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by **PabloMedina28** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:04 pm

metalhead wrote:but that doesn't mean that we should sell him right?

despite some good performances this season from him he has been inconsistent, why? is it because the team in the past 2 years have been playing well below their standard? is it because inconsistency is coming from niggling injuries and suspensions that is hampering his sharpness (remember England friendly game).

Lets sell Gerrard and play Suso instead he is so much better or buy Hamsik or Defour or who ever they are some FM manager players deemed to be quality players but no one have bought them yet from the Seria A league and Belgian League respectively

No mate its because hes been underperforming for about 2 years now, last season he was terrible and hes only gonna get worse. Thing about Gerrard is he hasnt got the intelligence to do Scholes or Giggs. He was the best because he was tenacious, Dynamic and is blessed with natural ability. Brains not so much and thats what all the players who go on to play in thier mid 30s have.Why are you obsessed with all these FM Manager references? Its obvious by the names you put forward your only interested in english players. Just because other people arent this small minded doesnt mean they get there info off computer games.

Again mho is id rather sell him next year use the money on top of what we will have and the deadwood funds and start a new chapter at Anfield. If he stays i have no doubt he will improve with better players around him and wouldnt be bothered if he stayed. You talk about injuries thats another reason id get rid coz hes picking more and more up as he gets older and this WILL continue until he retires.

by **PabloMedina28** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:09 pm

burjennio wrote:I dont think hes been our best player this season MH. I honestly dont know who Id give that accolade to tbh. I think Lucas has been the most consistent but hes not the kind of player that wins matches. Even Pepe Reina has been uncharacteristically off colour this term.

To come back to St Michaels point I think Stevie got by for so long on pure athleticsm. His strength, acceleration and drive were just so phenomenal that he really did win matches for us on his own time and time again. As hes gotten a little older those attributes have lessened with age (like on footy manager! ) as those of us who have passed that 30 mark will testify to so you have to start relying on your intelligence on the pitch rather than being able to leave people standing with sheer pace and power. Personally I think that Stevie is at that stage now but is having trouble reinventing himself as a more reserved type of player, I still think he could be great as a supporting forward like he was in the last few seasons, but I also think he has the passing range and vision to play the role Xabi Alonso did in the deep lying playmaker / quaterback role if he can be disciplined enough to hold his position and let others, such as Merieles supply the energy going forward. Didi Hamman adapted his game more defensively when Gerrard burst onto the scene with great success and Im sure Stevie could do the same to let others take over the attacking mantle.

Brilliant post.

I think the difference between Gerrard and Hamann though is that i feel IMHO is that Gerrard needs to be the driving force that makes the key contributions and gets all the headlines. Despite getting negative feedback for bringing this up afew days ago i do believe his has a massive ego and would not allow himself to watch other players be the focal point of the team.

by **PabloMedina28** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:16 pm

crazyhorse wrote:Stevie has been our talisman for a lot of years. He has had indifferent seasons before and bounced back. He has also had a world cup last summer and injuries this year.
At the moment it is stupid to start saying he is a spent force.

Has he? i cant remember indifferent season besides last season when he was truly shocking and this season. It use to be wierd if he had 3 ineffective games on the run. For the last 2 years thats been a given sadly.

i dont think anyones saying hes a spent force he can still do a great job when the team gets investment to help him along. But he is past it and will decline every season no one can surely deny that.

by **crazyhorse** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:37 pm

PabloMedina28 wrote:
crazyhorse wrote:Stevie has been our talisman for a lot of years. He has had indifferent seasons before and bounced back. He has also had a world cup last summer and injuries this year.
At the moment it is stupid to start saying he is a spent force.

Has he? i cant remember indifferent season besides last season when he was truly shocking and this season. It use to be wierd if he had 3 ineffective games on the run. For the last 2 years thats been a given sadly.

i dont think anyones saying hes a spent force he can still do a great job when the team gets investment to help him along. But he is past it and will decline every season no one can surely deny that.

There have been poorer (not rubish by any means) but maybe more average seasons from Stevie.. He is not over the hill yet, thats my point and he has a good few years left in him.

by **Kharhaz** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:29 am

Gerrard needs to be told where he is to be played, and not the one saying where he should be played. Kenny needs to tell him "your playing [add offensive role here]". His record shows, on the right wing, he scored a shed load, when played in any attacking role, he excels. This should be his role constantly.

by **PabloMedina28** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:53 pm

Kharhaz wrote:Gerrard needs to be told where he is to be played, and not the one saying where he should be played. Kenny needs to tell him "your playing [add offensive role here]". His record shows, on the right wing, he scored a shed load, when played in any attacking role, he excels. This should be his role constantly.

All the "ill play anywhere for the club" talk that Gerrards given in the past doesnt fool me, i think he has alot more power at this club then people believe. It was widley known he didnt like playing right wing, he signs a new contract suprise suprise hes never played there again.

by **damjan193** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:58 pm

Can't belive that people actully talk about selling him... our captain, our leadear, our most devoted player? Who has played better than him this season? Lucas? Sure the guy is Ok this season but to praise Lucas and to say that Gerrard should be sold? He is way below the Gerrard we know but so is the whole fecking team. Really cant get you guys, even though he isnt no where near the Gerred he was just 2 years ago, he still is one of our best players, nobody can change a game like he can, nobody else can raise the team from the death and nobody can make us go forward as much as he can. Gerrard has maybe been our best player in like 20 years, he is a world class player and you dont sell world class players.

by **stmichael** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:37 pm

PabloMedina28 wrote:All the "ill play anywhere for the club" talk that Gerrards given in the past doesnt fool me, i think he has alot more power at this club then people believe. It was widley known he didnt like playing right wing, he signs a new contract suprise suprise hes never played there again.

There's no "think" about it. Both he and Carra have had far too much power at the club for a long time. If you believe what you hear, this extends to even having a say on who the manager is.

Gerrard should play where he's told end of. He's won two PFA player of the year awards (2005/6 and 2008/9), one year playing on the right and the other playing as a second striker. People need to realise that he's not like he used to be in 2001-4 when he had the best engine around and would bomb from box to box scoring thunderbolts and making tackles. Infact we rarely see Gerrard shooting from range anymore. The free kick against the Mancs this season aside, I can't remember the last time he scored from outside the penalty area.

He'll still have good games from central midfield but at the same time he'll leave huge gaps that any decent team will exploit. The old Gerrard would have the pace to recover but not so much nowadays. That's why we need him in the final third for the majority. Gerrard in the final third playing on instinct is a brilliant player whereas Gerrard being wasted tracking back and trying to nullify the opposition is a ridiculous waste.

by **metalhead** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:33 pm

Had an excellent game today I thought, very disciplined role and looked like he wanted it. His tackling and closing down were excellent, and almost scored 2 screamers.

Well done captain fantastic

by **Scottbot** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:22 pm

Always been harshly judged unless he's performing the miracles we've come to expect in my opinion. Solid performances aree often judged as poor because of the ridiculously high standards he's set himself. I think Stevie is more than capable of tapering his game down gradually as he gets older. Admitedly he's noticably lost a bit of pace over the past 18 months and he takes longer to get over his injuries these days but i'd ask everyone to remember his amazing performance for England at the start of the season when he was right up there playing at the Captain Marvel level we have got used to over the years. He is for me, a long way from past it. Remember he has been playing in a pretty shocking side for the past two seasons. Last year was a mess. Everything was wrong, we lost 3 quality players, had no strikers, the shape and tactics sucked and you could say the same for this year until Kenny has come in and shaken things up. Anyone suggesting Gerrasrd is on the way down is hasty in my book. If Kenny can get a few more players of the necessary quality I believe we'll see Gerrard back to his best in no time.

I truly hope he remains a Red for his whole career. Can see him playing Right Back aged 35.

by **Zidane** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:31 pm

He played well today, that's all he has to do to do his job. Hopefully he stops trying to do too much from here on out, he can be class for us in the middle if he just stays disciplined.

by **PabloMedina28** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:54 pm

Scottbot wrote:Always been harshly judged unless he's performing the miracles we've come to expect in my opinion. Solid performances aree often judged as poor because of the ridiculously high standards he's set himself. I think Stevie is more than capable of tapering his game down gradually as he gets older. Admitedly he's noticably lost a bit of pace over the past 18 months and he takes longer to get over his injuries these days but i'd ask everyone to remember his amazing performance for England at the start of the season when he was right up there playing at the Captain Marvel level we have got used to over the years. He is for me, a long way from past it. Remember he has been playing in a pretty shocking side for the past two seasons. Last year was a mess. Everything was wrong, we lost 3 quality players, had no strikers, the shape and tactics sucked and you could say the same for this year until Kenny has come in and shaken things up. Anyone suggesting Gerrasrd is on the way down is hasty in my book. If Kenny can get a few more players of the necessary quality I believe we'll see Gerrard back to his best in no time.

I truly hope he remains a Red for his whole career. Can see him playing Right Back aged 35.

Only idiots think like this, im judging him on the last 2 years now and his steady decline. Just want to point this out as i dont want to be roped in with the people you talk about.

Today he was brilliant though and was much more disciplined which is what alot of people have been crying out for from him.

Despite what i say about it being best we cash in on him IMHO i have no doubt if he plays more disciplined he can still be a major assest for us until he retires and this iswhat my heart wants.

Keep it up Captain Fantastic

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:07 pm

Nice to see him shooting even though they were off target
Also good that others are taking corners and free kicks
He actually smiled once today as well...

by **Scottbot** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:40 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:Also good that others are taking corners and free kicks

Deffo agree on the corners. It's been a long time coming. Gerrard is an excellent header of the ball and if we're honest, has always had a pretty inconsistent delivery at corners. Kenny has clearly told him it's not his job anymore as even when Mereilles is off the pitch someone else steps up to take them.

by **Kenny Kan** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:18 am

He was playing within himself today, he only looked half fit. Good to see him have a pop on goal though, he was only inches away.

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