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Sigurdsson hasn't been that good this year.  I highly doubt we would've signed Allen if Sig came, so I'm glad he didn't.  Dempsey hasn't done much either.  He's scored I think 2 or 3 goals this year, and they've all been empty net tap-ins.  I guess that's somewhat what we need, somebody to get into those positions and knock it in, but ability and talent-wise Allen's a mile better than both.

Allen is way overhyped. A good passer and distributor i'll admit, but we had limited money, scored no goals last season and went ahead and spent 15 million
on someone who scores no goals, practically no assists and passes sideways the entire game.

Penguins » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:06 am wrote:Allen is way overhyped. A good passer and distributor i'll admit, but we had limited money, scored no goals last season and went ahead and spent 15 million
on someone who scores no goals, practically no assists and passes sideways the entire game.

You are one negative blurt who talks c.rap!

Penguins » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:06 am wrote:Allen is way overhyped. A good passer and distributor i'll admit, but we had limited money, scored no goals last season and went ahead and spent 15 million
on someone who scores no goals, practically no assists and passes sideways the entire game.

Penguins » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:06 am wrote:Allen is way overhyped. A good passer and distributor i'll admit, but we had limited money, scored no goals last season and went ahead and spent 15 million
on someone who scores no goals, practically no assists and passes sideways the entire game.

Oh dear

He's right, as a player he's not worth 15m, but he's fundamental for our style of play to work so his price isn't important.

kazza » Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:35 am wrote:

Penguins » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:06 am wrote:Allen is way overhyped. A good passer and distributor i'll admit, but we had limited money, scored no goals last season and went ahead and spent 15 million
on someone who scores no goals, practically no assists and passes sideways the entire game.

Comletely agree with you. Many folks will read this type of comment as being negative. The facts remain, he is NOT a threat to the oposition and is well over-rated due to the  so called 'Spanish' style he plays.  Comparisons to Iniesta put this boy on the radar but it is a ludicrus comparison. Most opposite managers when coming to Anfield will be saying to their players,
"when Allen gets the ball, just drop of and let him play, becasue he is playing by himself and is not hurting us."
Anytime the boy tries to play a penetrative pass, our play breaks down.

I'm pretty confident that if on the pitch, I too could pass it to a red shirt - what's that all about? Does this make me a top football player 

Gerrard at the age that he is - is a far more greater threat to the opposition than Allen will ever be!
The future of LFC's midfield rests on the shoulders of JONJO, who is CLASS - strong, loves to go forward, wants to hurt the opposition - not allen.
IMO of course 

ethanr » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:16 am wrote:Sigurdsson hasn't been that good this year.  I highly doubt we would've signed Allen if Sig came, so I'm glad he didn't.  Dempsey hasn't done much either.  He's scored I think 2 or 3 goals this year, and they've all been empty net tap-ins.  I guess that's somewhat what we need, somebody to get into those positions and knock it in, but ability and talent-wise Allen's a mile better than both.

Ian Rush used to score 90% of his goals in the six yard box - this is a priceless skill.
Not that I am a Dempsey fan - however we all know we could have got him. 2-3 goals in our favour this season could of meant a further 6-9 points just based on draws alone so for - which would have made our position in the PL look very healthy and an investment worth while?
We could of still gone out and get a more younger, hungrier forward in January anyway.

the lone wolf » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:04 pm wrote:

ethanr » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:16 am wrote:Sigurdsson hasn't been that good this year.  I highly doubt we would've signed Allen if Sig came, so I'm glad he didn't.  Dempsey hasn't done much either.  He's scored I think 2 or 3 goals this year, and they've all been empty net tap-ins.  I guess that's somewhat what we need, somebody to get into those positions and knock it in, but ability and talent-wise Allen's a mile better than both.

Ian Rush used to score 90% of his goals in the six yard box - this is a priceless skill.
Not that I am a Dempsey fan - however we all know we could have got him. 2-3 goals in our favour this season could of meant a further 6-9 points just based on draws alone so for - which would have made our position in the PL look very healthy and an investment worth while?
We could of still gone out and get a more younger, hungrier forward in January anyway.

the thing was with the Dempsey deal is that it was done, he was on the M6 on his way up when he was told to turn the car around as Spurs put a better price in, the club did not know it was going to happen, he was booked in with our docs and everything was set up for him. I feel that no matter what we put in his club did not wish to sell him to us and thats why they carried on talking to spurs even once they agreed a deal with us.

lakes10 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:21 pm wrote:

the lone wolf » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:04 pm wrote:

ethanr » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:16 am wrote:Sigurdsson hasn't been that good this year.  I highly doubt we would've signed Allen if Sig came, so I'm glad he didn't.  Dempsey hasn't done much either.  He's scored I think 2 or 3 goals this year, and they've all been empty net tap-ins.  I guess that's somewhat what we need, somebody to get into those positions and knock it in, but ability and talent-wise Allen's a mile better than both.

Ian Rush used to score 90% of his goals in the six yard box - this is a priceless skill.
Not that I am a Dempsey fan - however we all know we could have got him. 2-3 goals in our favour this season could of meant a further 6-9 points just based on draws alone so for - which would have made our position in the PL look very healthy and an investment worth while?
We could of still gone out and get a more younger, hungrier forward in January anyway.

the thing was with the Dempsey deal is that it was done, he was on the M6 on his way up when he was told to turn the car around as Spurs put a better price in, the club did not know it was going to happen, he was booked in with our docs and everything was set up for him. I feel that no matter what we put in his club did not wish to sell him to us and thats why they carried on talking to spurs even once they agreed a deal with us.

Business is business.

yeah in hindsite i really dont think dempsey would have added much.........he aint a striker really, where would he have played? he doesnt have the skill to play in a wide right or wide left role

where would he have played?

the lone wolf » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:00 pm wrote:

kazza » Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:35 am wrote:

Penguins » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:06 am wrote:Allen is way overhyped. A good passer and distributor i'll admit, but we had limited money, scored no goals last season and went ahead and spent 15 million
on someone who scores no goals, practically no assists and passes sideways the entire game.

Comletely agree with you. Many folks will read this type of comment as being negative. The facts remain, he is NOT a threat to the oposition and is well over-rated due to the  so called 'Spanish' style he plays.  Comparisons to Iniesta put this boy on the radar but it is a ludicrus comparison. Most opposite managers when coming to Anfield will be saying to their players,
"when Allen gets the ball, just drop of and let him play, becasue he is playing by himself and is not hurting us."
Anytime the boy tries to play a penetrative pass, our play breaks down.

I'm pretty confident that if on the pitch, I too could pass it to a red shirt - what's that all about? Does this make me a top football player 

Gerrard at the age that he is - is a far more greater threat to the opposition than Allen will ever be!
The future of LFC's midfield rests on the shoulders of JONJO, who is CLASS - strong, loves to go forward, wants to hurt the opposition - not allen.
IMO of course 

allen's work rate is 2nd to none and what he provides for us is the link between defence and midfield. he is not a creative player and he wasnt brought here to be one either. what he does is nips in and breaks up play and actually does it tidily unlike lucas.his composure is excellent under pressure and he is always moving into positions looking for a pass and for that reason i think lucas will find it hard to win back his starting slot.
slightly overpriced at 15mil but nonetheless a good signing.
the fact that we chose to spend the bulk of our budget on him is no ones fault but the managers. he knew our downfall before he came here and chose to address that with a defensive mid and a youth striker.
for me though he has been one of our most consistent players so far and often a contender for motm.

Comletely agree with you. Many folks will read this type of comment as being negative. The facts remain, he is NOT a threat to the oposition and is well over-rated due to the  so called 'Spanish' style he plays.  Comparisons to Iniesta put this boy on the radar but it is a ludicrus comparison. Most opposite managers when coming to Anfield will be saying to their players,
"when Allen gets the ball, just drop of and let him play, becasue he is playing by himself and is not hurting us."
Anytime the boy tries to play a penetrative pass, our play breaks down.

I'm pretty confident that if on the pitch, I too could pass it to a red shirt - what's that all about? Does this make me a top football player 

Gerrard at the age that he is - is a far more greater threat to the opposition than Allen will ever be!
The future of LFC's midfield rests on the shoulders of JONJO, who is CLASS - strong, loves to go forward, wants to hurt the opposition - not allen.
IMO of course  [/quote]

allen's work rate is 2nd to none and what he provides for us is the link between defence and midfield. he is not a creative player and he wasnt brought here to be one either. what he does is nips in and breaks up play and actually does it tidily unlike lucas.his composure is excellent under pressure and he is always moving into positions looking for a pass and for that reason i think lucas will find it hard to win back his starting slot.
slightly overpriced at 15mil but nonetheless a good signing.
the fact that we chose to spend the bulk of our budget on him is no ones fault but the managers. he knew our downfall before he came here and chose to address that with a defensive mid and a youth striker.
for me though he has been one of our most consistent players so far and often a contender for motm.[/quote]

You make a great case for Allen. But like you conclude; did we really need to spend that much on a player who's position wasn't a priority?
The only reason why Allen is ahead in the pecking order is because he is a favourite of the manager, who the manager trusts to do a job, what that is only BR can tell me? Keeping possesion in the middle of the park, boring teams to death will not work. PL opponents are mentally too strong for that nowadays; let alone the CL where Allen will be left chasing shadows; providing this squad can get there of course.

IMO, Jay Spearing (Remember that kid who came on against Real Madrid in the 2nd half when we were 5 to the good? He didn't look at of place did he?) could have been moulded into this type of player and would have saved us a lot in the market. 

Honestly, Allen; Good for his age, but he just aint that great a player.

its strange we go from Aquilani who didnt have the denfensive side but its a big but he always passed it forward was always on the front foot looking for that cutting edge pass. Whereas Allen looks really accomplished at tidying up breaking up play but doesnt seem to have that cutting edge pass. What we need is a clone of both of them to make the ideal midfielder.

redalltheway36 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:34 pm wrote:its strange we go from Aquilani who didnt have the denfensive side but its a big but he always passed it forward was always on the front foot looking for that cutting edge pass. Whereas Allen looks really accomplished at tidying up breaking up play but doesnt seem to have that cutting edge pass. What we need is a clone of both of them to make the ideal midfielder.

allen is doing fine, he doesnt need to change his game, he is doing his job well.
it`s other players who have to step up to the plate.