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[Benny The Noon]

Always wary of players going into management - especially the top players. The success rate of the top players becoming top managers is very small - especially in this country. Gerrard I think could be just like Robson - top player but just doesn't have the tactical know how to manage - where as I think Carra does - just have to read their Auto Bios and the DVD about Gerrard to see the difference between the two in terms of how they studying the game. For me it's more about the tactics as opposed to the character.

He should have been a sh!t player, then he would be a better manager. Are you also implying Carra isn't that good?

No, he is not. He is saying that in his opinion top players rarely succeed as managers, however he thinks Carra is better suited to the job than Gerrard. For what it's worth, I suspect the same.

However, I do think we need to be careful about elevating one single aspect of mgmt. tactics are important but so is man management, and I've no idea which of them would be best at that. Probably Gerrard, as hardly anyone outside the city understands Jamie's accent!

Exactly that - In no way was I saying or implying that Carra isn't that good !!

[Kenny Kan]

Lovely sweet strike by the Liverpool and England captain last night.

Did you notice how Stevie positioned the ball perfectly without putting his laces through it. Stevie seems to be doing that more often these days since his injury and subsequent operation. Has anybody else noticed that nugget of information......I can feel a why don't you fk off coming on 

The shame of it all.

[metalhead]

dreading the day he retires, been phenomenal the past 3 games.

It's been a pleasure watching him for the last 13 years as a Liverpool supporter (still the young un  )

[Stu the Red]

Are the people who are doing this on some sort of wind up? Praising players like Lucas and Henderson and slating one of our best players?

"I've heard embarrassing statements like Lucas is better than Gerrard".

"Its Gerrard's fault we're sitting to deep".

"Henderson would offer more than Gerrard".

And whatever the f*ck the other ones I don't even care to remember are.

The lad, even at thirty three still has everything in his locker. He can still score a goal, set a goal up, pass a ball, take a touch, influence a game, win a tackle, carry the ball. He's still quicker and stronger than just about every player in the side.

If we had another 10 on the pitch that are as "bad" as him we'd probably win 38 out 38.

A few years ago, Sami Hyypia was getting slated, everyone was saying how he was finished, lost his pace etc etc. The lad had a bad season because next to him he had Bambi (Traore), It was no coincidence that as soon as Traore was removed. Hyypia's form increased ten fold. The same thing applies here, its the players around the captain that aren't upto it, not the captain himself.

[Hustler 2]

Are the people who are doing this on some sort of wind up? Praising players like Lucas and Henderson and slating one of our best players?

"I've heard embarrassing statements like Lucas is better than Gerrard".

"Its Gerrard's fault we're sitting to deep".

"Henderson would offer more than Gerrard".

And whatever the f*ck the other ones I don't even care to remember are.

The lad, even at thirty three still has everything in his locker. He can still score a goal, set a goal up, pass a ball, take a touch, influence a game, win a tackle, carry the ball. He's still quicker and stronger than just about every player in the side.

If we had another 10 on the pitch that are as "bad" as him we'd probably win 38 out 38.

A few years ago, Sami Hyypia was getting slated, everyone was saying how he was finished, lost his pace etc etc. The lad had a bad season because next to him he had Bambi (Traore), It was no coincidence that as soon as Traore was removed. Hyypia's for increased ten fold. The same thing applies here, its the players around the captain that aren't upto it, not the captain himself.

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

[metalhead]

I thought Gerrard carried Lucas in the Aston Villa game and has done ever so well, been our best player on the pitch (well wasn't entirely his best against Swansea) he still makes the runs (as he showed against Stoke and Mancs) and definitely covered a lot of ground. I will disgaree with anyone who says that he shouldn't be in our side, we would definitely miss his influence in midfield.

[RedAnt]

Still the main man. No question. I don't think he's been himself so far this season. He looks jaded, mentally. Didnt he play every minute of last season up until his injury? And the time after was spent rehabilitating. Add in his England games and he must be exhausted.

But how do you rest Gerrard when we're sitting top? If we did rest him and lost our next game, fingers would be pointed. But the lad can't keep going at this rate. Yet we have no genuine alternative. I'd be tempted to give Toure a go in midfield.

As people have noted though, we're 4 games into the season. Talk of resting players and having no cover shouldn't be an issue until later. Ah well.

In B-rod (and Gerrard) we trust.

[The Good Yank]

I may have made a comment in the match thread that may have been a bit critical of our Midfield.  Gerrard included.  But it in know way was a knock on the player himself.  For me it was about the tactics and setup of the team that allowed us to get over run by Jonjo f*cking Shelvey (along with support of 4 other midfielders).  We just got over run in the numbers game. 

Still think Stevie is our best player shile Suarez is serving his ban.  Just think he isn't being utilized correctly.

[Kenny Kan]

Are the people who are doing this on some sort of wind up? Praising players like Lucas and Henderson and slating one of our best players?

"I've heard embarrassing statements like Lucas is better than Gerrard".

"Its Gerrard's fault we're sitting to deep".

"Henderson would offer more than Gerrard".

And whatever the f*ck the other ones I don't even care to remember are.

The lad, even at thirty three still has everything in his locker. He can still score a goal, set a goal up, pass a ball, take a touch, influence a game, win a tackle, carry the ball. He's still quicker and stronger than just about every player in the side.


If we had another 10 on the pitch that are as "bad" as him we'd probably win 38 out 38.

A few years ago, Sami Hyypia was getting slated, everyone was saying how he was finished, lost his pace etc etc. The lad had a bad season because next to him he had Bambi (Traore), It was no coincidence that as soon as Traore was removed. Hyypia's for increased ten fold. The same thing applies here, its the players around the captain that aren't upto it, not the captain himself.

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

 

TTTTIIIIIMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY

[supersub]

stu remove your head from your ar$e and watch the game....

[Benny The Noon]

Let's be honest now and understand that Gerrard is not the player he was 5 years ago when he was rampaging through the Prem alongside Torres.

Injuries and age have forced him to change his game and we should no longer judge him on what we saw before from him

I agree that he shouldn't play every minute because he tries after about 60-70 mins and we need to protect him ( just like the Mancs did with Giggs ) . The prob is Gerrard isn't helping matters by continuing to play International football - he IMO should have retired to prolong his club career.

I think next season could be his last because you can see this season he is starting to suffer late in the game. The problem is he is still one of our best players ! We can't leave him out because we don't have better to play instead of him.

[supersub]

I don't think anyone , except cheesecakery (WUM), is saying SG should not be involved in every game, but there are some of us a bit more realistic with regards to Gerrard and his contribution for the full 90 minutes. Those who believe he still has "everything in his locker" are seriously deluded and haven't paid close attention to his performances over the last 3 seasons...the decline , though not as apparent as Torres's fall from grace, has been clear for all to see if they take the "big & hard 40 yard blinkers off".......just to re-itterate I would still have him involved in every game but not to the extent he is at the moment......His England aspirations also has a detrimental affect on his Liverpool performances....

[Fowler_E7]

I have to agree some of the statements I’ve been reading about Gerrard recently have been ridiculous, anyone stating Lucas, Henderson or Allen should be starting ahead of him need their head tested IMO. Gerrard is still a great player who is by far the best central midfielder we have, however father time is catching up with him and he isn’t quite the same player he was in terms of completely dominating every game he plays for 90 mins week in week out. At this stage of his career Gerrard shouldn’t be playing in Carling Cup and Early FA cup rounds and if we ever get into a position where we have a comfortable lead I would consider bringing him of around 70-75 mins to preserve him as he is still that important to the team.

I agree with Ace and Stu in that Gerrard is no where near finished and isn’t the problem in this team, it’s the tactics and the average centre midfielders playing next to him, put Xabi Alonso next to Gerrard and see how much better our Central midfield would be for example.

[RedAnt]

In regards to his international career, Gerrards old school. He's from an age where playing for club and country is both a privelage and honour. It's his loyalty and passion to this idea that still has him giving 100% week in week out. A Gerrard who'd quit as captain of his country is not the Gerrard we know and love.

[LFC1990]

Gerrard is our number 1 midfielder no questions asked.

He isnt the player he used to be but still feels he needs to carry the team. Look at Pirlo as he got older he played a smaller yet a very significant part for both club and country.

Gerrard is the same. He doesnt have to/Need to chase everything we have Henderson who is younger and more of an engine. Gerrard should take up the Alonso role and everyone knows how much Alonso is adored by the fans.