the manager and players have let us down at points this season. The villa game, WBA, Stoke ect i can handle losing if we show some kind of fight, those game mentioned showed a team that just couldnt be bothered.

I believe that Brendan Rodgers philosophy of emulating Barcelona's total football can work, I mean Barcelona aren't the first team to play this way and neither was Holland in the 1970's. Argentine club River Plate were playing such football in the 1940's and Hungary were playing such football in the 1950's and should have at least won a World Cup in that decade.

He needs players who can play that way and presently many in our team cannot play that way. Barcelona's total football, tiki-taka football goes back to when Cruijff was their manager back in the mid-1980's. Barcelona's success was around twenty years in the making and if Brendan wants to instill such a philosophy here, then it's going to take many years, not months as frustrating as that is. I think all managers should be backed in their plan to drive their respective clubs forward and I don't believe a current manager should be punished for the mistakes of his predecessors either.

Rodgers needs to be backed with more than £30m, if he backed in the January and then again in the summer and next season if we're still struggling then people can really start questioning Rodgers ability to manage us, however make no mistake about it, Comolli and Kenny between them have caused this club a great bother with their ineptitude in the transfer market in Jan 2011 and the summer of 2011.

I don't agree as the squad was already in decline when Kenny was appointed to succeed Roy. What happened at the end of season 10-11 was that Kenny got those players to peak the likes of Lucas, Spearing, Kuyt, Maxi and Meireles combined well together. Kenny got the best out of those players and with Suarez coming in we didn't really miss Torres at all at the end of that season. The paradox of this is the idea that Kenny shouldn't have brought anyone in during the summer of 2011 except say Doni and Enrique.

However at the end of 10-11 the team had nothing to lose as the top four was virtually out of reach and after the Europa defeat by Braga there were no trophies left to compete for. The 0-0 at home to Braga illustrated however how weak the squad was though as the away team put men behind the ball which exposed the lack of creativity we had in the squad. With Gerrard injured for that game and Suarez ineligible we looked horribly out of out depth.

In terms of the signings of 2011 I think it became harder to get the team Kenny wanted to get back into the top four immediately once Ashley Young decided he wanted to go to Old Trafford and the likes of Mata didn't want to join us. I suspect that the main error was that there was a belief that Suarez could provide enough inspiration and spark to score enough goals to keep us in contention and that bigger things were expected of Downing. I don't think that the midfield of Lucas, Spearing, Kuyt and Meireles would have carried on where they left off from the end of the previous season even if Adam, Henderson and Downing hadn't joined us. I think we would have finished 7th behind Chelsea and Newcastle with about 60 points even with the team that finished season 10-11.

My feeling is that with the decline from 09-10 onwards even with a few European players brought in during season 11-12 we still wouldn't have got back into the top four. Kenny was not the right man for the long term but he still brought us a winning mentality in the cup competitions and got us back into Europe. It's very much open to question whether Brendan can take us to the next level. I think there will be long term doubts over his future if we're 10th after half the games of next season.

by **Basil** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:54 pm

We can criticise the current and previous managers all we like but I don't think we can underestimate the damage that the previous owners did to the club. With the right backing I believe Rafa could have taken us to the very top, Kenny did his best but the new owners tried to impose themselves in something they new nothing about. I think they know they made mistakes and have tried to put things right, they'be brought in their own man and are trying to back him financially as well as sorting out our finances. Only time will tell if he's the right man for the job but we need stability and he needs our support if he's going to do well.

by **stmichael** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:53 pm

i give in with some of our fans.

now rodgers isn't well that's another excuse to bash him with. "if he was committed he'd be here regardless" blah blah blah

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:57 pm

stmichael » Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:53 pm wrote:i give in with some of our fans.

now rodgers isn't well that's another excuse to bash him with. "if he was committed he'd be here regardless" blah blah blah

If he cared he would be sitting on a commode in the dugout with a bucket to catch the vomit.
Lightwieght
:;):

by **mart** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:03 pm

Boxscarf » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:43 am wrote:He needs players who can play that way and presently many in our team cannot play that way. Barcelona's total football, tiki-taka football goes back to when Cruijff was their manager back in the mid-1980's. Barcelona's success was around twenty years in the making and if Brendan wants to instill such a philosophy here, then it's going to take many years, not months as frustrating as that is.

Are you trying to say it took barca 20 years to get some success?

by **maguskwt** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:11 pm

eds » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:21 am wrote:
maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:
Name ONE player who you would bring in who is available in January who you perceive is better than Sturridge, clearly suited to the premier league, and is available for around 12 million (more or less) AND who is also willing to come to us.

So you know for a FACT that the best player we can get on the planet right now, according to your criteria is Daniel "f**king" Sturridge. Get the f**k out of here. What a ridiculous argument. I hate this self-depracting s**t that we aren't good enough to bring in quality players. There are a ton of good players we can get for 12-15 million that would be calculated risks. Sturridge is a lazy transfer based on lazy recruiting. To say for a fact that he is the best we can do right now is just wrong. Most fans know what we are going to get and for 12 million, he ain't worth it!

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:
Until then your talk is cheap... you think that with a snap of a finger, or rather with a press of some buttons abxy, you can buy any player from any league you want as if you're playing Fifa or Winning Eleven?

Err no, another stupid pointless one line comment. As one of the biggest CLUBS in the world I expect our manager and scouting network to be spending more time in bringing in "unknown" young players rather then taking the easy way out and bringing in the likes of Sturridge.

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:And Sturridge has not even signed for us yet, much less played for us and we are already ruling him out?

What can I say, you are mind-bogglingly dumb to justify spending 12 MILLION on a PLAYER that HAS 6 MONTHS LEFT ON HIS CONTRACT! I haven't ruled him out, I am just questioning the money we are spending on another Henderson, Downing, Carroll "safety" type player.

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:... Was Torres as prolific at Athleti as he was for us? Were there not calls for Sturridge to be part of the transfer that sent Torres to Chelski?

Torres was probably one of Rafa's biggest risks that worked. Some times they do, some times they don't (Aqualani and Keane). This proves my point, we need to be taking more risks to catch-up to the likes of the top 4. We are getting no where signing "safety" players the Brendan feels comfortable working with. Eventually we will end up with a squad full of these players THAT WON'T TAKE US ANYWHERE.

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:Please grow some balls and go and support chelski or city if you want instant success. Instant noodles, instant pornography and instant orgasms seem to be fueling your brain.

How are we going to buy "instant" success with the budget we have compared to City or Chelsea's? If I wanted instant success I would have swapped my allegiance A LONG TIME AGO to likes of Manure of Chelsea. I have been supporting LIVERPOOL probably longer than the time your father released those tiny swimmers that created you sonny jim, so please s**t the f**k up before trying to school me on what "support" is.

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:Since when are Sahin, Assaidi and Yesil players he's been involved with?

Since when have Sahin, Assaidi or Yesil formed part of our main XI. A redundant argument as I pointed out before. WOW let's all look at the players outside his network THAT HAVEN'T F**KING FEATURED AT ALL THIS SEASON.

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:All these are to me quite brave efforts by BR.

Yeah it takes a lot of bravery and effort to sign a player and then not play them. :no

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:On the flip side is all these young talented foreign players often struggle to hit the ground running in the premier league and that is exactly what's happening here.

How do you actually know that when you haven't seen them play much? What about all the young talented foreign players that don't actually struggle?

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:For every Suarez, there are dozens of others who will fail to adapt to premier league.

So you can statistically prove that for every 13 foreign players, one will adapt the other 12 will fail. What f**king horse s**t. I am really laughing now

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:Heck even the likes of Shevchenko and Veron, who are experienced world class talents failed to adapt to the premier league.

Where they "young" foreign players? When did your criteria move? It what universe would we be signing the quality of Shevchenko and Veron for 12 million? You are just randomly giving me names of quality players that failed to make a mark. I really don't know what point you are trying to make

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:There is clearly a directive from the owners regarding the profile of players for transfers after the amount of fortune we have squandered under Kenny and Commoli and a reasonable fan understands that under such circumstances if BR would go for talents who he is familiar with. If anything, I lay the blame on the owners. The failure to increase the offer for Dempsey shows that BR has to work within the owner's constraints and could not simply buy the players he wish. So like I said, give him time and judge him after at least one more season.

Yeah the directive is pretty clear it looks like we don't have much money to spend after the royal f**k-ups of last season. I amazed that you are able to see that Kenny squandered money on the likes of Downing, Adam, Henderson and Caroll. Yet
when it comes to the Brendan's signings we don't hear the same "impartial" views. I would say that up until this point not one of his signings has stood out and Sturridge will be more money lost and take us no where.

Not signing Dempsey was a blessing in disguise. He shouldn't be anywhere near our club, as he ain't good enough. Another one hit wonder just like Charlie Adam.

I as a fan, am allowed to comment on where we are so far and it ain't pretty. Rodgers has my full support, I don't want him to leave but I really want him to start bringing in some more calculated risks that can turn our fortunes around. Not spending our limited budget on players in his comfort zone.

Like I said name one player which you have failed to do so... until then shut up and go and suck your mommies titties... :laugh:

by **maguskwt** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:21 pm

Let's see which worms will crawl back under the log after we win today...

by **The Raven** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:44 pm

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:21 pm wrote:Let's see which worms will crawl back under the log after we win today...

Worms, WUM, C*nt, Scab.

Just a few names ive been called in this thread :bowdown

by **mart** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:51 pm

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:21 pm wrote:Let's see which worms will crawl back under the log after we win today...

Beating the worst team in the league totally changes everything!

by **maguskwt** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:02 pm

mart » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:51 pm wrote:
maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:21 pm wrote:Let's see which worms will crawl back under the log after we win today...

Beating the worst team in the league totally changes everything!

No it doesn't, this is what some of you fail to understand... we are a team in transition, no manager can turn around in 6 months years of mismanagement and bad transfers...

by **eds** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:30 pm

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:11 pm wrote:
eds » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:21 am wrote:
maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:
Name ONE player who you would bring in who is available in January who you perceive is better than Sturridge, clearly suited to the premier league, and is available for around 12 million (more or less) AND who is also willing to come to us.

So you know for a FACT that the best player we can get on the planet right now, according to your criteria is Daniel "f**king" Sturridge. Get the f**k out of here. What a ridiculous argument. I hate this self-depracting s**t that we aren't good enough to bring in quality players. There are a ton of good players we can get for 12-15 million that would be calculated risks. Sturridge is a lazy transfer based on lazy recruiting. To say for a fact that he is the best we can do right now is just wrong. Most fans know what we are going to get and for 12 million, he ain't worth it!

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:
Until then your talk is cheap... you think that with a snap of a finger, or rather with a press of some buttons abxy, you can buy any player from any league you want as if you're playing Fifa or Winning Eleven?

Err no, another stupid pointless one line comment. As one of the biggest CLUBS in the world I expect our manager and scouting network to be spending more time in bringing in "unknown" young players rather then taking the easy way out and bringing in the likes of Sturridge.

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:And Sturridge has not even signed for us yet, much less played for us and we are already ruling him out?

What can I say, you are mind-bogglingly dumb to justify spending 12 MILLION on a PLAYER that HAS 6 MONTHS LEFT ON HIS CONTRACT! I haven't ruled him out, I am just questioning the money we are spending on another Henderson, Downing, Carroll "safety" type player.

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:... Was Torres as prolific at Athleti as he was for us? Were there not calls for Sturridge to be part of the transfer that sent Torres to Chelski?

Torres was probably one of Rafa's biggest risks that worked. Some times they do, some times they don't (Aqualani and Keane). This proves my point, we need to be taking more risks to catch-up to the likes of the top 4. We are getting no where signing "safety" players the Brendan feels comfortable working with. Eventually we will end up with a squad full of these players THAT WON'T TAKE US ANYWHERE.

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:Please grow some balls and go and support chelski or city if you want instant success. Instant noodles, instant pornography and instant orgasms seem to be fueling your brain.

How are we going to buy "instant" success with the budget we have compared to City or Chelsea's? If I wanted instant success I would have swapped my allegiance A LONG TIME AGO to likes of Manure of Chelsea. I have been supporting LIVERPOOL probably longer than the time your father released those tiny swimmers that created you sonny jim, so please s**t the f**k up before trying to school me on what "support" is.

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:Since when are Sahin, Assaidi and Yesil players he's been involved with?

Since when have Sahin, Assaidi or Yesil formed part of our main XI. A redundant argument as I pointed out before. WOW let's all look at the players outside his network THAT HAVEN'T F**KING FEATURED AT ALL THIS SEASON.

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:All these are to me quite brave efforts by BR.

Yeah it takes a lot of bravery and effort to sign a player and then not play them. :no

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:On the flip side is all these young talented foreign players often struggle to hit the ground running in the premier league and that is exactly what's happening here.

How do you actually know that when you haven't seen them play much? What about all the young talented foreign players that don't actually struggle?

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:For every Suarez, there are dozens of others who will fail to adapt to premier league.

So you can statistically prove that for every 13 foreign players, one will adapt the other 12 will fail. What f**king horse s**t. I am really laughing now

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:Heck even the likes of Shevchenko and Veron, who are experienced world class talents failed to adapt to the premier league.

Where they "young" foreign players? When did your criteria move? It what universe would we be signing the quality of Shevchenko and Veron for 12 million? You are just randomly giving me names of quality players that failed to make a mark. I really don't know what point you are trying to make

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 am wrote:There is clearly a directive from the owners regarding the profile of players for transfers after the amount of fortune we have squandered under Kenny and Commoli and a reasonable fan understands that under such circumstances if BR would go for talents who he is familiar with. If anything, I lay the blame on the owners. The failure to increase the offer for Dempsey shows that BR has to work within the owner's constraints and could not simply buy the players he wish. So like I said, give him time and judge him after at least one more season.

Yeah the directive is pretty clear it looks like we don't have much money to spend after the royal f**k-ups of last season. I amazed that you are able to see that Kenny squandered money on the likes of Downing, Adam, Henderson and Caroll. Yet
when it comes to the Brendan's signings we don't hear the same "impartial" views. I would say that up until this point not one of his signings has stood out and Sturridge will be more money lost and take us no where.

Not signing Dempsey was a blessing in disguise. He shouldn't be anywhere near our club, as he ain't good enough. Another one hit wonder just like Charlie Adam.

I as a fan, am allowed to comment on where we are so far and it ain't pretty. Rodgers has my full support, I don't want him to leave but I really want him to start bringing in some more calculated risks that can turn our fortunes around. Not spending our limited budget on players in his comfort zone.

Like I said name one player which you have failed to do so... until then shut up and go and suck your mommies titties...

Another sad one f**king liner, do f**k off mate your intelligence is wanted over on the Soccernet boards. Mommies titties, is that the best you have got? Are you six years old or mentally retarded? :wwww

by **stmichael** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:31 pm

with regards to his tactics today, i can't think of a single one he got wrong :oops:

by **eds** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:32 pm

maguskwt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:21 pm wrote:Let's see which worms will crawl back under the log after we win today...

Calling another fans worms will surely endear you around here.

Keep up the great work mommies titties.....hahaha

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