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by **lakes10** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:29 pm

Well one post just says this#C ripped into P about the first goal and B ripped into K about late subs and things got smashed#
Sounds very untrue to me.

by **metalhead** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:30 pm

whose C P K and B?

by **lakes10** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:39 pm

metalhead wrote:whose C P K and B?

they might have meant to.KGB mfi KFC and b&q lol

by **Greavesie** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:40 pm

lakes10 wrote:
metalhead wrote:what about this rumor on Kenny having a bust up with the players after the match? its going rounds on twatter

wtf

Twitter has been full of stuff since the end of the game.dont know what's true and what's not right now.

we got beat

by **friendlyguy33** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:41 pm

Kerry07 wrote:
friendlyguy33 wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:If the owners are deadly serious about last weeks win on pens against Cardiff as being "just the start".... then Jose Mourinho has to be top of their list.

That today from Dalglish has left me completely deflated about his management.
The awful subs (brings on Bellamy as late as the 88th minute)
The awful signings... adam, carroll (i get angry thinking about him), henderson.

We are no further forward than the day Rafa left us in June 2010 (except we have a worse team and are out about 60 million).

We can compare the teams then to now, we can compare the points then to now.. we are down on both.

When u spend 35milllion on a forward with no pedigree, you deserve to get hammered. The fact a player who cost 35m is no more than a fixture on the bench should be enough to send alarm bells ringing among the owners.

We spent a fortune on average british players. As far as im concerned that is sackable.

I have lost it with Kenny today. Doing nothing at 1-1 when we need a goal, and then putting on Bellamy in the 88th minute.. was bordering on lunacy. Say what u like about whiskey nose, but can u imagine him doing nothing for 88 minutes with his team 1-1 at home? It aint happening. He has the bottle to go for it, sacrifices defenders if needs be.

Mourinho would come to us i have no doubt (Ian McGarry has said as much).. there would be no bizarre tactics, no cr@p signings, no sitting back and watching the game pass u by then acting with 2 minutes normal time to go.

Mourinho is one of the most defensive managers in modern day football.

If you're hoping that his appointment would make the difference in terms of games like today I'm afraid you're in for a disappointment.

Mourinho's teams.

Two seasons at Porto most goals by a mile.

Chelsea 2004/05 72 goals - 2nd in the league
Chelsea 2005/06 72 goals - 1st in the league
Chelsea 2006/07 64 goals - 2nd in the league

Inter 2008/09 70 goals - 1st in the league
Inter 2009/10 75 goals - 1st in the league

Real Madrid 2010/11 102 goals - 1st in the league
Real Madrid 2011/12 80 goals - 1st in the league

Liverpool 2011/12 30 goals (in 26 games) - 12th in the league

Yes.. Mourinho's appointment would clearly disappoint me, and wouldn't be any different than today (and all season).

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/portugal/liga/2003-2004

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/portugal/liga/2002-2003/table

2003-2004 Porto scored 63 Benfica scored 62 hardly more by a mile.

2002-2003 Porto scored 73 Benfica scored 74.

Perhaps you could try doing your research a bit better before you make such strong statements about the past.

In terms of Chelsea I don't really think 64 goals in his last full english premiership season of 06-07 is much to write home about.

As for the general point I don't doubt that his teams do score goals but in terms of tactically changing games like the ones today are you really going to see Mourinho make the kind of changes that Dalglish and Benitez before him haven't made in the final minutes of games?

Mourinho doesn't stay long at any club more than 2/3 years is that what we really want? Is he the man to implement a long term strategy in terms of the academy etc.? I'm not sure he wants the job because of his past with Chelsea and the rivalry with Benitez/2005 etc.

by **Greavesie** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:43 pm

Maureen won't take a project such as this on, he'll go to a club in a good position to win the league before he gets there and then bugger off when he sees the wheels are gonna come off

by **Kerry07** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:51 pm

your opinion

I'm quoting Ian McGarry, a close friend of his.

To also sum up why he finds us appealing;

Porto - nothing in Europe for 2 decades... wins the UEFA Cup in 2003, Champions League in 2004
Chelsea - nothing in the league for 5 decades... wins back to back league titles
Inter - nothing in the European Cup for 4 decades.. wins the Champions League in 2010
Real Madrid - nothing in the league for 3 years (an eternity)..against arguably the best club team ever (whom he also hates).... almost certainly La Liga winners 2012

Liverpool - nothing in the league for 2 decades....

Mourinho goes to Man U.. big deal.. leagues galore before. Chelsea.. big deal..won it twice before. Spurs.. not big enough club. Arsenal..is Wenger.

Mourinho knows the support is massive, loves the atmosphere of Anfield,. "i felt the power" etc etc... he knows he would get tremendous acclaim here, and to win the league would give him godlike status (i dont give a damn what u think of him right now). The achievement would stand out just like the others. We have owners who gave Dalglish 100m... Mourinho would take that challenge.

by **friendlyguy33** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:57 pm

Kerry07 wrote:your opinion

I'm quoting Ian McGarry, a close friend of his.

To also sum up why he finds us appealing;

Porto - nothing in Europe for 2 decades... wins the UEFA Cup in 2003, Champions League in 2004
Chelsea - nothing in the league for 5 decades... wins back to back league titles
Inter - nothing in the European Cup for 4 decades.. wins the Champions League in 2010
Real Madrid - nothing in the league for 3 years (an eternity)..against arguably the best club team ever (whom he also hates).... almost certainly La Liga winners 2012

Liverpool - nothing in the league for 2 decades....

Mourinho goes to Man U.. big deal.. leagues galore before. Chelsea.. big deal..won it twice before. Spurs.. not big enough club. Arsenal..is Wenger.

Mourinho knows the support is massive, loves the atmosphere of Anfield,. "i felt the power" etc etc... he knows he would get tremendous acclaim here, and to win the league would give him godlike status (i dont give a damn what u think of him right now). The achievement would stand out just like the others. We have owners who gave Dalglish 100m... Mourinho would take that challenge.

You're entitled to your opinion. The trouble is you have to see the bigger picture being the long term one. I wonder if you'd be calling for Mourinho to step down this time next year if he did take over in the summer but only had about 40 points after 26 games a year from now.

by **Kerry07** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:59 pm

Mourinho wouldnt have 39 points after 26 games. Mourinho has never had.. 39 points after 26 games.

10 years of complete winning. He is a winner.

by **friendlyguy33** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:12 pm

Kerry07 wrote:Mourinho wouldnt have 39 points after 26 games. Mourinho has never had.. 39 points after 26 games.

10 years of complete winning. He is a winner.

La Liga has become a bit like Scotland in the last year or two only two sides capable of winning it. The squad at Inter was going downhill when he left hence Rafa's troubles there. In Mourinho's last season at Chelsea (07-08) he only won 3 out of the first 7 and he was sacked after they could only draw 1-1 at home to Rosenborg in Europe.

It's not guaranteed that he would win the title at Anfield. My point is that even if he only managed second or third would that be good enough for you?

I'd rather see where we finish this season before we make any decisions on KK and if we improve on last year spend again in the summer to build on this year. If there's no improvement under KK then in 2013 think about what to do next.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:23 pm

Kerry07 wrote:If the owners are deadly serious about last weeks win on pens against Cardiff as being "just the start".... then Jose Mourinho has to be top of their list.

That today from Dalglish has left me completely deflated about his management.
The awful subs (brings on Bellamy as late as the 88th minute)
The awful signings... adam, carroll (i get angry thinking about him), henderson.

We are no further forward than the day Rafa left us in June 2010 (except we have a worse team and are out about 60 million).

We can compare the teams then to now, we can compare the points then to now.. we are down on both.

When u spend 35milllion on a forward with no pedigree, you deserve to get hammered. The fact a player who cost 35m is no more than a fixture on the bench should be enough to send alarm bells ringing among the owners.

We spent a fortune on average british players. As far as im concerned that is sackable.

I have lost it with Kenny today. Doing nothing at 1-1 when we need a goal, and then putting on Bellamy in the 88th minute.. was bordering on lunacy. Say what u like about whiskey nose, but can u imagine him doing nothing for 88 minutes with his team 1-1 at home? It aint happening. He has the bottle to go for it, sacrifices defenders if needs be.

Mourinho would come to us i have no doubt (Ian McGarry has said as much).. there would be no bizarre tactics, no cr@p signings, no sitting back and watching the game pass u by then acting with 2 minutes normal time to go.

I have never asked for anyone to be carded or banned but enough is enough. Its clear your agenda is to cause trouble and set red against red.
To come on here and blatantly tell us that Kenny Dalglish should be sacked is a Fu*king disgrace! If I remember rightly werent people carded or banned for suggesting Rafa be sacked? What the fu'cks going on mods?
How can this cheeky cu'nt be allowed to spout this anti-liverpool propaganda on here freely. Its there for everyone to see in the style of writing and the constant chipping away that Kerry doesnt like us and is playing the "constructive criticism" card, while clearly undermining our manager, our team and our club. Kerry is a phoney. End of
KK has come in to a team and a club in total chaos and to talk of minimum expectations of CL is as ridiculous as it is unrealistic. With more luck and better application of course we would be higher, but to slate us, and especially KK off, demanding that he should be sacked shows what Kerry is all about.
Kerry do us all a favour and go and suck Mourinhos portugese bell and leave us alone you imposter.

by **Kerry07** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:31 pm

Wont take any of that little "rant" seriously.

Anti-Liverpool propaganda is condoning mediocrity.

When Kenny was appointed my biggest fear is that he would be nigh on untouchable. Hes King Kenny, arguably the clubs greatest ever player, then had 5 years of successful management, great leadership during the Hillsborough disaster.. etc etc...so any critique of him would be frowned upon. That is what has happened. I didnt live through that era so i dont have the emotional attachment/nostalgia etc. I appreciate what hes done before, but this is 2012.

If Roy Hodgson had signed Andy Carroll... imagine the abuse he would be receiving on forums, radio phone ins etc etc.

But as Kenny did, its different rules.

To have no criticism for a team that is 7th, 39pts from 26 games, 4 wins at home and its March, spent 100m, 70m on three british players, and are the 12th lowest goalscorers in the league with 30 goals in 26 games...to overlook that is anti-Liverpool.

by **friendlyguy33** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:47 pm

Kerry07 wrote:Wont take any of that little "rant" seriously.

Anti-Liverpool propaganda is condoning mediocrity.

When Kenny was appointed my biggest fear is that he would be nigh on untouchable. Hes King Kenny, arguably the clubs greatest ever player, then had 5 years of successful management, great leadership during the Hillsborough disaster.. etc etc...so any critique of him would be frowned upon. That is what has happened. I didnt live through that era so i dont have the emotional attachment/nostalgia etc. I appreciate what hes done before, but this is 2012.

If Roy Hodgson had signed Andy Carroll... imagine the abuse he would be receiving on forums, radio phone ins etc etc.

But as Kenny did, its different rules.

To have no criticism for a team that is 7th, 39pts from 26 games, 4 wins at home and its March, spent 100m, 70m on three british players, and are the 12th lowest goalscorers in the league with 30 goals in 26 games...to overlook that is anti-Liverpool.

Rafa's team in 05-06 only scored 32 goals in the first 25 games and were only on about 49 points in third because of more 1-0 wins thanks to a tighter defence (14 conceded). Did you call for Rafa to be sacked that season after 25 games?

I think your criticism of KK is being frowned upon not because of the past but because less than week ago he won a major trophy (the first in six years) and that until the end of the season it would be wrong to draw too many conclusions on the season.

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:47 pm

Kerry07 wrote:Wont take any of that little "rant" seriously.

Anti-Liverpool propaganda is condoning mediocrity.

When Kenny was appointed my biggest fear is that he would be nigh on untouchable. Hes King Kenny, arguably the clubs greatest ever player, then had 5 years of successful management, great leadership during the Hillsborough disaster.. etc etc...so any critique of him would be frowned upon. That is what has happened. I didnt live through that era so i dont have the emotional attachment/nostalgia etc. I appreciate what hes done before, but this is 2012.

If Roy Hodgson had signed Andy Carroll... imagine the abuse he would be receiving on forums, radio phone ins etc etc.

But as Kenny did, its different rules.

To have no criticism for a team that is 7th, 39pts from 26 games, 4 wins at home and its March, spent 100m, 70m on three british players, and are the 12th lowest goalscorers in the league with 30 goals in 26 games...to overlook that is anti-Liverpool.

kenny dalglish took over a side hovering above the relegation zone and a club almost in civil war, within a year he has won a trophy and while we may lack consistency we are a match for any side in the league on our day.
you are living in la la land if you think dalglish or any manager is going to turn things around in a year.
mourinho is the last manager i`d have at anfield, all that special one bollux is the antithesis of what this club is all about.

by **7_Kewell** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:52 pm

yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:you are living in la la land if you think dalglish or any manager is going to turn things around in a year.
mourinho is the last manager i`d have at anfield, all that special one bollux is the antithesis of what this club is all about.

the biggest bug bear is Kenny's signings...they're cr@p!

We haven't improved, instead we've gone backwards

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