Liverpool FC Forum

[Paul C]

bottom line is, the results speak for themselves, we have taken several steps back.

lost more games than stoke, equal on points with birmingham, and 5 points behind villa

we seem to be in freefall

any other manager would be sacked now, why should rafa be immune

we are in danger of returning to the souness era of results

we have a team of a few talented individuals, no depth, with no team cohesion - we are unable to finish a team off, and we concede quickly. we look like portsmouth, ffs

regardless if you love rafa, want his kids or whatever, the time has come to replace. we have reached our pinnacle with him, and we seem to a reached the top with it, now we are on the slippery slope downwards.

i will say thanks for the 2005 cl win, but we need to win the EPL, it aint happening so see ya mate

Agreed.
He plainly cannot motivate the team to perform, never mind outperform their individual limitations.
There's widescale malaise at the club and it should be cut away. Alonso wanted away because of Rafa and his lack of man-management skills. Not once did we hear Rafa profess to want to keep him there. Masch is looking the same. I can see Torres doing the same. And Gerrard lamenting the fact he didn't move a couple of seasons ago when he had the chance. Carragher looking like he is just playing down the days till he stops playing....
Not a pair of balls between the lot of them on the pitch. It's a phuckin' disgrace. Right now, I can't say there's a single player who deserves to be wearing that shirt. Nor does Rafa deserve that badge...

Your bob on there, my main concern with Rafa is that he cannot man manage, that what Pako was there for, imo a manager should be able to put his arm round a player who is down and make him feel like the best player on the planet, thats exactly what Shanks did with Keagan, this is one of the problems Houllier suffered from and one of his major downfalls 

[Judge]

wigan, Portmouth, Wolves, 9 points or hes gone.

currently 2 wins in 15 - he has to go now

i bet he goes tonight

whats the odds on that dawson, your a bookie ??

Three wins in 15 - bitters, mancs, Debrecen
Eight defeats in 15 - Beachball, Fiorentina x2, Lyon, Chelsea, Arsenal x2 and Fulham.

Of the eight defeats we would have hoped to have at least avoided defeat in the home games (x3) and possibly SOL and CC away. Given the position of the bitters and Debrecen the only truly impressive result was against the mancs, even if beating the bitters is always good.

oops, was typing fast hit the 2 button instead of 3...sorry

3 wins in 15, as ive said in previous posts to this one quoted and before

[tubby]

Why do people keep saying Mourinho?

1) The guy lacks any class
2) Even if we did want him we couldn't as he is not going to come here with zero budget

Why? Lack of imagination, far too much respect for an over-rated gobshite

For me there is only one manager who can win leagues and reach European Cup finals without spending £20m+ on players and we faced his side yesterday. He's won two doubles in face of the mancs' superiour spending, rebuilt the side at least three times and finishes top 3-4 consistently even with other sides spending more. Rafa spent over twice what Wenger has since Rafa arrived, spending roughly what Johnson cost as an average seasonal spend.

fergie has more trophies, so too has Josie (just about), but they'd be seriously exposed if put in charge at Arsenal with other sides having much bigger budgets than them (for a change)

I agree Wenger is unrivalled in his ability to challange whilst balancing the books. But I don't see your point. It's not like any other manager can compare in that respect. Are you saying we should get Wenger? 

[dawson99]

Why do people keep saying Mourinho?

1) The guy lacks any class
2) Even if we did want him we couldn't as he is not going to come here with zero budget

Why? Lack of imagination, far too much respect for an over-rated gobshite

For me there is only one manager who can win leagues and reach European Cup finals without spending £20m+ on players and we faced his side yesterday. He's won two doubles in face of the mancs' superiour spending, rebuilt the side at least three times and finishes top 3-4 consistently even with other sides spending more. Rafa spent over twice what Wenger has since Rafa arrived, spending roughly what Johnson cost as an average seasonal spend.

fergie has more trophies, so too has Josie (just about), but they'd be seriously exposed if put in charge at Arsenal with other sides having much bigger budgets than them (for a change)

I agree Wenger is unrivalled in his ability to challange whilst balancing the books. But I don't see your point. It's not like any other manager can compare in that respect. Are you saying we should get Wenger? 

im saying lets just use Sammy Lee, coz at the moment it just aint working.

[lakes10]

so what if he is arrogant? the same fans here who were applauding SOS's attack on the owners' cars are saying he is arrogant? wasn't Shankly arrogant too or was it considered witty back then? put it this way, the only reason why you people cannot stand him is because he got on your nerves as he was a manager for our rivals. if he was managing us and were to tell the everton fans to "shhh" you people will be wetting yourselves. and just because it is your assumption that he cannot manage a club without money doesn't mean he truly can't. sure the next thing will be comments about how he is a media whore. but look, putting most of the attention on himself takes alot of pressure off the players and that is very good man management to me. rafa? oh yeah we created chances   pathetic.

Read the Hicks thread , were Ciggy put up an official post from one of the lads on the commitee of SOS. maybe your idea of attacked and our idea of attacked is different, was his car smashed up no , did any of them get hurt no, Sos blocked the gates and the bizzies turned the car around , simple, no attacking going on there 

Nan there are some photo about that show a car smashed up and fan trying to pull a policeman off a horse are they real, i have not seen them yet and i have looked on the next but can not see them, going by the radio they dont look good.

got to say that it would not be hard to take a photo from any old 1980's game and make it look upto date with photoshop.

[tubby]

Why do people keep saying Mourinho?

1) The guy lacks any class
2) Even if we did want him we couldn't as he is not going to come here with zero budget

Why? Lack of imagination, far too much respect for an over-rated gobshite

For me there is only one manager who can win leagues and reach European Cup finals without spending £20m+ on players and we faced his side yesterday. He's won two doubles in face of the mancs' superiour spending, rebuilt the side at least three times and finishes top 3-4 consistently even with other sides spending more. Rafa spent over twice what Wenger has since Rafa arrived, spending roughly what Johnson cost as an average seasonal spend.

fergie has more trophies, so too has Josie (just about), but they'd be seriously exposed if put in charge at Arsenal with other sides having much bigger budgets than them (for a change)

I agree Wenger is unrivalled in his ability to challange whilst balancing the books. But I don't see your point. It's not like any other manager can compare in that respect. Are you saying we should get Wenger? 

im saying lets just use Sammy Lee, coz at the moment it just aint working.

I think Sammy is better suited to being an assistant. If Rafa were to go id put Kenny in place till the end of the season. Kenny would need someone for an assistant anyway as he has been out of the game for so long.

[lakes10]

Why do people keep saying Mourinho?

1) The guy lacks any class
2) Even if we did want him we couldn't as he is not going to come here with zero budget

Why? Lack of imagination, far too much respect for an over-rated gobshite

For me there is only one manager who can win leagues and reach European Cup finals without spending £20m+ on players and we faced his side yesterday. He's won two doubles in face of the mancs' superiour spending, rebuilt the side at least three times and finishes top 3-4 consistently even with other sides spending more. Rafa spent over twice what Wenger has since Rafa arrived, spending roughly what Johnson cost as an average seasonal spend.

fergie has more trophies, so too has Josie (just about), but they'd be seriously exposed if put in charge at Arsenal with other sides having much bigger budgets than them (for a change)

I agree Wenger is unrivalled in his ability to challange whilst balancing the books. But I don't see your point. It's not like any other manager can compare in that respect. Are you saying we should get Wenger? 

im saying lets just use Sammy Lee, coz at the moment it just aint working.

Sammy would only ever be given 2 games to run the team, the owners dont unless there was someone by his side.

from what i understood the owners are having problems looking for another manager and that is why Rafa is still here (i only base that on what i was told from a press report and i was told that 3 weeks ago).

[tubby]

I agree Wenger is unrivalled in his ability to challange whilst balancing the books. But I don't see your point. It's not like any other manager can compare in that respect. Are you saying we should get Wenger? 

im saying lets just use Sammy Lee, coz at the moment it just aint working.

Sammy would only ever be given 2 games to run the team, the owners dont unless there was someone by his side.

from what i understood the owners are having problems looking for another manager and that is why Rafa is still here (i only base that on what i was told from a press report and i was told that 3 weeks ago).[/quote]
Maybe now they have clocked onto the fact that no decent manager would even want to work for them.

[dawson99]

Maybe now they have clocked onto the fact that no decent manager would even want to work for them.

well no decent manager is working for them now, so there'd be no change there 

[Octsky]

Actually i want Rafa sacked after we lose the first leg against Lyon.
but to be fair, we played superbly against Gooners in the first half, look at how gooners get in front (1) a own goal by Johnson which is worthy of investigation by the FA (2) a super goal from Ashavin, no goal keeper in the world can save that.

So in football sh.1..t happens, if Johnson didnt scored that own goal, i am confident we will have trashed gooners.
If we played like that (first half vs Gooners) every game, i wouldnt even have to check the results to know that we have won.

We show that we still can play good football and need to bounce back against Wigan.
If we still played like a55 against Wigan...then Rafa must go.

[redbeergoggles]

If you are looking for the best then there's only one candidate obviously and it's Mourinho. Whether or not you'd get him is entirely a different question,

Sorry Michael but the wording,of this post has me a touch confused ,I don't comprehend how you  suddenly refer to you would get him  ,as oppose to we would get him ,almost as if you have portrayed yourself as a completely separate entity ,Is it just a simple grammatical error on your behalf , or our you attempting  to totally distance yourself from the club .......
 
I literally do read between the lines Mick ,its an occupational hazard that goes with the job I'm afraid ,and yours has me slightly disconcerted your not thinking of jumping ship are you big  fella     

[Judge]

BRING BACK DALGLISH INTO THE MANAGERS ROLE NOW 

[puroresu]

We need a change.  The 2nd half yesterday was disgraceful.  Awful stuff. I cant see this side putting a run together of 5 or 6 wins on the bounce.  Just cant see it happening.

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BRING BACK DALGLISH INTO THE MANAGERS ROLE NOW 

Spot on again Judge   

[Penguins]

Oh dear.... plz come to back to now