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by **dawson99** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:06 pm

LOL..this is reason 67 why women shouldn't be allowed to use the internet.

and reason 34 why women cant work out sarcasm, irony or anything else

and reason 46 why every thread will be ruined by mad cow desease and probably everyone except the said BSE sufferer will just stay moaning ruining everything even though everyone else is happy

by **Scottbot** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:07 pm

lakes10 wrote:no i would not, i was the one asking for fan to give him a chance to build a team. some seemed to think that he could walk in at win all the games , that was never going to happen, as i said before even god would have a hard job turning this lot into a winning team.

Kenny needs the fans to back him but he also needs the fans to understand that he like roy is working with players that are not up to it, untill he gets new players all he can do is to try and give them a bit of confidence and hope for the best.

we need new players NOW!

But it isn't as simple as that. It's not simply a case of our players not being up to it. I know I have had a pop at the likes of Skrtel and Agger in the transfer thread but we have seen them playing far better in the past than they are at the moment. The same applies to Torres, Kuyt, Carra and Gerrard. Kenny challenge is to get them back to that level, playing with belief and confidence. I don't buy that this season was simply an inevitable roll-over from last year. As I said before, it all looked hunki-dori at the start of the year didn't it, we were excited, the players were excited, we were going to bounce back and have a good season but the opposite has happened.

We need new players and quickly but my hope is that they can come in and jump-start things and help a few of our previously reliable players to reclaim the form we know they are capable of.

by **metalhead** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:07 pm

Greavesie wrote:ah Newkit's back to normal, was getting scary when everyone was talking football with renewed optimism

I know.. I was worried... but now I'm not

Roy's fault, Rafa's fault, G+H fault, Parry's fault, players fault and Christian Purslow's fault :angry:

Now we have the King, and he will turn things around in no time :nod

by **Greavesie** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:11 pm

metalhead wrote:
Greavesie wrote:ah Newkit's back to normal, was getting scary when everyone was talking football with renewed optimism

I know.. I was worried... but now I'm not

Roy's fault, Rafa's fault, G+H fault, Parry's fault, players fault and Christian Purslow's fault

Now we have the King, and he will turn things around in no time

got to have faith

Seriously though we all have to pull in the same direction here. We are where we are by a combination of errors and absolute w@nkers (G&H). We have to look forwards now, its pointless trying to place the blame for where we are now. We all have to get behind Kenny (metaphorically speaking) and support the boys. Times are hard, its even harder when we're all bickering amongst ourselves

by **metalhead** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:13 pm

Yep.. we can blame all we want, but whats done is done and now with King Kenny at helm we need to support the boys and get back on track.

Seriously dudes the blaming game is not going to help

by **dawson99** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:14 pm

we are all but one or two together on this. There will always be the odd nutjob ruining things for the many

by **Scottbot** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:15 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:Not the only reason but a massive factor. If the players aren't capable enough on talent alone to win away it falls on the manager to apply to correct tactics and selection. Hodgson got this wrong on almost every away day.

We developed a fear of losing as opposed to a desire to win.

I believe that in the eternal optimist that is Dalglish and Clarke's excellent coaching record our away day blues will reduce somewhat. Our home form will remain solid, especially as it was largely unaffected even when Hodgson was here. With the crowd behind the manager and the team it should be even better.

Good post mate, that pretty much echoes my thoguhts on it.

by **Scottbot** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:17 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
Scottbot wrote:.

. We all know we need new players, I don't think anyone can deny that but our squad is still far far superior to the like of Blackpool, Wolves, Northampton, Wigan, and a 65-70% of the rest of the Premiership so we NEVER should have been in this position. Hodgson didn't fight the fire, he used the wrong bloody extiguisher and made it a ton worse. The form and confidence of our squad is absolutely wrecked. It wasn't like that before the season started. you remember how everything was rosy? Toores commits, Gerrard commits, we signed Joe Cole. Everyone happy. Well it's a bloody mess now but you seem to be suggesting it was pretty much inevitable no matter who was in the hot-seat but I disagree. Torres head didn't drop right now, he's just full of anger and frustraion and it's boiling over. That's what happens to top players at top clubs when things go wrong.

Good post that Scott .[/quote]
Sange, me, Steve and Tommo just got our tickets for Chelsea away on the 6th. You going this year?

by **Waldo** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:17 pm

I have faith in Kenny and he has my backing 100%.

However....some of the team selection decisions were strange last night. I know we played on Sunday and a lot of the game with 10 men but he made fundamental mistakes with team selection last night - Johnson at LB + Poulson and Jovanovic coming into the starting line up!!!!

Looking at the bench and the fact the reserves played less than 48 hours prior to the Blackpool game his hands may have been tied I suppose

by **Greavesie** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:20 pm

However....some of the team selection decisions were strange last night. I know we played on Sunday and a lot of the game with 10 men but he made fundamental mistakes with team selection last night - Johnson at LB + Poulson and Jovanovic coming into the starting line up!!!!

I have to agree with this. Many posters posted up a different team believing to be the starting line up and that filled me with confidence, then I saw the proper one and there were stange selections indeed.

Maybe Kenny was giving Poulsen one last throw of the dice, he didn't cope. Same goes for Jova. Johnson at left back was baffling and the midfield looked far too lightweight, but I guess it's going to be that way until Stevie returns

by **jacdaniel** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:27 pm

I think one or two people are being too harsh on Kenny's appointment.
This is only his 5th day in charge FFS! Under Roy, we only managed ONE domestic away win. (last minute goal against Bolton).
Before Kenny came in we'd lost 3 of our last 4 or something like that and he had the small task of facing the Mancs at OT. The players are low on confidence and thats a difficult problem to fix.

One of the reasons for our downfall is that there is too many changes happening too quickly at the club. Some of these changes were neccesary but still... new owners, new manager, new coaching staff, scouting team have left, new medical staff, new technical director, several new players, new CEO soon. All of this has no doubt unsettled the players.

Our captain and vice captain havent played many of the last games either. Give Kenny time and a bit of money and he'll turn it around.
We're in a mess right now but a win against Everton could kick start a good run.

by **crim cram** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:28 pm

For those that think our squad is :censored:

, I disagree. Let's take Dirk Kuyt, for example. Six months ago he had a great World Cup, was instrumental on the right for Holland, put in tackles, crosses, ran his guts out. Last night, he was unrecognizable, Why? I submit it's mental, so much of sport is mental, you don't go from world class to league 2 standard without doubting your abilities as a footballer. Kenny's job is to restore confidence in the players' own abilities. These players have been through a sh!t storm of epic proportions - ownership fiasco - court cases - changes (now 3) in the fundamental training regimens, tactics, and personnel of three different managers.
Another thing to consider: The current players, when brought to Liverpool were on an upswing in an already successful career. Johnson, Kuyt, Torres, Jovanovic, Agger, Skrtel, Meireles, haven't had many dips in form that can compare to this. Do you think its down to this manager or that manager? Its down to the off field instability and general chaos surrounding the club and the downward spiral that seems to have sucked everything down with it. What is needed is stability and belief. Please stop sniping about previous managers, you all seem intelligent enough to know the issues are more complex than that. Put that stuff to bed and get behind the TEAM! Walk On

by **Ciggy** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:30 pm

jacdaniel wrote:I think one or two people are being too harsh on Kenny's appointment.
This is only his 5th day in charge FFS!

Its unbelieveable isnt it mate :no

by **Scottbot** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:32 pm

Greavesie wrote:
However....some of the team selection decisions were strange last night. I know we played on Sunday and a lot of the game with 10 men but he made fundamental mistakes with team selection last night - Johnson at LB + Poulson and Jovanovic coming into the starting line up!!!!

I have to agree with this. Many posters posted up a different team believing to be the starting line up and that filled me with confidence, then I saw the proper one and there were stange selections indeed.

Maybe Kenny was giving Poulsen one last throw of the dice, he didn't cope. Same goes for Jova. Johnson at left back was baffling and the midfield looked far too lightweight, but I guess it's going to be that way until Stevie returns

Me too mate. I was very surprised not see Babel in the line-up or on the bench and whilst I like Mereilles I don't think he is suited to ANY other role other than as a centre-mid. He dosn't have the skill-set to play wide-right or in the hole. He's not mobile, quick or clever anough to play in those positions but he does have the tools (although i've had some doubts about his tackling the last two games) to be a good little midfielder in the EPL though. For all his limitations I would have preferred to have seen Konchesky in his natural position yesterday with Jonno at Right-mid and Mereilles on the bench as opposed to the line-up we went with.

by **Greavesie** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:33 pm

Ciggy wrote:
jacdaniel wrote:I think one or two people are being too harsh on Kenny's appointment.
This is only his 5th day in charge FFS!

Its unbelieveable isnt it mate

agreed, I had a Newcastle fan last night saying he'll be sacked in no time. A NEWCASTLE fan talking about managerial issues at another club! Shocking!

then a Wolves fan saying 'I told you he wouldn't make a difference' - 5 days into the job! Unbelievable

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