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[stmichael]

Still a huge asset in every sense.

I'd still like to see him used further forward late on in some games though for the last 15-20 minutes. It means he doesn't have to do as much running and can still hurt the opposition. Joe Allen is more than capable of filling in alongside Lucas if this happens.

[Benny The Noon]

Why won't he have to do as much further forward ? If anything he might do more - chasing and closing down

And I wouldn't say Allen is more than capable at all - showed last season he wasn't capable

[supersub]

Gerrard should take up the Alonso role and everyone knows how much Alonso is adored by the fans.

Gerrard is not Alonso.........

[Kash_Mountain]

I don't think anyone , except cheesecakery (WUM), is saying SG should not be involved in every game, but there are some of us a bit more realistic with regards to Gerrard and his contribution for the full 90 minutes. Those who believe he still has "everything in his locker" are seriously deluded and haven't paid close attention to his performances over the last 3 seasons...the decline , though not as apparent as Torres's fall from grace, has been clear for all to see if they take the "big & hard 40 yard blinkers off".......just to re-itterate I would still have him involved in every game but not to the extent he is at the moment......His England aspirations also has a detrimental affect on his Liverpool performances....

are you confirming (so to speak) that Hustler is indeed Cheesecakery ?

[supersub]

are you confirming (so to speak) that Hustler is indeed Cheesecakery ?

If hustler confirmed that he is in fact cheesecakery I wouldn't be surprised....

[devaney]

I know Stu likes to open a new thread every day but surely all this belongs in the Gerrard thread.... Just a thought.

[stmichael]

I know Stu likes to open a new thread every day but surely all this belongs in the Gerrard thread.... Just a thought.

threads merged.

[Hustler 2]

are you confirming (so to speak) that Hustler is indeed Cheesecakery ?

If hustler confirmed that he is in fact cheesecakery I wouldn't be surprised....

Who is this cheesecakery I ask again 

[Hustler 2]

stu remove your head from your ar$e and watch the game....

There's no chance of that, as Stu is always correct ! 

Gerrard has faded a bit, over the 90 mins. But he's still the best we have got, and we have no other options on the bench, so we can't afford to leave him out really.

That 30 yard goal for England the other week was a peach.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Lets get one thing straight ,I don't think anyone is advocating removing Gerrard from our midfield ,rather acting on the sense of being more
practical when the need for a substitution is glaringly obvious. I think expecting Gerrard to expend the energy levels needed for 90 mins to
make a success or even a decent fist of adhering to Rodgers philosophy of retrieving the ball after 6 seconds is largely infeasible and at best
impractical.

It seems posters have come to the considered opinion, or indeed conclusion that pairing Gerrard up with a midfielder of similar ilk would allow
Gerrard to raise his energy levels . It matters not a jot what midfielder you bring in ,because there exists few that would be prepared to sit in
our midfield performing the thankless shift that Lucas currently does covering the chasm in our midfield when Gerrard decides he would sooner
sit in his own half pinging the odd 40/50 yard ball to our one outlet in attack .

I thought Supersub summed it up perfectly in his appraisal.

I don't think anyone , except cheesecakery (WUM), is saying SG should not be involved in every game, but there are some of us a bit more realistic with regards to Gerrard and his contribution for the full 90 minutes. Those who believe he still has "everything in his locker" are seriously deluded and haven't paid close attention to his performances over the last 3 seasons...the decline , though not as apparent as Torres's fall from grace, has been clear for all to see if they take the "big & hard 40 yard blinkers off".......just to re-itterate I would still have him involved in every game but not to the extent he is at the moment......His England aspirations also has a detrimental affect on his Liverpool performances....

In the words of Rodgers

The only time we rest is when we have the ball. When we haven’t got the ball is the moment for intense pressure to get the ball back. But you can’t go for 90 minutes, so in order to recuperate and conserve energy, we’ll do that sometimes by building our way through the game.”

“You cannot go (press) on your own,” he says. “You work on zonal pressure, so that when it is in your zone, you have the capacity to press. That ability to press immediately, within five or six seconds to get the ball, is important. But you also have to understand when you can’t and what the triggers are then to go for it again because you can’t run about like a madman.” Brendan Rodgers

Its fine to regress back to a time when Gerrard was an indomitable figure in our midfield for 90 minutes plus ,but reality has already sunk its teeth into
that particular definition ,and if we're seriously talking about playing Gerrard in every game then we have a problem.

Dont get me wrong we all hanker for a return of the power Gerrard proffered to his performances for the reds ,but the lad needs a wee break after he's
run his heart out for 50 minutes or so  ,at least then we can stand and rightly applaud this legend of the game for another brilliant performance in a red
shirt . I just don't think watching him slink off the pitch struggling for breath after defending for our respective lives for 45 mins affords him the same
form of adoration the lads genius deserves.

[Hustler 2]

I don't think anyone , except cheesecakery (WUM), is saying SG should not be involved in every game,

Hang on Supersub, exactly when did I say that Gerrard should not be involved in every game?

Find one of my posts in this forum where I have said that. 

Was not me.

[Benny The Noon]

Lets get one thing straight ,I don't think anyone is advocating removing Gerrard from our midfield ,rather acting on the sense of being more
practical when the need for a substitution is glaringly obvious. I think expecting Gerrard to expend the energy levels needed for 90 mins to
make a success or even a decent fist of adhering to Rodgers philosophy of retrieving the ball after 6 seconds is largely infeasible and at best
impractical.

It seems posters have come to the considered opinion, or indeed conclusion that pairing Gerrard up with a midfielder of similar ilk would allow
Gerrard to raise his energy levels . It matters not a jot what midfielder you bring in ,because there exists few that would be prepared to sit in
our midfield performing the thankless shift that Lucas currently does covering the chasm in our midfield when Gerrard decides he would sooner
sit in his own half pinging the odd 40/50 yard ball to our one outlet in attack .

I thought Supersub summed it up perfectly in his appraisal.

I don't think anyone , except cheesecakery (WUM), is saying SG should not be involved in every game, but there are some of us a bit more realistic with regards to Gerrard and his contribution for the full 90 minutes. Those who believe he still has "everything in his locker" are seriously deluded and haven't paid close attention to his performances over the last 3 seasons...the decline , though not as apparent as Torres's fall from grace, has been clear for all to see if they take the "big & hard 40 yard blinkers off".......just to re-itterate I would still have him involved in every game but not to the extent he is at the moment......His England aspirations also has a detrimental affect on his Liverpool performances....

In the words of Rodgers

The only time we rest is when we have the ball. When we haven’t got the ball is the moment for intense pressure to get the ball back. But you can’t go for 90 minutes, so in order to recuperate and conserve energy, we’ll do that sometimes by building our way through the game.”

“You cannot go (press) on your own,” he says. “You work on zonal pressure, so that when it is in your zone, you have the capacity to press. That ability to press immediately, within five or six seconds to get the ball, is important. But you also have to understand when you can’t and what the triggers are then to go for it again because you can’t run about like a madman.” Brendan Rodgers

Its fine to regress back to a time when Gerrard was an indomitable figure in our midfield for 90 minutes plus ,but reality has already sunk its teeth into
that particular definition ,and if we're seriously talking about playing Gerrard in every game then we have a problem.

Dont get me wrong we all hanker for a return of the power Gerrard proffered to his performances for the reds ,but the lad needs a wee break after he's
run his heart out for 50 minutes or so  ,at least then we can stand and rightly applaud this legend of the game for another brilliant performance in a red
shirt . I just don't think watching him slink off the pitch struggling for breath after defending for our respective lives for 45 mins affords him the same
form of adoration the lads genius deserves.

Good post.

[supersub]

I don't think anyone , except cheesecakery (WUM), is saying SG should not be involved in every game,

Hang on Supersub, exactly when did I say that Gerrard should not be involved in every game?

Find one of my posts in this forum where I have said that. 

Was not me.

I said cheesecakery.......unless you are cheesecakery........do you recall other nom de plumes you may have used , back in the day

[damjan193]

I agree that Gerrard should be substituted off at some point in some games, especially if we're leading and planning on chasing players for the rest of the game. He can make the attractive typical English sliding tackle every now and then, but that doesn't mean he's doing a great defensive job throughout the whole game. His positioning isn't that bad, but he just doesn't have the legs anymore to chase opposition players around the pitch. But the problem is, who should come in instead of him? Only Allen and Alberto are our options, unless we play some of our defenders as a DM.

[RedAnt]

What if we were to play Gerrard deeper and play Lucas and Hendo in the middle, pressing a little higher? Gerrard would be able to dictate the game from an anchor position and mop up behind the CM's, thus conserving energy and being able to drift forward at his leisure.