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[Owzat]

I personally think we should give the manager every opportunity to turn things around. I think this for two reasons.

1. He deserves it.

Based on............? It's hard to disagree with lakes' 12 points, three more than Rafa has picked up in the last eight games.

2. Unless it is categorically proven that he isn't going to do the business, no new manager will be given a fair crack of the whip. So keen are people to be proven correct, that any success he had would only be "Rafa's success really" and if he didn't start too well, they'd be all over him. No, lets give the manager every opportunity to make peoples minds up once and for all.

You could argue it either way, you can't "categorically prove" a manager isn't going to do the business any more than you can "categorically prove" he will. At what stage do you kick out a disruptive or truant child from school? Not first instance, but with plenty of evidence not much is going to change you consider terminal action. He's in his sixth season and has more obvious weaknesses than I care for.

Do the same people who defended Houllier to the death regret Rafa coming in? Point being the same arguments to keep Rafa would have applied when Houllier was in charge, when Evans was in charge etc. Did they get the fergie "seven years"? Did Souness? The argument "is there anybody better?" is lame, the goal is to win the league and the current incumbent isn't doing it. Either TRY someone else or accept being second, third or fourth best (at best)

I'm working on spending of the big clubs, and one or two little clubs like villa and the bitters to confirm or expose their fans' claims they spend zilch, over the time Rafa has been at Anfield. I need to do some more work on it as some fees are easier to establish than others. It should be by season so common myths about X spending more than Y should be exposed. spudz seem to be the biggest wasters, not a good points return yet big spenders. I think the only team to outspend us is Chelsea, although I haven't added Citeh in yet. Man Utd spend more per player on average, but less overall with less chopping and changing you would expect when a side has changed manager. I did think about including "net spend", but it means jac ksh it so quickly dismissed it.

[tonyeh]

I think there have been enough lines in the sand drawn for Benitez.

I also think that the only way Liverpool can compete for a Prem win is if the other contenders screw it up themselves as Liverpool cannot be relied on to win enough matches to do it on their own merit and I'm truly fed up with that situation.

He is far too rigid. Far, FAR too rigid in everything he does and unless he changes his approach, Liverpool will never win the league with his hand in the tiller.

The main problem is, is that Benitez has somehow managed to manover himself into a position whereby he's swiped himself a long contract and will extract a huge amount from the club if he's sacked.

Personally, I would like to see him go and caretaker Kenny step in for the remainder of the season as I think Benitez really has taken it as far as he can.

[Keris]

Sure Rafa is at fault for us being at our current state.

But is it all down to him?
What about the players he sent out weekly? Have they been playing to their best of their ability?
Has Skrtel & Kyriagos learn from their mistakes?
Does Dossena even want to play in the red jersey?
Does Babel have the right attitude to be a professional footballer?
Will the likes of Lucas and Insua improve from their current ability?
Is Riera able to play more than just one half of a football match?
Will Dagan or Voronin ever show us they are worthy of the red shirt?

Sack Rafa? Sure, if he is not doing the job what he was paid to do.
Can we do the same of the players who have let us down?

[dawson99]

Sure Rafa is at fault for us being at our current state.

But is it all down to him?
What about the players he sent out weekly? Have they been playing to their best of their ability?
Has Skrtel & Kyriagos learn from their mistakes?
Does Dossena even want to play in the red jersey?
Does Babel have the right attitude to be a professional footballer?
Will the likes of Lucas and Insua improve from their current ability?
Is Riera able to play more than just one half of a football match?
Will Dagan or Voronin ever show us they are worthy of the red shirt?

Sack Rafa? Sure, if he is not doing the job what he was paid to do.
Can we do the same of the players who have let us down?

If only a football club had some kind of figurehead who was in charge of these players 

[maypaxvobiscum]

Sure Rafa is at fault for us being at our current state.

But is it all down to him?
What about the players he sent out weekly? Have they been playing to their best of their ability?
Has Skrtel & Kyriagos learn from their mistakes?
Does Dossena even want to play in the red jersey?
Does Babel have the right attitude to be a professional footballer?
Will the likes of Lucas and Insua improve from their current ability?
Is Riera able to play more than just one half of a football match?
Will Dagan or Voronin ever show us they are worthy of the red shirt?

Sack Rafa? Sure, if he is not doing the job what he was paid to do.
Can we do the same of the players, all whom rafa brought to the club,who have let us down?

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[maypaxvobiscum]

you know the injury excuses can simply be wiped out by the Manure's result last night when they had Carrick, Park and Evra in defence and still won 3-1. hated it. i just hated seeing Judas score 3 goals and to think we didnt go for him when we could have gotten him for free.

Do you mean you agree to Liverpool FC sacking their manager on the pretext that Manu beat Wolfsburg 3-1....Does this train of thought mean if Manu get beat Rafa gets the maypax reprieve

nope. see, injuries is an excuse use often this season. and some posters harp on how "you can take 3 top players from every team and they wont be the same". the result yesterday proved that all these rose tinted brigade are living in denial and keep coming up with excuse after excuse as to why we're doing badly.


1) manure had so many players out but yet they won. they used 3-4-1-2 if im not wrong to adapt to their situation while rafa being rafa would have been too rigid and have no creativity or guts to play 2 strikers.
2) even if their players were playing out of position, they did what they needed to do. they had collective responsibility and were motivated which is everything our players lack. rafa is not doing enough to re-discover the team spirit.

[account deleted by request]

I have always believed you should wait till the end of the season if possible before making a final decision on a manager. I think the situation we now face is serious enough that if Rafa hasn't got the team playing well by Christmas it might be time for him to go. Maybe a new manager can lift the players, cut out some of the deadwood and get the team playing good and successful football again.

[maguskwt]

I don't want the manager sacked but I'm putting that thought in here... 

[lakes10]

Sure Rafa is at fault for us being at our current state.

But is it all down to him?
What about the players he sent out weekly? Have they been playing to their best of their ability?
Has Skrtel & Kyriagos learn from their mistakes?
Does Dossena even want to play in the red jersey?
Does Babel have the right attitude to be a professional footballer?
Will the likes of Lucas and Insua improve from their current ability?
Is Riera able to play more than just one half of a football match?
Will Dagan or Voronin ever show us they are worthy of the red shirt?

Sack Rafa? Sure, if he is not doing the job what he was paid to do.
Can we do the same of the players who have let us down?

Rafa picks and buys the players mate, if you are say the players can not do the job then the blame must go to the preson that got them............Rafa.

[ConnO'var]

i just hated seeing Judas score 3 goals and to think we didnt go for him when we could have gotten him for free.

You can hang a lot of things on Rafa's door.... and I do.... but this I cannot agree with, mate.

Michael Owen should never wear the red of LFC EVER again in my book.

[account deleted by request]

i just hated seeing Judas score 3 goals and to think we didnt go for him when we could have gotten him for free.

You can hang a lot of things on Rafa's door.... and I do.... but this I cannot agree with, mate.

Michael Owen should never wear the red of LFC EVER again in my book.

Sorry Conn, I agree with Maypax mate. I think we would have quite a few more points now and might still be in the CL if Owen had come back in the summer. Obviously now he has played for the mancs he should never wear our shirt again.

[kazza]

To coin a phrase "sh1t thread"

To lock a thread with 109 pages of cr@p only to open another one no doubt this will shed light that has not previously been shed. 

To use your Sh.it analogy....

When the bowl is full, probably best to flush and leave a clean toilet for the next person to sh.it on. 

I'm sure there will be some sh.itting done here for awhile.

  well when you put it that way, I can't really argue. There is a method to the madness.

[kazza]

shocking nothing post from kazza

yawn

  don't upset that pretty little head of yours.

[dawson99]

Kazza, please. One day, post something actually about football and Liverpool.

Cheers

It's a decent thread, it i showing how people feel about him now

[kazza]

Kazza, please. One day, post something actually about football and Liverpool.

Cheers

It's a decent thread, it i showing how people feel about him now

OK

Anyone that thinks we should sack Raffa is an idiot. Wow! My first football post! Hooya!

Thanks Daws