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[woof woof !]

It’s not really up to us to say whether we should take this gamble. How many of us have watched him play?

Its up to Rafa and the scouts to watch full games on TV, and go watch him live. And if Rafa thinks he is worth the gamble and we can afford the gamble in out current situation then he will decide.

God knows how good this guy will turn out, for every Ronaldo and Ronaldinho there is a Denilson and Ortega.

Starting to get the feeling your a "glass is half empty " kinda guy Luke .   

Of course it's not up to us , but thanks for reminding us anyway . 

All speculation aside EVEN if Rafa had a rush of blood to the head and signed the lad ,they'd still be the problem of a work permit (wouldn't there ? ) .

[GOAT]

It’s not really up to us to say whether we should take this gamble. How many of us have watched him play?

Its up to Rafa and the scouts to watch full games on TV, and go watch him live. And if Rafa thinks he is worth the gamble and we can afford the gamble in out current situation then he will decide.

God knows how good this guy will turn out, for every Ronaldo and Ronaldinho there is a Denilson and Ortega.

Exactly

[Cool Hand Luke]

It’s not really up to us to say whether we should take this gamble. How many of us have watched him play?

Its up to Rafa and the scouts to watch full games on TV, and go watch him live. And if Rafa thinks he is worth the gamble and we can afford the gamble in out current situation then he will decide.

God knows how good this guy will turn out, for every Ronaldo and Ronaldinho there is a Denilson and Ortega.

Starting to get the feeling your a "glass is half empty " kinda guy Luke .   

Of course it's not up to us , but thanks for reminding us anyway . 

All speculation aside EVEN if Rafa had a rush of blood to the head and signed the lad ,they'd still be the problem of a work permit (wouldn't there ? ) .

LOL

I’m not a glass half empty sort of guy, just a realist who likes to think of every possibility. If Rafa has watched him both live and in on TV in full games, and he thinks he is worth spending that sort of money on then I would support his decision.

But since I haven’t seen him live or in full matches on TV, only compilation clips, I wouldn’t say we must take the gamble, I’m not qualified to make that statement.

I have a lot of confidence in Rafa approach to the transfer market and believe he will make the right decisions more often than not.

I know it’s exciting when we get linked with the latest new flavour of the month, but a care free approach to transfers is what does damage to clubs.

[48-1119859832]

I know it’s exciting when we get linked with the latest new flavour of the month, but a care free approach to transfers is what does damage to clubs.

Like Houllier (I just thought I'd say it before some smart (a)rse does. 

[LFCFan4Life]

Benitez did take a gamble, he took it on Xabi Alonso [with apperance clauses we've payed 14 million pounds] but Benitez was confident in Xabi and it turned out to be the right move.

[Cool Hand Luke]

Benitez did take a gamble, he took it on Xabi Alonso [with apperance clauses we've payed 14 million pounds] but Benitez was confident in Xabi and it turned out to be the right move.

Its true it was a gamble but it is not comparable to the situation with this kid.

Alonso was 22, he had already made a big impact in a one of the top 2 European Leagues as a first team player, big clubs such as Man Utd and Real Madrid openly declared an interest in him and even made bids, I’m pretty sure he was already a full Spanish international.

This kid in only 17, has played only 1 season of first team football in an average league. Unless he some sort of Rooney (physically and mentally advanced for his age) paying double figures would be risky.

But ultimately I trust Rafa, if he buy him then he will do it with a lot of consideration.

[pur3 rav3r]

with benitez i just feel like every move he makes is right dont ask me y but i would trust him with any player he would like to bring in and it would feel like he is doing the right thing.

[gato_busta]

Benitez did take a gamble, he took it on Xabi Alonso [with apperance clauses we've payed 14 million pounds] but Benitez was confident in Xabi and it turned out to be the right move.

Its true it was a gamble but it is not comparable to the situation with this kid.

Alonso was 22, he had already made a big impact in a one of the top 2 European Leagues as a first team player, big clubs such as Man Utd and Real Madrid openly declared an interest in him and even made bids, I’m pretty sure he was already a full Spanish international.

This kid in only 17, has played only 1 season of first team football in an average league. Unless he some sort of Rooney (physically and mentally advanced for his age) paying double figures would be risky.

But ultimately I trust Rafa, if he buy him then he will do it with a lot of consideration.

he made his debut at age 15, making him the youngest player to start on first division in argentina (and meaning he has been playing in the league for 2 years). I wouldn't consider their league average, its probably the most competitive one in South America. He is a gamble, yes but he is also a very promising player. That plus every player is a gamble, you never know who might succeed or who might be a fluke.

[ivor_the_injun]

The way I look at this is in comparison to the Le Tallec and Pongolle deals. Loads of posters here have moaned about Houllier throwing money at kids that didn't come good (more so TLT than Pongolle, I have to say), but that was only a few million for the pair of them.

If our club spends £15m on a player, they have to be proven. If we're looking at 17-year-olds, we need to be investing sub-£2m amounts. We simply can't throw most of our transfer budget at someone of that age - there are far more sensible deals out there.

He may look like Maradona in clips reels, but until he's come up against defenders with a physical game that have a clue, that kind of money is an outrageous gamble. I've seen clips where the guy has phenomenal touch, but for the most part the defenders in all of this footage look like they've never seen a football in their lives.

[Lando_Griffin]

Personally, I would try and get him on trial for a couple of weeks, set Carra and Sami on him, and see what he can do.

If he impresses against those two, he'll beat the living sh*t out of any CD pairing in Europe.

[Kukilon]

Personally, I would try and get him on trial for a couple of weeks, set Carra and Sami on him, and see what he can do.

If he impresses against those two, he'll beat the living sh*t out of any CD pairing in Europe.

This is exactly what should be done. But I still think the price is to high though.

[joko]

Benitez did take a gamble, he took it on Xabi Alonso [with apperance clauses we've payed 14 million pounds] but Benitez was confident in Xabi and it turned out to be the right move.

Its true it was a gamble but it is not comparable to the situation with this kid.

Alonso was 22, he had already made a big impact in a one of the top 2 European Leagues as a first team player, big clubs such as Man Utd and Real Madrid openly declared an interest in him and even made bids, I’m pretty sure he was already a full Spanish international.

This kid in only 17, has played only 1 season of first team football in an average league. Unless he some sort of Rooney (physically and mentally advanced for his age) paying double figures would be risky.

But ultimately I trust Rafa, if he buy him then he will do it with a lot of consideration.

i'm with luke on this
xabi was of course differ. i was made up with his arrival despite his no-cheap price, but he has shown his level where he belongs to at that moment already, and i've never read this capture was taken as  a gambling. lotsa people have at least read or sneaked at his performance and everybody was happy knowing his coming.

sergio to be an exception knowing his age, maturity, wider space to explore, and his experience. Therefore, in some levels, should rafa land him, it would be a gambling.

[The Specialist]

Personally, I would try and get him on trial for a couple of weeks, set Carra and Sami on him, and see what he can do.

If he impresses against those two, he'll beat the living sh*t out of any CD pairing in Europe.

This is exactly what should be done. But I still think the price is to high though.

That's something that would never happen in this situation. Simply because it puts Independiente at risk regarding how much they can for Aguero. If he doesn't work out and we didn't pursue our interest afterwards, questions start to come up and his "next big thing" value takes a hit an drops somewhat. Or you get people going "Well, I only think he's worth x amount. Either we do business at x amount or nothing," and the seller's hand is forced because of the threat of what I just explained. You trial kids and unknowns, this is hardly a "hard sell" situation where that option is available from people who will gladly try and convince you all you want to purchase.  Ideally, it would be nice. Like I said, though, would never would happen and is ridiculous to even think of it..

Btw, I heard that someone other than his club owns 25 percent of his transfer. Could be a factor of why they are asking so much, to compensate. Only a rumor, though. Anyway, it's still alot of money. If we could do a structured deal around appearances, etc - then perhaps it might not be SUCH a heavy gamble. Unfortunately, you need to put up the cash now to reep the potential rewards if there is any to be had later on.

[anti-hero]

Personally, I would try and get him on trial for a couple of weeks, set Carra and Sami on him, and see what he can do.

If he impresses against those two, he'll beat the living sh*t out of any CD pairing in Europe.

This is exactly what should be done. But I still think the price is to high though.

That's something that would never happen in this situation. Simply because it puts Independiente at risk regarding how much they can for Aguero. If he doesn't work out and we didn't pursue our interest afterwards, questions start to come up and his "next big thing" value takes a hit an drops somewhat. Or you get people going "Well, I only think he's worth x amount. Either we do business at x amount or nothing," and the seller's hand is forced because of the threat of what I just explained. You trial kids and unknowns, this is hardly a "hard sell" situation where that option is available from people who will gladly try and convince you all you want to purchase.  Ideally, it would be nice. Like I said, though, would never would happen and is ridiculous to even think of it..

Btw, I heard that someone other than his club owns 25 percent of his transfer. Could be a factor of why they are asking so much, to compensate. Only a rumor, though. Anyway, it's still alot of money. If we could do a structured deal around appearances, etc - then perhaps it might not be SUCH a heavy gamble. Unfortunately, you need to put up the cash now to reep the potential rewards if there is any to be had later on.

  The Argentinian "Sabre".. 

[The Specialist]

I'm not the Argentinian "Sabre". I think that's an insult to Sabre.  
That would be a title better used for "gato_busta".  He's given good info here. I don't know if he's Argentinian or just follows the league, though. Quite frankly, I think I post nothing but average gossip or footballing points of view. If anyone is amused or takes anything away, then good.