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by **Emerald Red** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:14 pm

In and Out wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:So is this what stability looks like?

f.uck off gypsy

Slan leat, a chara!

by **bigmick** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:14 pm

The day I start to "go around the forums" to formulate my football opinions will be the day I give up. BTW there'll be no flame war with me, i actually think you lot are more funny than anything

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by **burjennio** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:15 pm

Seriously Mick it looks like you came in today poke the lion, there is nothing to gain by claiming these guys have an agenda against the manager. I would certainly hope thats not the case, it was clear to see today how bad we were in certain areas, but like I said earlier there were definitely a few positives to take also.

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:17 pm

maguskwt wrote:
bigmick wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
bigmick wrote:Defensively we haven't really learnt that much. We have been short of a commanding centre half for a few seasons now, and three goals today came from poorly defended crosses. That the plast one was put over by a player who unquestionably should have been sent off 15 minutes earlier doesn't make it any easier to take.

Defensively we are truly pathetic Mick. It's a very negative way of defending...

I don't know about "pathetic", but certainly from crosses we are a long way short of being very good. Aside from crosses, I quite like our patterns and how we sit in (I would like to see us press it higher up though as I've said many times). Poulsen is excellent at hole filling and snuffing out, but principally our problems are both preventing crosses coming in and dealing with them once they get there.

I've advocated the purchase of a commanding centre half for a long time, and I'm afraid until we do it then we will have trouble. In the short term, I remain convinced that Skyrtel is not the best of our options.

Mick, we sit in and don't pressure them... That's why they have so much time and space to cross or pass through the defense. We can't defend like that against good teams, it's suicide.

Said that 10 minutes into the match. You're exactly right.

by **bigmick** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:17 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Mick i really can't agree with you on the poulson thing mate. We have to make a comparison to mascherano here because he's his direct replacement .

It's one of the biggest misconceptions on the boards. Poulsen isn't a Masherano type of player at all, he's a reader of it, a hole filler who can pass and dictate the play.

I guess that's why they're all saying "why doesn't he tackle more"

. Just because we sold Masherano and brought Poulsen in, it DOESN'T mean they are the same type of player, they aren't.

by **sgs** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:19 pm

Peeps can bleat all they like about how we are in transition, did not play badly or were in this same position last season. They remain excuses, and pathetic excuses at that. I prefer to make my judgements on what I see on the pitch, not my feelings!

We had Cole on the left of MF but he played more centrally, just like Jova has been doing.
Result- we lack width in possession and in the non-possession phase are caught out and gift space to United in wide areas.
Result- Konchelsky is without adequate cover at LB.
Joe Cole maybe an England international, but he is one of the most tactically ignorant top players I've ever seen! He then compounds it by his circus acts. There's a reason a world class manager like ancelotti gave up on him!

We play SG in CM and Raul behind Torres. Except Raul's best position is in CM which allows u get the best from him as he is able to see space in front of him, make the strategic late runs into the box or position himself to shoot from just outside it. He lacks the ability for the sudden change in tempo which the role behind Torres requires.

In CM, SG does not have the game to control play, and his uptempo approach has been proven best playing behind Torres. Today he was great on the two goals, but offered little or nothing more when u subject his performance to proper scrutiny.
Result- we lose the best qualities of both players.

In MF we do not press the ball, we rather sit deep, yet we offer ZERO counterattacking threat, and little or no width.
With Gerard besides Poulsen, his lack of tactical discipline often means we constantly leave undefended zones in CM. Combined with the lack of pressing and our deep-seated position, we allow the opponent too much time and space.

There is no rhyme or reason to our play atm...

by **roberto green** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:19 pm

We have conceded a few from corners this season already. Where are all the ones who said Zonal marking didn't work?

by **Benny The Noon** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:21 pm

When he is going to start filling holes then ? He seems to just sit around doing nothing and missing the big holes he is creating himself by being a statue - when is he going to start dictating games ? He just passes it 5 yards sideways - something Lucas gets stick for all the time on here . Im sure you stated somewhere that he would be as good as Masher if not an improvement on him

by **Joeblackisachimp** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:21 pm

Load of garbage overall.

Koncheski showed he is well out of his depth in an LFC shirt.
got skinned at left back all day, fluffed an easy cross first half, and I would have Aurelio anyday. you could tell we signed him from Fulham!

Poulsen offered little more than Lucas, and we played exactly like against Birmingham last week. We did not deserve 2-2 scoreline anyhow. We did Nothing first half, allowing the mancs to do what they please.

I would have played Jovanovic and Babel, instead of Rodrigez and Poulsen.

Utd (even though they are garbage) looked like they might score every time they went forward. Esp. First half.

I thought, if we bring on Babel, jovanovic on 60 mins, and step it up we can do well.

Torres had little to go on all match. One striker is not good enough. doesnt work

We missed the likes of Macsha this time, and if we keep playing like that we will finish 10th. shows the decline since Rafa went.

No faith..2/10 overall.

by **neil** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:22 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
neil wrote:mass panic in defence? wtf is all that about. The goaly should be coming out and claiming those balls, scattering half a dozen bodies while hes at it

I wouldn't say Pepe has anything to be faulted for today.

there you go again, constantly agreeing with me all over the forum.

by **Zidane** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:23 pm

bigmick wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Mick i really can't agree with you on the poulson thing mate. We have to make a comparison to mascherano here because he's his direct replacement .

It's one of the biggest misconceptions on the boards. Poulsen isn't a Masherano type of player at all, he's a reader of it, a hole filler who can pass and dictate the play.

I guess that's why they're all saying "why doesn't he tackle more" . Just because we sold Masherano and brought Poulsen in, it DOESN'T mean they are the same type of player, they aren't.

You used to bash Aquilani for not getting stuck in when he wasn't that type of player but excuse it with Poulson?

Anyway, his biggest problem is his lack of pace he just isn't mobile enough to play where he is playing.

by **burjennio** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:23 pm

He is sloooooooooooooooooow. If we could give Lucas his strength and height we may just have a player on our hands

TO THE LABRATORY!

by **sgs** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:25 pm

On Maxi Rodriguez, his football is about movement and the options he creates for the team. wrt that, he remains one of the best I've seen in the game, and there was plenty of evidence of that last season.

Today he is merely a victim of a poor manager who cannot design play or movement in the final third...

by **Reg** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:25 pm

Lads, we simply aint good enough. No need for long posts.

by **Igor Zidane** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:26 pm

bigmick wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Mick i really can't agree with you on the poulson thing mate. We have to make a comparison to mascherano here because he's his direct replacement .

It's one of the biggest misconceptions on the boards. Poulsen isn't a Masherano type of player at all, he's a reader of it, a hole filler who can pass and dictate the play.

I guess that's why they're all saying "why doesn't he tackle more" . Just because we sold Masherano and brought Poulsen in, it DOESN'T mean they are the same type of player, they aren't.

I didn't say they were the same type of player , what i said was that poulson was mascherano's direct replacement ie he's playing in that position . He does not dictate play , he didn't plug any holes, he got bypassed time and again . Why are we letting so many crosses coming in from the flanks ? because your midfielder who is supposed to be putting pressure on players is not quick enough to get over to the flanks to double up . When we went 442 that changed abit because the two wide men were helping back . Poulson is supposed to cover the whole of that line infront of the back four . He simply isn't capable of doing it , he's not mobile enough , he's a plodder.

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