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by **Emerald Red** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:31 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:Robbed

That was the second leg. Juventus were 4-1 up agg after they scored, so Fulham needed at least 3 more just to tie. Now, if you'd watched that game, they were a bit dodgy until the ref made a bit of a bollox up of sending off Canavaro. Of course that doesn't help an away team, especially when the ref then gives them another kick in the bollox by giving a penalty for hand ball when the ball is hit almost point blank range into the hand of a defender. They were very lucky. I'm not forming that opinion based on my view of my dislike for the imposter of a manager we have now. I had the same view when I watched it then live, and after. It was an entertaining game to watch as a neutral, and as a neutral then and now, my view is the same: Juventus got robbed by the officials.

Makes me wonder though. If Juventus knocked Fulham out, would Hodgson be the manager of this club today? Would he have gotten that LMA award? Highly unlikely IMO.

Are you sniffing glue?

by **LFC2007** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:01 am

1) Fulham were already in the ascendancy and indeed equalised before Cannavaro was sent off for clumsily bringing down Gera.

2) The handball for the penalty was clear-cut; Diego's arm is away from his body and moved toward the ball. He accepted the referee's decision without protest.

3) The Dempsey goal was not obviously a fluke, but so what if it was, they - Fulham - otherwise had a boatload of chances to kill the tie in the 90 min's.

When a team has so many chances, so many clear-cut chances, and when a team so obviously dominates a game so much that they manage to claw back not just the three goals they conceded in the first leg but a fourth, then that team hasn't "robbed" the other side of qualification to the next round, that team has "earned" the right to be in the next round. That night, that team was Fulham.

by **7_Kewell** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:03 am

Emerald Red wrote:Are you sniffing glue?

do you want another one of these? Because i worry your current one is getting a bit worn :laugh:

by **Thommo's perm** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:10 am

Emerald Red wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:Robbed

That was the second leg. Juventus were 4-1 up agg after they scored, so Fulham needed at least 3 more just to tie. Now, if you'd watched that game, they were a bit dodgy until the ref made a bit of a bollox up of sending off Canavaro. Of course that doesn't help an away team, especially when the ref then gives them another kick in the bollox by giving a penalty for hand ball when the ball is hit almost point blank range into the hand of a defender. They were very lucky. I'm not forming that opinion based on my view of my dislike for the imposter of a manager we have now. I had the same view when I watched it then live, and after. It was an entertaining game to watch as a neutral, and as a neutral then and now, my view is the same: Juventus got robbed by the officials.

Makes me wonder though. If Juventus knocked Fulham out, would Hodgson be the manager of this club today? Would he have gotten that LMA award? Highly unlikely IMO.

What a theory.
The officials is the ones to blame for us being 9th.
Fu*king refereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!!!!!
:angry:

by **tubby** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:13 am

Emerald Red wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Evening all... it feels to be back. Even worse to see Roy is still here.

Well, Bav, welcome back to the only known thread in a Liverpool forum on the internet that has more than a grand total of 3 Roy Hodgson supporters on it. At least it keeps the conversation and debate going in two directions, so that's a bonus.

Can't be too long now mate. I think another 'shock' defeat and he will be out.

by **NANNY RED** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:04 am

bavlondon wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Evening all... it feels to be back. Even worse to see Roy is still here.

Well, Bav, welcome back to the only known thread in a Liverpool forum on the internet that has more than a grand total of 3 Roy Hodgson supporters on it. At least it keeps the conversation and debate going in two directions, so that's a bonus.

Can't be too long now mate. I think another 'shock' defeat and he will be out.

Welcome back Bav mate ,shame it wasnt to better news mate,as you say though wont be long now ,hopefully

by **Kukilon** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:31 am

Yeah it's the refs fault that we are :censored:

.

by **Ciggy** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:06 am

"Hodgson later complained that his failure at Blackburn tarnished his reputation in England, whilst his record on the continent should have made him comparable to Sir Alex: "Of course, my track record, if people bothered to study it, would put me in the same category as Sir Alex enjoys today, but people don't talk about what I've done outside England."'

:laugh:

by **The Good Yank** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:21 am

Maybe he was talking about betting at the races.

by **Igor Zidane** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:28 am

Emerald Red wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Evening all... it feels to be back. Even worse to see Roy is still here.

Well, Bav, welcome back to the only known thread in a Liverpool forum on the internet that has more than a grand total of 3 Roy Hodgson supporters on it. At least it keeps the conversation and debate going in two directions, so that's a bonus.

To be fare ER i don't think that they are hodgson supporters . They have all said that he is the wrong man (at various times). What they won't accept or admit is that sacking a better manager to install a mediocre one was the big big mistake . That's the issue i think (i'm sure i'll be corrected if i'm wrong) . It's a bit like cutting your nose of to spight your face . Aslong as Rafa was sacked they couldn't give a f.uck what happend next . The bigger picture was not even considered imo .

by **Ciggy** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:32 am

Igor Zidane wrote:Aslong as Rafa was sacked they couldn't give a f.uck what happend next .

100% correct :nod

by **7_Kewell** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:24 am

Igor Zidane wrote:What they won't accept or admit is that sacking a better manager to install a mediocre one was the big big mistake . That's the issue i think (i'm sure i'll be corrected if i'm wrong) . It's a bit like cutting your nose of to spight your face . Aslong as Rafa was sacked they couldn't give a f.uck what happend next . The bigger picture was not even considered imo .

A number of us don't believe we would be any better off with Rafa. His disastrous stint at Inter back ups our feelings that he’s lost the plot and needs time out of the game.

There’s also the small fact that Nesv wouldn’t have allowed him to stay with complete control over transfers and we all know how that would have ended.

It's not about hating Rafa or loving Roy, it's about the fact we need to more forward and sometimes a step backwards can take you two steps forward.

by **jacdaniel** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:47 am

I think sacking Rafa was a disaster. There is no evidence, based on his 6 years in charge, that we'd be this low with him in charge. And even if we were this low, it wouldn't matter anyways...its not like we're better off at the moment.

The club is in decline because of T+G, but Rafa was doing a decent job in arresting that decline. He became the scapegoat though. Now with a lesser manager in charge, our problems have largely multiplied.

We should of waited for the new owners and then reviewed Rafa's position at the club. We would of known then whether last season was a blip or not. I just couldnt and still cant see the sense in taking on a caretaker manager.

by **7_Kewell** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:29 am

jacdaniel wrote:I think sacking Rafa was a disaster. There is no evidence, based on his 6 years in charge, that we'd be this low with him in charge. And even if we were this low, it wouldn't matter anyways...its not like we're better off at the moment.

The club is in decline because of T+G, but Rafa was doing a decent job in arresting that decline. He became the scapegoat though. Now with a lesser manager in charge, our problems have largely multiplied.

We should of waited for the new owners and then reviewed Rafa's position at the club. We would of known then whether last season was a blip or not. I just couldnt and still cant see the sense in taking on a caretaker manager.

This is where we have to agree to disagree…

Personally, I think Rafa’s signings over the last 2-3 years have been a disaster.

People ask why the media aren’t attacking Roy and it’s because the common consensus is that Rafa lost the plot a long time ago and, along with the owners, did nothing but damage Liverpool FC on and off the field in the hunt for victories over petty squabbles. Liverpool FC is a poisoned chalice and our previous manager and owners are to blame.

Look at Inter, it was a case of history repeating.

-Rafa cracks up at a press conference
-Team gets undue pressure because of it and results dip
- Rafa blames everyone but himself and gets the sack

For a man who demands so much responsibility, it irks me that he shuns it the moment things go wrong. For this reason, and so many others, he had to go.

Roy will tick things over until we find a long term replacement and he'll also go without a fuss.

by **tonyeh** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:05 pm

It's fucking amazing, this Benitez love in, it really is. There really are some gobshites that think the man could do no wrong at all despite all the evidence to contrary.

Are we really forgetting that bar one season (which he threw away), Liverpool were out of the league running by the halfway mark? A lucky CL final win ON PENALTIES in Istanbul, another final which was lost to dubious decisions, an FA cup final won on penalties again and that's really it.

He was an average manager that rode an incredible amount of luck, whose vaneer has finally rubbed away.

If we hadn't crawled back from 3-0 down in 2005, there's no way Benitez would have been around for 6 seasons.

Really, the record ain't that great.

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