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by **Thommo's perm** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:01 pm

Ciggy wrote:All thats happened is the Pro's and Antis have swapped sides the sooner people deal with these facts the better for all concerned.

This is getting really boring now everyones going around in circles.

Pro and anti what?

by **bigmick** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:18 pm

Surely though everyone is pro Liverpool Football Club. We have a new manager, he deserves to be given a fair crack of the whip. A fair crack of the whip isn't three weeks, it's three seasons.

I must admit although I say again people are entitled to their own views, I have been shocked by the way some fans have carried on. I'll tell you this for nothing, even if I had been the staucnhest pro on the boards, I'd have got right in behind the new fella as he deserves a good do. It's not his fault what happened to the previous manager, if indeed anything did.

Redbeergoggles and Igor were pretty stauchly pro, and they seem to be able to find it intheir hearts to give the new manager a chance. That's exactly how I'd be too. Unfortunately one or two people are confirming an impression I'd long held in that they'd allowed their love for a manager to develop to an extent where they were and are a bigger fan of his that they were the football club. Shame but there it is.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:41 pm

bigmick wrote:Surely though everyone is pro Liverpool Football Club. We have a new manager, he deserves to be given a fair crack of the whip. A fair crack of the whip isn't three weeks, it's three seasons.

I must admit although I say again people are entitled to their own views, I have been shocked by the way some fans have carried on. I'll tell you this for nothing, even if I had been the staucnhest pro on the boards, I'd have got right in behind the new fella as he deserves a good do. It's not his fault what happened to the previous manager, if indeed anything did.

Redbeergoggles and Igor were pretty stauchly pro, and they seem to be able to find it intheir hearts to give the new manager a chance. That's exactly how I'd be too. Unfortunately one or two people are confirming an impression I'd long held in that they'd allowed their love for a manager to develop to an extent where they were and are a bigger fan of his that they were the football club. Shame but there it is.

They will argue that they are behind him, but are merely pointing out the realities and his limitations, should he not reach their expectations.
:laugh:

If only they insisted on the same loyalty that they wanted for the previous manager for the current one

by **Ben Patrick** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:20 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
bigmick wrote:Surely though everyone is pro Liverpool Football Club. We have a new manager, he deserves to be given a fair crack of the whip. A fair crack of the whip isn't three weeks, it's three seasons.

I must admit although I say again people are entitled to their own views, I have been shocked by the way some fans have carried on. I'll tell you this for nothing, even if I had been the staucnhest pro on the boards, I'd have got right in behind the new fella as he deserves a good do. It's not his fault what happened to the previous manager, if indeed anything did.

Redbeergoggles and Igor were pretty stauchly pro, and they seem to be able to find it intheir hearts to give the new manager a chance. That's exactly how I'd be too. Unfortunately one or two people are confirming an impression I'd long held in that they'd allowed their love for a manager to develop to an extent where they were and are a bigger fan of his that they were the football club. Shame but there it is.

They will argue that they are behind him, but are merely pointing out the realities and his limitations, should he not reach their expectations.

If only they insisted on the same loyalty that they wanted for the previous manager for the current one

That is EXACTLY how it is.
Anyone who has been on these boards a couple of seasons can see that for themselves.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:52 pm

Ciggy wrote:All thats happened is the Pro's and Antis have swapped sides the sooner people deal with these facts the better for all concerned.

This is getting really boring now everyones going around in circles.

rubbish. the so-called antis of the last season became antis over a period of time after giving the manager ample time to win us over.

the antis of today however want a manager with an exotic sounding name, with a less exotic sounding holiday destination, and the ability to buy renowned players with hardly any money to spend.

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:00 am

Published 23:00 11/09/10 By Simon Mullock

Roy Hodgson has warned Liverpool’s fans that they will not realise their title dream until the club has new owners.

Hodgson admits it has taken him less than three months to discover that the debts that strangled the life out of Rafa Benitez’s reign make it impossible for him to build a team capable of ending the Reds’ 20-year wait for the championship.

Hodgson revealed:

>Liverpool are in limbo while Tom Hicks and George Gillett find a buyer willing to pay their £600million price for a club they have saddled with £361m in debts;

>He has no contact with the two American owners;

>He fears clubs who failed to prise Steven Gerrard, Fernando Torres and Pepe Reina away this summer will keep returning until the financial crisis is over.

Hodgson insists he is not disillusioned with life at Liverpool – but says that the level of expectation at the club has to be balanced against the harsh financial realities.

He said: “I don’t think it’s pessimistic, people are realistic. The ownership problems are well documented and I can’t wave a magic wand and make them go away.

“Of course, I cannot deny the club needs new ownership.

“We’re not alone in that, but we’re probably the most high-profile club in the world in that situation. I think we will have a decent season. I am confident the boys won’t let the fans and the club down.

“Whether or not we will really get our act together as we’d like to so we can take the next big step, well, that will depend on the ownership issue being settled.”

Hicks and Gillett are willing to walk away and the Royal Bank of Scotland have set them an October 6 deadline to satisfy a loan of £237m.

But a number of potential buyers have made it clear that they will not go near the £600m-plus being asked for the club by the Americans.

Hodgson said: “I don’t speak to the owners for what I know about high finance could be written on the back of a postage stamp.”

He added: “It was very important during the transfer window that we saved three very good players from leaving.

“But as a manager of a club where there are good players you have to accept that every year there’s going to be speculation about your best players.”

[url=http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Roy-Hodgson-has-warned-Liverpool-fans-they-can-not-be-expected-to-win-the-league-under-the
-ownership-of-Tom-Hicks-and-George-Gillett-article577105.html#ixzz0zGTDImoF]http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news....GTDImoF[/url]

Roy in stating the obvious shocker!

by **JBG** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:58 am

Roys a decent manager, plenty of common sense and experience, his record demonstrates that.

Is he absolute top class i.e Wenger/Mourinho/Ferguson league? It doesnt look like it given his record, although he does have this one opportunity at Liverpool to see if he can reach those heights.

When I saw Roy being appointed I felt it had "interim manager" written all over it, although how long he will be "interim" will depend on the takeover.

As a "steadying the ship" bloke goes I think he is as good as it gets at the moment and I think he'll do a good job, but I really hope in two years time he and the current owners arent here.

by **maguskwt** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 5:40 am

bigmick wrote:It amazes me that for the so called best fans in nthe land, we can't at least find it in our hearts to give the new manager a chance. That's the bit I really don't get. Regardless of what you think about the fella he replaced, surely the new bloke is worth a shot. Some people are sitting on the sidelines dying for him to fail so they can tell us they told us so.

sure he's worth a shot. I'm just not :buttrock

for him...

by **dawson99** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:37 am

maguskwt wrote:
bigmick wrote:It amazes me that for the so called best fans in nthe land, we can't at least find it in our hearts to give the new manager a chance. That's the bit I really don't get. Regardless of what you think about the fella he replaced, surely the new bloke is worth a shot. Some people are sitting on the sidelines dying for him to fail so they can tell us they told us so.

sure he's worth a shot. I'm just not for him...

I'm gonna wait until the next two games ebfore making my decision

(sorry, I can't stop)

by **metalhead** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:19 am

JBG wrote:Roys a decent manager, plenty of common sense and experience, his record demonstrates that.

Is he absolute top class i.e Wenger/Mourinho/Ferguson league? It doesnt look like it given his record, although he does have this one opportunity at Liverpool to see if he can reach those heights.

When I saw Roy being appointed I felt it had "interim manager" written all over it, although how long he will be "interim" will depend on the takeover.

As a "steadying the ship" bloke goes I think he is as good as it gets at the moment and I think he'll do a good job, but I really hope in two years time he and the current owners arent here.

Fair point, however, if he wins a trophy here or there, then he deserves to stay for more than 2 years. Lets see

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:59 am

No way.
If he doesnt win the next two games he should be sacked, banished and imprisoned in a dungeon until he dies.
Right lads...?
:laugh:

Fu*king great on here

by **taff** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:09 pm

To take a positive stance on the situation I offer two scenarios.

JBG's stance that he steadies the ship competes for top four generally does a good job and in the future we get new owners loads of cash and a platinum manager who has inherired a decent well run squad so the jump up is that bit easier

We still have a decent squad and very good spine and a manager who is vastly experienced and at the age where this is realistically his last pop with a big club so I can only assume he really wants to make his mark and I think he is capable of winning something this season

These scenarios are not that wide off the mark although I do accept the nightmare scenario of the club going into self destruct mode but if we defended Rafa because of the situation then we have to sympathise with Roy as well as its hardly improved since he took over. Although I was/am pro Rafa I do like what Ive seen so far from Hodgson its just that he has his own personality and a deals with things differently to how Rafa would have dealt with it. Its up to us therefore to decide if we like his style and personality. I do, but I havent forgotten Rafa or think that all is well now, its just that I think we have to look forward and support the team especially during this hellish time. And to judge any manager in September is IMO a bit insane.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:37 pm

Fair comment
I for one will never forget Rafa as he was part of one of the greatest nights in my life as a supporter of this unique and magnificent club.
The fa cup win and the dismantling of two of the "greatest" clubs, madrid and the skanks will also stay in my memory forever.
However, in the cold light of day Rafa couldnt and wouldnt have won the league if hed have stayed for a hundred years and had billions to spend. He didnt get it and wasnt good enough. Will Roy do it? Who knows but iti is in OUR best interests that we support him and let him know that we believe in him (even if some of dont).
Otherwise whats the point of supporting LFC?

by **Dundalk** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:51 pm

Just thought Id leave this HERE :lookaround

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:02 pm

Dundalk wrote:Just thought Id leave this HERE

Interesting
No ciggy or benny though...?
:eyebrow

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