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Postby Ben Patrick » Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:18 pm

maguskwt wrote:If we want to play Skrtel and be solid at the back we need to play 3 centre backs with 2 wingbacks. I think Kenny tried it a few times last season and we didn't concede at all. Skrtel is quite ok as a last man 'sweeper'. I was even wondering why Kenny reverted to flat back 4 again...

last man sweeper is probably the easiest job in the world.
If you wanted someone to do that job you could do with someone who is better on the ball than skrtel.
He would sweep, but only by tw@tting it up the pitch.
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Postby maguskwt » Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:28 pm

True... I'm not denying that we need to find a better defender than Skrtel... but if we really have to play with what we have at the moment, we should consider a wing-back formation. Besides, Kelly and Johnson are perfect wing-back candidates...
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Postby Raoul » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:19 am

Kelly a perfect wingback? Johnson and Aurelio maybe.
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Postby The Good Yank » Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:11 am

I think Skrtel gets a bit of a bad rap and I think it's all a bit knee jerk.  If you think about the player , on his own, he isn't as bad as many posts about him state.  If you think of the context of what he was supposed to be to the team last season, and what he ended up being, is where I think there needs to be a bit of leniency.

Skrtel entered last season as our 3rd center half.  He'd had some very good performances in the past and we all lamented his knee injury V City back in 08.  He was a tall physical CB that could provide some depth along the backline.  He was a bit prone to ball watching and seemed a bit slowin his reactions to counter attacks.

Fast forward a couple of seasons and he is still that same player.  Yes he hasn't improved to what we would hope to be.  But keep in mind in his early years he was cover.  Last season he played every minute of every match in the Prem.  If we were to get another CB such as Dann or Cahill, I'd be very comfortable with having Skrtel as our #3 or 4 CB, which is what he is supposed to be.  Don't give the guy too much stick because he was forced into a role that he was never meant to take on.
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Postby ethanr » Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:23 am

The Good Yank wrote:I think Skrtel gets a bit of a bad rap and I think it's all a bit knee jerk.  If you think about the player , on his own, he isn't as bad as many posts about him state.  If you think of the context of what he was supposed to be to the team last season, and what he ended up being, is where I think there needs to be a bit of leniency.

Skrtel entered last season as our 3rd center half.  He'd had some very good performances in the past and we all lamented his knee injury V City back in 08.  He was a tall physical CB that could provide some depth along the backline.  He was a bit prone to ball watching and seemed a bit slowin his reactions to counter attacks.

Fast forward a couple of seasons and he is still that same player.  Yes he hasn't improved to what we would hope to be.  But keep in mind in his early years he was cover.  Last season he played every minute of every match in the Prem.  If we were to get another CB such as Dann or Cahill, I'd be very comfortable with having Skrtel as our #3 or 4 CB, which is what he is supposed to be.  Don't give the guy too much stick because he was forced into a role that he was never meant to take on.

Ya I agree.  I feel he has this loyalty to LFC like he understands how the clubs works better than most.  He has very solid games sometimes and can cause problems in the opposite box.  He scares the hell out of me sometimes because I think he'll give away a pen, but he never seems to.  Apparently he's very good at getting away with it.  His man does not score very often on corners, that's for sure.

He's my girlfriend's favorite player because she thinks he's cute.

Says a lot about me I guess  :help
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Postby metalhead » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:04 am

This is what I see in Skrtel

He isn't tactically aware because he ball watches a lot, he isn't as commanding as Carragher or read the game well as Carra. He isn't a good footballer, he always looks to hoof the ball rather than give the right pass or play it simple ala hyppia and Agger. He lacks composure and starts panicking when he is in a difficult situation. Also, he isn't physically strong as people make him out to be, the Carlton Cole goal last season against West Ham. The only think Skrtel is good at is his tackles, I think he is an excellent tackler, other than he is pretty average and not good enough to be in the starting XI
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:48 am

metalhead wrote:This is what I see in Skrtel

He isn't tactically aware because he ball watches a lot, he isn't as commanding as Carragher or read the game well as Carra. He isn't a good footballer, he always looks to hoof the ball rather than give the right pass or play it simple ala hyppia and Agger. He lacks composure and starts panicking when he is in a difficult situation. Also, he isn't physically strong as people make him out to be, the Carlton Cole goal last season against West Ham. The only think Skrtel is good at is his tackles, I think he is an excellent tackler, other than he is pretty average and not good enough to be in the starting XI

Yet he was the only player last season (bar Reina) who played every minute of every game.

Kenny must think differently. Especially when he could of easier played Kyrgiakos there or even gave Kelly a preferable position.
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Postby Ben Patrick » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:33 am

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
metalhead wrote:This is what I see in Skrtel

He isn't tactically aware because he ball watches a lot, he isn't as commanding as Carragher or read the game well as Carra. He isn't a good footballer, he always looks to hoof the ball rather than give the right pass or play it simple ala hyppia and Agger. He lacks composure and starts panicking when he is in a difficult situation. Also, he isn't physically strong as people make him out to be, the Carlton Cole goal last season against West Ham. The only think Skrtel is good at is his tackles, I think he is an excellent tackler, other than he is pretty average and not good enough to be in the starting XI

Yet he was the only player last season (bar Reina) who played every minute of every game.

Kenny must think differently. Especially when he could of easier played Kyrgiakos there or even gave Kelly a preferable position.

That worries me, as he is a poor player.

What are his strengths ?
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:51 am

Ben Patrick wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
metalhead wrote:This is what I see in Skrtel

He isn't tactically aware because he ball watches a lot, he isn't as commanding as Carragher or read the game well as Carra. He isn't a good footballer, he always looks to hoof the ball rather than give the right pass or play it simple ala hyppia and Agger. He lacks composure and starts panicking when he is in a difficult situation. Also, he isn't physically strong as people make him out to be, the Carlton Cole goal last season against West Ham. The only think Skrtel is good at is his tackles, I think he is an excellent tackler, other than he is pretty average and not good enough to be in the starting XI

Yet he was the only player last season (bar Reina) who played every minute of every game.

Kenny must think differently. Especially when he could of easier played Kyrgiakos there or even gave Kelly a preferable position.

That worries me, as he is a poor player.

What are his strengths ?

Recently he has contributed a couple of goals.

I would say he is more of a player who can work well with Carragher because he takes direction from Carragher. Most want a Carragher-Agger partnership but with Agger's injury record we don't get that often. Skrtel is the safe option I think.
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Postby metalhead » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:06 am

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
metalhead wrote:This is what I see in Skrtel

He isn't tactically aware because he ball watches a lot, he isn't as commanding as Carragher or read the game well as Carra. He isn't a good footballer, he always looks to hoof the ball rather than give the right pass or play it simple ala hyppia and Agger. He lacks composure and starts panicking when he is in a difficult situation. Also, he isn't physically strong as people make him out to be, the Carlton Cole goal last season against West Ham. The only think Skrtel is good at is his tackles, I think he is an excellent tackler, other than he is pretty average and not good enough to be in the starting XI

Yet he was the only player last season (bar Reina) who played every minute of every game.

Kenny must think differently. Especially when he could of easier played Kyrgiakos there or even gave Kelly a preferable position.

He still has a lot of flaws, we conceded a sh!t load of goals last season especially in set pieces and its down to our back four being not good enough. Even when we saw an improvement under Kenny defensively we still weren't good enough, especially that game against West Ham away. Skrtel looks good when he is paired with a quality CB, but when you pair him with an average one he looks average. However, when you have a quality CB in your team no matter who you pair him with he will always look the stand out defender in our team, its not the case with Skrtel.
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Postby Ben Patrick » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:34 am

SouthCoastShankly wrote:I would say he is more of a player who can work well with Carragher because he takes direction from Carragher. Most want a Carragher-Agger partnership but with Agger's injury record we don't get that often. Skrtel is the safe option I think.

We need to replace him asap.
If he plays the majority of games this season he will cost us goals and points guaranteed.
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Postby metalhead » Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:15 pm

injured again

Martin suffered an injury setback.

This is not a good news for all the fans in Liverpool. Martin suffered an injury during training and it is a big blow for his plans. It may rule him out for another few days or even weeks. This is also a reason why he was not present in Liverpool´s friendly against Galatasaray: "I am still not with my team. I suffered  an injury setback on Friday. I felt strong pain in my leg so I am back with the doctors receiving treatment. I really don´t know how long will it take to heal. I am doing my best to be back as soon as possible," Martin told his official website.

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Postby Kenny Kan » Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:38 am

Is Danny Agger fit?
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Postby Bad Bob » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:58 pm

There's so much to love about today's performance that it would be easy to overlook Skrtel's swashbuckling cameo at RB.  He was a lot of fun to watch today, bombing forward with wild abandon--even getting into the Bolton box on a couple of occasions. What a well timed run and thumping header for the goal as well.  If this is what the whiff of a bit of competition at the back does, than Coates's presence is already paying off.
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Postby aCe' » Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:32 pm

Bad Bob wrote:There's so much to love about today's performance that it would be easy to overlook Skrtel's swashbuckling cameo at RB.  He was a lot of fun to watch today, bombing forward with wild abandon--even getting into the Bolton box on a couple of occasions. What a well timed run and thumping header for the goal as well.  If this is what the whiff of a bit of competition at the back does, than Coates's presence is already paying off.

what a brilliant performance by Skrtel today... To be perfectly honest, I expected Kenny to tel him to sit back a little and mark Petrov (their biggest danger) to allow Enrique more room to make the forward runs... As it turned out, Enrique had an average game and did little going forward while Skrtel stole the show with his attacking display... Excellent game and when we are on top his direct style really helps in stretching opposition backlines... For me hes a better fullback than Flanagan and if both Kelly and Johnson are injured then we should be playing him ahead of Flanno imo
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