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by **The Raven** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:49 am

The Raven » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:44 am wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:41 pm wrote:
The Raven » Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:32 pm wrote:Have any of the players or br said sorry to the traveling fans yet?

it was a poor performance but it wasnt quite that bad mate! it wasnt bad enough to warrant a public apology.
losing the first game of the season (especially to west brom) has taken the wind out of all our sails but lets keep a bit of perspective.

Thats as bad as anything from last season, Ive seen players say sorry for letting the fans down for alot less.

Downing was shocking, i would have feed him to the press.

I hope Bren rips them a new one!

by **parchpea** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:38 am

Not a fan of protecting players in public interviews to be honest.

If its poor then its acceptable to me to slam them as a collective
at the very least and fans need that kind of feedback, nothing
more annoying than to hear they gave everything when its clear
they didnt and you just watched them getting tonked.

Players should be man enough and are certainly paid plenty to
be torn off a strip in front of the media and then get on with their
jobs afterwards.

by **Penguins** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:45 pm

What I am mostly dissapointed in is his decision to still play Carra and Cole.
So damn weak of him I question his character for doing so.
What does he see in them that the rest of the world don't?
Weak... :no

by **tubby** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:52 pm

TBF he brought them on as subs, wasn't like he started with them.

by **the lone wolf** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:59 pm

Sorry to say, but BR just isn't capable of carrying out the kind of decision making that most of us are asking for...

by **the lone wolf** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:00 pm

Penguins » Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:08 pm wrote:Problem is we pay top dollar for grafters in the middle and not anything on creative ones.
We have noone in the middle who can create, make deft passes etc etc. Just alot of running around chasing the ball and play 2-3 yard passes sideways.

Agree

by **the lone wolf** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:02 pm

only me » Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:58 pm wrote:I'm still looking for our anchor this season ,typically it would be Gerrard but as time passes it seems our warrior has run out of energy. So who will it be? who would carry the team on his shoulders? I yet to see one.

There isn't one. Suarez is our talisman for now but for how long only time will tell.

by **the lone wolf** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:07 pm

stmichael » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:09 pm wrote:basically we're skint and we'll have to sell to buy which sums up where we are at the moment. if we're going to get rid of carroll we need to get it done so we can replace him. leaving it till deadline day is of no use to us whatsoever.

Sell Carroll to buy who?
Better the devil you know. Just like KK use to say - we've bought him for 5 seasons, not 5 games. BR should be working to get the best out of what he's got.
RB - once took a squad in worse shape than this one (albeit with a much younger SG) and won the CL in the 1st year of NOT asking.

Our expectation are too high for the manager we have in place - somethings got to give, but which way wil it go?

by **the lone wolf** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:09 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:35 pm wrote:
celtic-red! » Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:24 pm wrote:
stmichael » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:09 pm wrote:basically we're skint and we'll have to sell to buy which sums up where we are at the moment. if we're going to get rid of carroll we need to get it done so we can replace him. leaving it till deadline day is of no use to us whatsoever.

but its out of our hands. You cant just sell someone when you like.

A club has to make a suitable offer first. I dont think BR will be able to sell any of the garbage!

Nobody wants these players.

west ham put in a £17m bid for carroll but he wants to stay and prove to the manager that he`s good enough to play for this club.
pity a few others dont show the same attitude as andy.

Agreed - we need more players like Carroll not get rid and have less!

by **the lone wolf** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:19 pm

maguskwt » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:13 am wrote:Obviously, BR's philosophy of football is yet to be fully realized and developed among the players. The problem with this more expansive style of football is that it looks nice to watch when everything is clicking. But if everything is not clicking like it's supposed to like yesterday, you can get really really exposed defensively. West Brom were having there way with our defense in the 2nd half. It was just too easy for them. We shouldn't be too alarmed about it yet since it is early days. When the mancs lose they lose terribly as well losing by 3-0, 4-0, 5-0. I am concerned though, whether the owners will support BR fully. We probably need 2 more players who can play the way rodger wants. I thought that downing was terrible yesterday... So we need a wide player...

MMMM... The type of player BR wants - E.G Iniesta?
Not having a pop, but I reiterate - Rafa fisrt came in, made a bit of money from selling D Murphy and brought in Xabi - the owners then backed with a few LO-KEY signings. He was then left to play with the squad he had... The rest is history.

As for playing style - again Rafa did things SLOWLY, working from the defence through to the attack - basically making the team hard to beat first of all, then seeing what can happen tactically in the last 3rd. Rafa never made suggestions re; style - as this only puts great pressure on the current players at the club.

Getting a squad to gel and play a certain style takes seasons - not games and BR has been a little nieve in thinking he can.

by **Kenny Kan** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:21 pm

the lone wolf » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:02 pm wrote:
only me » Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:58 pm wrote:I'm still looking for our anchor this season ,typically it would be Gerrard but as time passes it seems our warrior has run out of energy. So who will it be? who would carry the team on his shoulders? I yet to see one.

There isn't one. Suarez is our talisman for now but for how long only time will tell.

People need to get this s.hit out of their thick f.ucking heads, football isn't about 'Roy of the Rovers' type players, that's a bonus! We've had that bonus for over a decade now and have taken it for granted (as some of our managers have). Fundamentally the game is about 11 blokes pulling together as a team, it's time people realize this, instead of expecting the next 'Gerrard' to come along. Worry about a core, the spine of the team - not one bloke who has to lump it all on his shoulders and carry the team for the next decade.

by **the lone wolf** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:22 pm

Reg » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:34 am wrote:Difficult to stomach that result however its the first game in a period of change so these things will happen.

All I ask is the manager does not blame the ref, defend our players when they were obviously at falut or deny the obvious. Lets turn the corner and call a spade a spade.

But if he's from the skool of Sir, then he won't change and a spade will be called a garden ploughing device when its suits.

by **friendlyguy33** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:25 pm

I suspect there are going to be huge questions asked of the owners in the next few weeks if things go from bad to worse.

I'm not saying that Kenny would have definitely turned things around but even with the league decline last season two cup finals were still reached and the likes of Carroll became much better as the season finished.

Kenny believed that he could turn the league form around we'll never know that would have happened but the element of continuity that Kenny was beginning to build even if the league form didn't deliver has now gone back to square one with Rodgers coming in. With Henderson and Carroll not making the starting eleven and the likes of Borini and Allen struggling to really much of an impact yesterday it seems to me that we're back to square one again.

What I'm saying is that even if Kenny wasn't the right choice long term surely it might have been better to have given him another year to improve things so that he could have walked away at the end of the third year with the team genuinely challenging again for the top four. That would have enabled someone like Rodgers to put into practice his ideas with a team that was going places.

I feel that by appearing to panic and ditch Kenny after one season the owners effectively have now set themselves up for another back me/sack me situation with Rodgers. It's still very early in the season but the fixtures in the next few weeks are difficult to say the least. Are they going to be brave enough to stick with him come what may if things do get worse?

The next two games against City and Sunderland to my mind could well decide the season they're that critical as I see it.

by **the lone wolf** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:29 pm

Raoul » Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:08 am wrote:
Reg » Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:34 am wrote:Difficult to stomach that result however its the first game in a period of change so these things will happen.

All I ask is the manager does not blame the ref, defend our players when they were obviously at falut or deny the obvious. Lets turn the corner and call a spade a spade.

My suspicion (and I could be wrong) is that what Rodgers says to the press on Saturday and what he says to the players on Monday ain't the same thing.

Agreed - which is great providing we see an improvement in attitude and quick. Man City next Sunday after a mediocure affiar up in Scotland this coming Thursday is going to be very difficult indeed. This is what he gets paid for, so we'll see.

IMO - BR out of his depth - the owners can no longer turn to KK - that only leaves Rafa to repair the damage that has been done and will only decay further - IMO
Not sitting on the fence on this one.

by **the lone wolf** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:36 pm

friendlyguy33 » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:25 pm wrote:I suspect there are going to be huge questions asked of the owners in the next few weeks if things go from bad to worse.

I'm not saying that Kenny would have definitely turned things around but even with the league decline last season two cup finals were still reached and the likes of Carroll became much better as the season finished.

Kenny believed that he could turn the league form around we'll never know that would have happened but the element of continuity that Kenny was beginning to build even if the league form didn't deliver has now gone back to square one with Rodgers coming in. With Henderson and Carroll not making the starting eleven and the likes of Borini and Allen struggling to really much of an impact yesterday it seems to me that we're back to square one again.

What I'm saying is that even if Kenny wasn't the right choice long term surely it might have been better to have given him another year to improve things so that he could have walked away at the end of the third year with the team genuinely challenging again for the top four. That would have enabled someone like Rodgers to put into practice his ideas with a team that was going places.

I feel that by appearing to panic and ditch Kenny after one season the owners effectively have now set themselves up for another back me/sack me situation with Rodgers. It's still very early in the season but the fixtures in the next few weeks are difficult to say the least. Are they going to be brave enough to stick with him come what may if things do get worse?

The next two games against City and Sunderland to my mind could well decide the season they're that critical as I see it.

Agreed - continuety is the only way forward in football and it takes brave football club owners to relise this. KK was on his journey having turned average players into winners in their 1st season - something that Arsene has failed to do with an even better team consistently, yet he still finds himself in a job because of CL qualification?

I jsut hope all my fears are not realised and BR becomes our best manager in 25 years... Mmmm - that's a lot of hope?

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