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Postby aCe' » Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:07 am

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RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:I know we all have differing opinions on certain players .... but surely anyone who claims to have a modicum of football nous must be able to gather that Johnson will never make a competent defender ??? he might be brilliant in an attacking sense ... but it is after all his defensive lapses that we should be discussing which we are sadly becoming all to familiar with ...........
Its like the Emperors New Clothes all over again .... honestly its Ok if we sometimes concur on the glaringly obvious  ??? you will not be declared instantly unstable if you disagree with the established clique ... REPEAT AFTER ME "GLEN JOHNSON IS A LIABILITY ,THE PERSON THAT TOLD HIM  HIS FUTURE WAS IN DEFENCE ....... WAS EITHER HIS DAD OR A LIAR "
Its not as if the lad is starving us of ammunition ,he is  providing the proverbial rockets for us to fire every game he plays ..... Liverpool will continue to concede goals if players are allowed to breeze past with contemptuous ease .... Its a simple game football..... well at least it used to be ???

Well you think Lucas Leiva's a good player, so i wouldnt trust your judgement

Do you honestly think we are down to ten men when Lucas is playing? Do you? Lucas had a sh*t 1st half tonight but played well in the 2nd. Unfortunately for Lucas, he plays an unglamorous role in the set up of a team and gets f*ck all thanx for it (at least off your type!). Just because he comes from Brazil doesn't mean we are expecting the next Pele or whatever. Can't you d/heads get in to your heads that he plays a midfield role that will rarely get any accolades. He does what he's paid to. He'll even cut your defence apart and you'll have to bring him down for a penalty!

is this sarcasm ? or am i just getting old ?
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Postby Owzat » Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:46 am

PabloAimar wrote:i just knew you'd pop up as soon as somebody mentioned putting him in kuyt's position. seriously, what is it with you?!?!?! hahahaha

Did I mention Kuyt? No, you just read below the lines so you could drag him into it.

I would say that regardless, just because he makes a THEORETICAL good winger, doesn't mean it works in practice. Did we not go there with RIISE?!?!? AURELIO?!?!? I'm talking about experience, it may work once in a blue moon but generally speaking it doesn't. I would be shocked if Johnson makes it as a winger, as shocked as if you were to get off your Kuyt bashing hobby horse and post something worth reading.

Should we then make INSUA a winger because he is a defensive liability?!?! Hows about we play FOUR wingers and no full-backs, or perhaps because so many say Kuyt's only attributes are working hard and tackling back we play Kuyt at full-back? Honestly overall he might well be a better full-back than Johnson, at least he seems vaguely aware of his defensive duties, less than Johnson's as they inevitably are!
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Postby Owzat » Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:52 am

Calum wrote:It's never too late for a player to change position. It's worth a try in Johnson's case because we need more quality going forward. If it doesn't work out, just revert him back to his original position. No harm in trying. Something has to be done about the glaring lack of quality in the team.

Never for one second did I say it wasn't worth trying, but the weight of expectation is off his shoulders and he'll get "MOTM for sure" kind responses when he's putting in crosses that get stuck in the back of the net from full-back, but what odds he'll get slated when he doesn't produce and doesn't track back so much and generally outputs 3-4 goals and 6-7 assists a season

He could also work on his defensive skills, I think half of his problem is galavanting forward with disregard for defensive duties and that isn't a skill issue. I think as he's gone up the levels he's as much not bothered defending as much as he needs to as he has not made the step up. Watching him in the England v Germany game he was defensively not even there as two goals came from that side and destroyed England. He was just loitering on the right hand side of the penalty before realising perhaps he should get back as the ball went down their left flank unchallenged
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Postby PabloAimar » Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:13 am

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PabloAimar wrote:i just knew you'd pop up as soon as somebody mentioned putting him in kuyt's position. seriously, what is it with you?!?!?! hahahaha

Did I mention Kuyt? No, you just read below the lines so you could drag him into it.

I would say that regardless, just because he makes a THEORETICAL good winger, doesn't mean it works in practice. Did we not go there with RIISE?!?!? AURELIO?!?!? I'm talking about experience, it may work once in a blue moon but generally speaking it doesn't. I would be shocked if Johnson makes it as a winger, as shocked as if you were to get off your Kuyt bashing hobby horse and post something worth reading.

Should we then make INSUA a winger because he is a defensive liability?!?! Hows about we play FOUR wingers and no full-backs, or perhaps because so many say Kuyt's only attributes are working hard and tackling back we play Kuyt at full-back? Honestly overall he might well be a better full-back than Johnson, at least he seems vaguely aware of his defensive duties, less than Johnson's as they inevitably are!

You honestly believe riise, insua or aurelio are anywhere near as good as Johnson in an attacking sense? Or is that just another typical example of irrational justification for our current right winger to keep his place in the team, contributing nothing but the odd follow up rebounded goal?

For the record I have nothing against kuyt. I remember his debut aggainst everton thinking his intensity marked him out as a future star... But when you see a good pass arrive at a player and his touch sees the ball chip up 4ft in the air requiring 2/3 more touches to get it under control, alarm bells start ringing.
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Postby aCe' » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:21 am

That was one of the worst games hes ever played...

Was terrible at the back and theres no excuse for that... Going forward he struggled a lot (in fairness he usually doesnt) and that to some extent had to do with poor movement from Maxi and Lucas...

Cant really help that he has no competition for his spot but FFS.. You'd expect a little more for 17mill or whatever !
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Postby only me » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:38 am

aCe' wrote:That was one of the worst games hes ever played...

Was terrible at the back and theres no excuse for that... Going forward he struggled a lot (in fairness he usually doesnt) and that to some extent had to do with poor movement from Maxi and Lucas...

Cant really help that he has no competition for his spot but FFS.. You'd expect a little more for 17mill or whatever !

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Johnson performance in Liverpool is a total disappointment ,he shows no commitment no passion no motivation and no concentration. I would dare say he trys much more when playing for England then with the club that sends him their. Either it's his attitude or lazyness in any case Roy should give him a wake up call.
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Postby boodiddy1 » Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:50 am

Johnson definately gives more for England. His performances for us of late have been woeful. His defending is a non-entity. Why he keeps cutting inside when on a forward run is baffling!

Rights or wrongs of buying him. The lad is 400% over his real value. Not his fault i know. But, Jesus, he cant defend for toffee. I'd give him a rocket up his :censored: and play kelly there for a few games. Not going to happen though. He'll probably up his game at old trafford, like he seems to do against the better teams. But, if he doesn't lets blood kelly in. Johnson could possibly go as a more orthodox winger. He'd be able to dovetail with kelly when o\he overlaps.

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Postby bunglemark2 » Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:00 pm

aCe' wrote:That was one of the worst games hes ever played...

Was terrible at the back and theres no excuse for that... Going forward he struggled a lot (in fairness he usually doesnt) and that to some extent had to do with poor movement from Maxi and Lucas...

Cant really help that he has no competition for his spot but FFS.. You'd expect a little more for 17mill or whatever !

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Postby Thommo's perm » Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:27 pm

Get yer fu'ckin hair cut as well!!!!!
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Postby Fauxy » Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:55 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:Get yer fu'ckin hair cut as well!!!!!
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His hair is awesome!!!

He looks like predator.
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:42 pm

Fauxy wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Get yer fu'ckin hair cut as well!!!!!
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His hair is awesome!!!

He looks like predator.

pity it doesnt reflect his performances.
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Postby rocky29 » Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:00 am

boodiddy1 wrote:Johnson definately gives more for England. His performances for us of late have been woeful. His defending is a non-entity. Why he keeps cutting inside when on a forward run is baffling!

Rights or wrongs of buying him. The lad is 400% over his real value. Not his fault i know. But, Jesus, he cant defend for toffee. I'd give him a rocket up his :censored: and play kelly there for a few games. Not going to happen though. He'll probably up his game at old trafford, like he seems to do against the better teams. But, if he doesn't lets blood kelly in. Johnson could possibly go as a more orthodox winger. He'd be able to dovetail with kelly when o\he overlaps.

Buck up glen. Or you need to go

what does that tell you that he performs better for england than us. He knows he wont be winning anything with us this year and wont be playing in the champions league for the next 2 seasons. You can tell by his body language he aint happy i bet any money hes sold to man city next summer.
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Postby Ben Patrick » Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:53 am

I thought he was shocking Sunday and he should be dropped.
I actually think he is a good player but you cant play that badly and expect to be in the team the next week.
I would play Kelly and see if that gives Johnson the kick up the erse he clearly needs.
His hair is terrible Fauxy, and he spends half of the game fixing it. If i was Roy i would be telling him to get it cut.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:09 pm

Yep i would agree Ben- drop him for Kelly and give him a kick up the :censored:
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Postby matt_liverpool » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:58 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Yep i would agree Ben- drop him for Kelly and give him a kick up the :censored:

I agree. Just because he is first choice for club and country, doesn't mean he is a complete player. He is still young and need to work hard on a lot of aspect of his game. Most notably on a defensive side.
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