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Penguins wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:Getting rid of Kenny is not an option, our style of play has been a vast improvement on last year, and we create lots of chances, bar the last game a Stoke. I have to admit that I am bemused by some of the selections, especially of late, for example the line up at Stoke and the players rested for the league only to play in the FA cup.

My main gripe with his methods are that he keeps persisting with 'his' players and ignores those who are performing such as Maxi, and even Kuyt who would still do a better job on the right than Downing. Also he should play them in their correct positions, Johnson on right back, Henderson in th middle, downing on the left.

The biggest up has been signing Carroll, the more I see of him, the clearer it is that he s a very poor excuse for a footballer, rubbish touch and zero athleticism, and to top it off a cr@p attitude; my feeling is tht he will never come good. The sooner Kenny takes the hit and gets rid the sooner we can start moving up the table.

Right now I totally agree.
But if this drivel will continue on for the rest of the season and Kenny persists with "his" buys then I'd put him on a short leash the coming season....

His "british revolution" is ancient thinking and the quicker he realizes his mistake the better off we are. If not we are ******.

7_Kewell wrote:To repeat, what i said earlier, Kenny shouldn't be sacked...he should, as i've said all season, be given until the summer. Then, if we're not in the top 4 then he has to go.

That's my view and that's why i've said i hope the board are considering a plan B...because finishing 7th isn't acceptable after 1.5 years in the job and spending 100+ million.

Excellent so we start all over again with another new manager and he gets how long ? A year ? Will he then get the boot if he isn't in the top 4 after a season ?

Do people realise how hard it is to break into the top 4 !!! 

People think you spend a 100 hundred million then it should be guarenteed !!! City spent 400 million to break into the top 4 as well as giving players 200 grand a week !!! Spurs have spent decades trying and just getting there .

It's not an overnight thing - it can take a number of years and people need to realise this and adjust their expectations . Our previous owners destroyed the club and dismantled it - we are having to build again and it's not going to happen quickly.

mistyred wrote:I think kenny is still stuck in the past a bit, his way of thinking is when Lfc where top of the pile a
majority of our players where British and where the best of the best.

Oh how football has changed.

Football has changed?
Lets see:
11 v 11 check
Pitch with two halves, goals at either end check
45 minutes each way plus added on time check
Play home or away check
Referee and two assistants Fu*king up check
Offside, penalties, free kicks, corners and throw ins check
Scoring one goal more than the opposition means a win check
FA still hypocritical gobsh'ites check
Manks still dirty cheating pr'icks check
Purple nose still a massive cu'nt check
Bitters still bitter check

Nothing much has changed as far as I can see

7_Kewell wrote:To repeat, what i said earlier, Kenny shouldn't be sacked...he should, as i've said all season, be given until the summer. Then, if we're not in the top 4 then he has to go.

That's my view and that's why i've said i hope the board are considering a plan B...because finishing 7th isn't acceptable after 1.5 years in the job and spending 100+ million.

devaney wrote:

jacdaniel wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:To repeat, what i said earlier, Kenny shouldn't be sacked...he should, as i've said all season, be given until the summer. Then, if we're not in the top 4 then he has to go.

That's my view and that's why i've said i hope the board are considering a plan B...because finishing 7th isn't acceptable after 1.5 years in the job and spending 100+ million.

Everyone seems to forget that we sold Torres, Babel, Meireles and konchesky which probably brought in 70M or so.  Not to mention sending all the deadwood on loan etc which saves money.  Our net spend isn't really that huge. 

Its also not 2004 anymore.  You cant just spend a bit of money like Chelsea did and instantly become a top team. 

City have spent close to half a billion and are only starting to look like a really strong team this year.  Kenny needs be given a lot more time and more money this summer.

In reality City have actually spent £500m net over the last few years and that includes some pre Abu Dhabi ownership signings. Kenny has actually spent less than £40m. You seem to be conveniently forgetting that Miereles,Babel and Torres were sold for nearly £70m.

Yes but he spent £35 million on Carroll!
That cancels everything out!!

devaney wrote:

jacdaniel wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:To repeat, what i said earlier, Kenny shouldn't be sacked...he should, as i've said all season, be given until the summer. Then, if we're not in the top 4 then he has to go.

That's my view and that's why i've said i hope the board are considering a plan B...because finishing 7th isn't acceptable after 1.5 years in the job and spending 100+ million.

Everyone seems to forget that we sold Torres, Babel, Meireles and konchesky which probably brought in 70M or so.  Not to mention sending all the deadwood on loan etc which saves money.  Our net spend isn't really that huge. 

Its also not 2004 anymore.  You cant just spend a bit of money like Chelsea did and instantly become a top team. 

City have spent close to half a billion and are only starting to look like a really strong team this year.  Kenny needs be given a lot more time and more money this summer.

This utter garbage about Kenny spending £100m is becoming tedious. HE HAS SPENT LESS THAN £40M !!!

RedAnt wrote:Our performances and the mood around the club has been much, much better under Kenny. It's there for all to see and feel. But look how many points we've dropped at home this season. Why have we dropped them? Poor finishing? Poor service to our strikers? The woodwork? A lack of ideas of how to change things when they're not going right?

The overall "feel" for me is simply bad luck. I never feel anger at the team. More than anything I just groan as we pull yet another supersave out of the oppositions keeper, or as Carroll falls over, or as Kuyt misses a sitter, or the ball thunders back off the crossbar, or someone misses/saves a penalty or Howard Webb referees our game.

I don't know what it is. It feels there's some mystical conspiracy against us this year.

That, or maybe we're just sh*t.

jacdaniel wrote:

RedAnt wrote:Our performances and the mood around the club has been much, much better under Kenny. It's there for all to see and feel. But look how many points we've dropped at home this season. Why have we dropped them? Poor finishing? Poor service to our strikers? The woodwork? A lack of ideas of how to change things when they're not going right?

The overall "feel" for me is simply bad luck. I never feel anger at the team. More than anything I just groan as we pull yet another supersave out of the oppositions keeper, or as Carroll falls over, or as Kuyt misses a sitter, or the ball thunders back off the crossbar, or someone misses/saves a penalty or Howard Webb referees our game.

I don't know what it is. It feels there's some mystical conspiracy against us this year.

That, or maybe we're just sh*t.

We seem to have 4 problems that i can identify which all kinda tie into each other.

1)  We don't play at a high enough tempo.  Think of the Real Madrid game at Anfield a few years back... we tore them apart that night by pressing all over the pitch and attacking.

2) We have very little pace. Bellamy, Gerrard and maybe Downing are the only players we have that can burst forward.

3) We don't get enough players in the box.  This is really baffling as i cant tell whether its a tactic or just the players not getting forward.

4) Motivation.  The fans, players and manager all play a part here.  It seems like we all sometimes find it hard to get motivated to beat the likes of Stoke in between big semi finals with City.

Your number 3 here baffles me too. I've always been a staunch defender of Andy Carroll. I still truly believe he will come good for us. I remember when Carroll first started he was putting himself around a lot, using agression and strength and was winning a lot of balls, scoring goals and looking dangerous. Enter the Refs Whistle. Time and time again. Now Andy looks depressed, disinterested, unaggressive, off balance, and basically like he's not at the races at all. And how do we deal with it? Stick him up front, on his own, and ask him to hold it up for us whilst the midfield supply him with awful service (Except for Stevie). I've lost count of how many times i've seen Carroll in the box, isolated and surrounded by 3, 4, 5, 6 opposition players. Then many call him when he does nothing.

On a positive note though, the defence looks solid. And they say that's the foundation. Let's just hope the goals start coming soon, else we'll be in the european wilderness again next season.

Another plus is that Chelsea and Arsenal haven't taken advantage of our heel dragging. They're still there for the taking!