Liverpool FC Forum

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:29 pm wrote:

jacdaniel » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:00 pm wrote:I cant really blame BR for anything so far.  I don't think he had any say in Kuyt, Bellamy or Maxi leaving.  And I don't think it was his choice not to replace Carroll. 

We've been playing nice football and dominating most matches.  But lets face it, we're practically fielding a team of kids these days and we can't expect too much from them too soon.

The ball is in the owners court at the moment.  They're either gonna back BR with funds over the next 2 windows or else we'll have to wait a few seasons for the squad to mature.

Changing manager again won't achieve anything.

i actually think changing manager would achieve something if that manager was rafael benitez but rodgers deserves more of a chance to put his stamp on the team than one half @rsed transfer window in which the owners kept their hands tightly on the purse strings.
to be fair to him rodgers isnt able to field a side of his own signings and until he can do that it`s probably a bit unfair to judge him.
saying that i dont think he`s made the most of the resources at his disposal, if benitez was given the job in the summer i dont think we would have seen the farce we saw at the end of the transfer window so we wouldnt have a striker crisis, we wouldnt be 2 points off 4th to bottom and i dont think we would have conceded nearly 30 goals by early november either.
i think benitez could have done a lot with a strike force of suarez, carroll and and £10m million to spend on another forward, not to mention another £15m to spend on a centre mid (although to be fair to rodgers i think allen is a cracking player)

Big Rafa fan myself but I just can't see us taking him back.  Was definitely a disaster to sack him when we did.

All well and good saying that St Mike but other teams ahead of us can point to points dropped undeservedly and near misses.

We've been on the end of some poor decisions and we're our own worst enemies when it comes to finishing but we are where we are in the league and I think mid table is a fair reflection of the strength of our squad these days.

stmichael » Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:16 pm wrote:

7_Kewell » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:30 pm wrote:I'm content at the moment.  We've been unlucky in a few matches and, if we had beaten Evertone and Man City, like we should have, we'd currently be sitting on 15 points - level with Arsenal.

We need to stay in touch with the race for 4th and we're doing that in my view.  Six points isn't much and i'm certain that the signing of a new striker and winger is all we'll need to challenge for that CL spot.

If Suarez's derby 'goal' is allowed and Shelvey scores his chance yesterday we're two points of 4th & the moaners are doing cartwheels

all if`s and buts mate, everton were the better side in the derby and newcastle could have easily scored on the break themselves.
you could just as easily say if that reading player puts away that one on one against jones then we`d be looking at 1 win in 10 now.
even that city game, yeah we were unlucky in some respects but lets face it dzeko fired a great chance to win it over the bar with about 5 minutes to go, his miss was as bad as shelveys.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb, you're going a bit OTT. You need to get some prespective and quickly.

Boxscarf » Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:26 pm wrote:ycsatbjywtbiastkamb, you're going a bit OTT. You need to get some prespective and quickly.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb -   go have a speed w@nk mate, relieve that frustration.

I don't understand him, he didn't react like this earlier this year when we were going match after match without the right results playing poor football, yet we're having mixed results playing some good, wholesome football and he's smashing his head against the panic button. I don't understand it, then again he's probably still upset about Kenny being sacked and has taken an immediate dislike to Rodgers, who knows...

Boxscarf » Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:26 pm wrote:ycsatbjywtbiastkamb, you're going a bit OTT. You need to get some prespective and quickly.

2 wins in 10 is relegation form mate, we have had our worst start in over a century and we have a manager in charge that has had 1 years experience of managing in the top flight.
i want to know how everyone is so convinced that this is going to work out right?
what has he done in the past to say he is a top manager? got swansea up through the play off`s behind lambert and warnock?

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:36 pm wrote:
2 wins in 10 is relegation form mate, we have had our worst start in over a century and we have a manager in charge that has had 1 years experience of managing in the top flight.
i want to know how everyone is so convinced that this is going to work out right?
what has he done in the past to say he is a top manager? got swansea up through the play off`s behind lambert and warnock?

I always give the new manager time, support and patience. Yes we haven't started brilliantly, but our poor position isn't just down to him, FSG must shoulder responsibility.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:36 pm wrote:

Boxscarf » Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:26 pm wrote:ycsatbjywtbiastkamb, you're going a bit OTT. You need to get some prespective and quickly.

2 wins in 10 is relegation form mate, we have had our worst start in over a century and we have a manager in charge that has had 1 years experience of managing in the top flight.
i want to know how everyone is so convinced that this is going to work out right?
what has he done in the past to say he is a top manager? got swansea up through the play off`s behind lambert and warnock?

Game set match.

Boxscarf » Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:44 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:36 pm wrote:
2 wins in 10 is relegation form mate, we have had our worst start in over a century and we have a manager in charge that has had 1 years experience of managing in the top flight.
i want to know how everyone is so convinced that this is going to work out right?
what has he done in the past to say he is a top manager? got swansea up through the play off`s behind lambert and warnock?

I always give the new manager time, support and patience. Yes we haven't started brilliantly, but our poor position isn't just down to him, FSG must shoulder responsibility.

i think his personality and the fact he talks a good game may be blinding a few of us from reality.
if he looked and spoke like hodgson a lot of fans would be going nuts now. people jumped over every little mistake hodgson made but overlook the clangers this fella has dropped since he practically walked in the door starting with the way he handled andy carroll.
imagine roy was in charge when that carry on during the transfer window happened?
roy puts out a team of young players like ince, wilson and ecclestone against northampton and everyone goes nuts when we lose, when rodgers does the same thing everyone pats him on the back.
lets face it 2 wins in ten is abysmal form. especially when you have got the likes of suarez, agger, sahin, skrtel, lucas, johnson etc in your squad, tony pulis could probably do better than that if you gave him those players.
at the end of the day he has been managing 4 years and only 1 of them was in the top flight and there is nothing in his CV that suggests he is going to be a success here.
i hear what you say about FSG and i`m not their biggest fan but at the end of the day they gave him £25m to spend in the summer. it`s not a huge amount but it`s more than a lot of managers got. and to be fair to FSG they gave him £10m to bring in a striker.
i like the way we have a go at teams under rodgers and he does make ballsy decisions but i think this could be a case of the emperors new clothes. because he talks a good game, plays 4-3-3 and mentions barcelona a few times people seem convinced he cant fail.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:29 pm wrote:

jacdaniel » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:00 pm wrote:I cant really blame BR for anything so far.  I don't think he had any say in Kuyt, Bellamy or Maxi leaving.  And I don't think it was his choice not to replace Carroll. 

We've been playing nice football and dominating most matches.  But lets face it, we're practically fielding a team of kids these days and we can't expect too much from them too soon.

The ball is in the owners court at the moment.  They're either gonna back BR with funds over the next 2 windows or else we'll have to wait a few seasons for the squad to mature.

Changing manager again won't achieve anything.

i actually think changing manager would achieve something if that manager was rafael benitez but rodgers deserves more of a chance to put his stamp on the team than one half @rsed transfer window in which the owners kept their hands tightly on the purse strings.
to be fair to him rodgers isnt able to field a side of his own signings and until he can do that it`s probably a bit unfair to judge him.
saying that i dont think he`s made the most of the resources at his disposal, if benitez was given the job in the summer i dont think we would have seen the farce we saw at the end of the transfer window so we wouldnt have a striker crisis, we wouldnt be 2 points off 4th to bottom and i dont think we would have conceded nearly 30 goals by early november either.
i think benitez could have done a lot with a strike force of suarez, carroll and and £10m million to spend on another forward, not to mention another £15m to spend on a centre mid (although to be fair to rodgers i think allen is a cracking player)

bring back Rafa? 

Oh yeah that fella Rafa was a joke    He is the best manager we have had in over 20 years.

7_Kewell » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:01 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:29 pm wrote:

jacdaniel » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:00 pm wrote:I cant really blame BR for anything so far.  I don't think he had any say in Kuyt, Bellamy or Maxi leaving.  And I don't think it was his choice not to replace Carroll. 

We've been playing nice football and dominating most matches.  But lets face it, we're practically fielding a team of kids these days and we can't expect too much from them too soon.

The ball is in the owners court at the moment.  They're either gonna back BR with funds over the next 2 windows or else we'll have to wait a few seasons for the squad to mature.

Changing manager again won't achieve anything.

i actually think changing manager would achieve something if that manager was rafael benitez but rodgers deserves more of a chance to put his stamp on the team than one half @rsed transfer window in which the owners kept their hands tightly on the purse strings.
to be fair to him rodgers isnt able to field a side of his own signings and until he can do that it`s probably a bit unfair to judge him.
saying that i dont think he`s made the most of the resources at his disposal, if benitez was given the job in the summer i dont think we would have seen the farce we saw at the end of the transfer window so we wouldnt have a striker crisis, we wouldnt be 2 points off 4th to bottom and i dont think we would have conceded nearly 30 goals by early november either.
i think benitez could have done a lot with a strike force of suarez, carroll and and £10m million to spend on another forward, not to mention another £15m to spend on a centre mid (although to be fair to rodgers i think allen is a cracking player)

bring back Rafa? 

yeah, that fella who got us to two CL finals and another epic semi final (that we narrowly lost) in 6 years.
that fella who sent the likes of barcelona, real madrid, juventus, inter milan, A.C milan, marseilles, arsenal, chelsea, PSV etc packing in the CL.
that fella who narrowly lost the title to a united team with a front line of christiano ronaldo, carlos tevez and wayne rooney, and although we lost the title to them that season it didnt stop us beating them 2-1 at anfield and 4-1 at old trafford.
rafa didnt need the riches of solomon to compete with the mourinho`s, guardiola`s and fergusons of this world, it didnt matter to him that they had far more money and resources than him, it didnt matter that they held all the ace`s, all rafa needed was a club that was competative and his note book and pen.
rafa had us standing toe to toe with the biggest clubs on the planet, every team in europe dreaded drawing us in europe, and just like most of the great hero`s in history he was stabbed in the back. brought down from within by a trojan horse.
laughable that anyone should want him back 

The Raven » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:21 pm wrote:

Game set match.

Rafa Benitez didn't exactly have an amazing record as a manager prior to his employment with Valencia. Yet he became one of their best managers and he achieved great things with us.

Who is to say that Brendan won't be successful here? Jose Mourinho says Rodgers is a good manager and Mourinho is the best manager in football, so that speaks volumes of Rodgers.

We have one of the most sought after young managers in the modern game ,we're playing football the way it should be played ... I honestly don't think I have
seen a Liverpool team so willing to accept the ball ,virtually every player looks comfortable in possession ,we're slowly clawing our way up the table and a
couple of  wins would see us challenging for the much coveted 4th spot ... Some exceptionally talented young kids coming through and we have played most of the big teams off the proverbial park albeit from Arsenal  ,and before the Newcastle game Suarez had comfortably had the most shots on goal of all Premier strikers .

All that taken into account we're easily one of the most exciting teams going forward ....I mean we were constantly being told by the Bitters how much better
they were ,and how poor we had become ,yet but for a glaring error of judgement from Jones and a very dubious refereeing decision we almost took all the points.

So all of a sudden the Bitters were rendered silent once more .Rodgers made that change happen with some extremely imaginative changes of personnel
,because we were being overrun in midfield and the launched balls up to Fellaini (who incidentally bullied Uniteds midfield  to bits ) were negated by changing to three at the back and bringing Coates on... Moyes was flummoxed to the extent of allowing Liverpool the space to force the play in the last 10 minutes which nearly resulted in taking all the spoils ....

We murdered United and if we had pockets roomy enough to afford a referee we would have won ,we blew City off the park and should have had a hatful ,
when only a defensive error from Skrtel allowed them to get back in the game ...  As for Newcastle we dominated from start to finish and Pardew actually
believed prior to this game that his side were the ones  playing decent passing football ,Shelvey should have had a brace ,and Sterling ripped their back
four to shreds with his pace ......Oh, and we have the most exciting player in England in the mercurial magical Suarez ,who incidentally is one goal behind
United's Dutchman who heads the top scorers chart .

Yet still people moan