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[JC_81]

Also, Lucas was again a complete disgrace. As Beglin described him (who i hardly ever agree with btw) a liability!

Would rather see Jay Spearing given a chance if I'm honest.

Agree with you both, I am not a fan of Lucas at all.

First time I've ever agreed with Beglin on something by the way

I've been holding back saying what I really think of Lucas but my mind's made up now.  He's complete bollox.  Can't read the game and can't tackle.  Makes poor decisions and offers no creativity.

Needs punted back to Brazil ASAP

[Toffeehater]

1) read back a couple of pages , how fans rate carragher and how you rate it .


2) So van basten has no clue does he? No wonder he was a legendary player and oh what club did you used to play for stu?

3) Yes they are based on history , they've done all in europe for the past few seasons and they only won the league last year , before that it was barca who dominated for a couple of season

I said Carragher was no way as bad as he was made out in the past and no way as good as he's been made out to be by our fans recently.

I never once said he's average. He isn't. Even though he has quite a few average attributes.

Coaching and playing mean have all to do with each other. Souness as a player, amazing. As a manager, average. Benitez and Mourinho as players... Nope... as "coaches" the best around.

The most successful club in europe, good example that lad.

They are the most successful club in europe , when was the last time they won the champions league with their squad?

What a poor answer to the van basten question .


Lets just leave it as it is than shall we?

[Toffeehater]

Around the 63rd minute Babel was on a counter with Gerrard on the left level with their defence,
all it took was an early pass but he held onto it and passed it when it was too late.

I think that was typical Babel to be honest.

Did well for the pen tho.

I agree with you 100%

And I have to ask, do you think Jamie Carragher would have beaten the same way the Marseille defender was? Firstly by the 60 yard floated pass (which I believe 90% of decent centre halves would have dealt with) and secondly by the way he committed himself when the opposition player no support?

I think not.

Lets look at it another way, the defender deals with the long ball properly in the first place, the gamegoes on as normal, what else did Babel do in the ninety minutes?

Also, Lucas was again a complete disgrace. As Beglin described him (who i hardly ever agree with btw) a liability!

The whole defense was beaten by lorik cana let alone jamie carragher .

Babel held up the ball on his own , made some nice dribbles , some good tackles and got us a penalty . Not a 10/10 performance but at least a 7 and better from all the usual sh!te that he's been performing , created chances for himself , the nice first touch one early on , the one of the post and the one which he hit straight into the keeper , can't blame him though , i don't think he had the time to aim .

[faldo]

i've noticed this season fernando's 1st touch has been a bit heavy,but i put it down to the long euro season and he needs rest.the strange thing is babel and kuyt in particular also seem a bit heavy in the 1st touch department this season, i hope they are not feeling tired too.

[metalhead]

Faldo, Kuyt and Babel already have poor first touch, especially Kuyt.

[Effes]

Faldo ? 

[ruskiy playmaker]

He has really improved his game, judging by his performances vs. Manure and Marseille.  Last season he seemed weak and lost many times, but it looks like he's worked on improving those areas.  I'm just wondering how Rafa will use him, considering he's got a big rival on the left side now.

[Number 9]

Lucas makes Babel look like Zidane!
NOW before i get hammered,I do not for one second feel that Babel will ever be in the league of such a great player as Zidane.
I do though feel that the gulf between him and Lucas is equal to that of a decent player and shi'te one.....as obvious as a hard on on a rabid dog on heat compaired to a nutured kitten,balless bull or ram with no co,ck!

Lucas is an awful player,I've said it before.I cant find the thread.He is fuc,king dire,terrible!,I dont like his hair..he runs about the pitch after 5 minutes of play looking like a coked up rockstar with no record deal,half the time i see him play i expect Amy Whinehouse to call him off to head down to Camden for a few lines!
He is fuc'king awful,he has the ball control of a bull on speed,the tact of a senial shire horse unhoofed,unleashed and the brain of a geriatric pensioner that is gonna kill someone at draughts ,bridge or monopoly!
I hate him as a player,always have and always will...this is ONE signing that Rafa got mega wrong,i dont believe for a second our scouts done a good job here!
They heard Brazilian young player of the year or whatever,but failed to look at what the award was for..I'd say it was for "Shitest young Brazilian player of the year"
Get him out,he is fuc'king dire.if folk want to criticise our players look no further,this guy is a mess and nowhere near good enough!
BTW im not big up on putting our players down but once in a while someone stands out,and no,this is not just based on his last nights effort...HE HAS PRACTICALLY NEVER HAD A GOOD GAME FOR LFC!!

[Number 9]

Faldo ? 

Ryder cup captain of Europe...You daft??

[Bad Bob]

Tonight was Babel in a nutshell. He took up some very good positions, made some nice driving runs, showed a fantastic bit of skill to carve out a shot off of the Kuyt cross and won us a penalty with some nifty footwork.  He also spurned 2 golden opportunities to score, failed to play the early ball to Gerrard when Stevie was in acres of space down the left on the counter and looked mentally off the pace on a few key occasions (leading up to the point blank save, for instance, he was very flat-footed...his pace got him there in the end but more anticipation would have gotten him on the ball before the keeper could have closed him down).  I think the lad's improving but I still think there's a long way to go before he sheds the supersub status and earns a place in the starting 11.

[bigmick]

Well I quite liked Lucas at first, I've seen him do things which are cast iron indicators of ability.The suspicion was towards the end of last season though that he wasn't growing, and by all accounts his game tonight confirmed that with pretty much everyone saying he was rubbish.

There's a couple of things to look at if he is indeed never ever going to be good enough as it turns out, chief amongst them being what do you do from here? Rafa in the past has been fairly ruthless when it becomes obvious that he's got it wrong (and if Lucas is a s bad as everyone is making out then that is the inevitable conclusion unless we're going to blame his signing on Rick Parry or somebody) so perhaps we could ship him off for a few million?

The other point I can't help going back to is the fact that when he made his debut for Liverpool as we all remember it was in the derby when he replaced Gerrard. Now as it turned out, the substiutution created huge controversy as the captain was dominating the game at the time. Lucas subsequently caused the penalty which was to eventually win us the game (well that and Mark Clattenburg's decison not to give an equally obvious one up the other end). Now at the time, some of us felt that Rafa had brought Gerrard off with a wee bit of "delayed gazelle" in mind, saving him for European games in the future. Course we were derided at the time as like every substitution which has a positive impact on the game, it was hailed as tactical masterstroke by the manager. Are we now to believe that perhaps it wasn't tactical mastery at all, as Lucas is infact sh!te and Rafa just got lucky? Who knows.

No I'm going to stick to my original impression of the player, in that I think he's got ability. Whether he has quite enough ability, or even more to the point the physical attributes required to succeed at Liverpool though is another matter entirely. It could be that we have to take a hit and get rid, before adding him to the list of players from warmer climbs who simply don't adapt to life at a big English club. Not everyone likes the physicality of it, nor the fact that they don't play every week (or even any weeks in Lucas's case). Five foot feck all players have got to be pretty special to make it in England, as I said when people were talking about David Silva.

[aCe']

iv never liked lucas in any liverpool game but i watched him start for Brazil last week and he did pretty well.. dictated play alott better than anythhing iv seen of him in a liverpool shirt.. even made quite a few good tackles to get back posession in good areas...
Now im not saying hes a good player and he's just being ill-used by Rafa.. far from it really
Im just saying maybe.. just maybe hes got ability but just hasnt been able to reach top gear at club level yet..
So far though... he's awful in a red jersey so wouldnt have him anywhere near the starting lineup unless we'r sure of the win or every other one of our big name central midfielders is unavailable.

[Number 9]

He is shi'te Mick!
Subconsiously you want to like him because you want to believe the hype of him being the best young talent in Brazil!
All I can say is that if thats the best a great footballing nation can produce,world cups will never be the same!

[LegBarnes]

Also do you think babel had a good game tonight ?

You prediction for him is not working out so far is it as he is going from strength to strength.

Are you for real?

Babel done one thing all night, and lets face it, had the defender been any "kop" (like the pun? ) in the first place that situation would never have arose.

How he let a 60 yard floated ball go over his head like that I'll never know and to then dive in in the box when Babel had no support was sheer stupidity.

Apart from that I saw Babel run into players, give the ball away every chance he had and miss a complete sitter from three or four yards out due to showing little composure and just twatting the ball at the goalkeeper.

Again a weak link and had it not been for Gerrard's brilliance (again) then we'd have been completely screwed.

What exactly did you see from Babel that was so good tonight?

I actually thought Riera done more in the 25 minutes or so he was on the pitch than Babel did the whole ninety minutes.

Then you are blind he held the ball up well tonight , linked up play , played 1 , 2s Had few great chances and off the ball movement was fantastic.

Sorry Fo Dne But you lack of judgement really surprises me I can't see how you are going to cope reading the game when you coach if you fail to see the positives in the profesional player , how will you spot them in a child.

Utter trip. 

[LegBarnes]

Tonight was Babel in a nutshell. He took up some very good positions, made some nice driving runs, showed a fantastic bit of skill to carve out a shot off of the Kuyt cross and won us a penalty with some nifty footwork.  He also spurned 2 golden opportunities to score, failed to play the early ball to Gerrard when Stevie was in acres of space down the left on the counter and looked mentally off the pace on a few key occasions (leading up to the point blank save, for instance, he was very flat-footed...his pace got him there in the end but more anticipation would have gotten him on the ball before the keeper could have closed him down).  I think the lad's improving but I still think there's a long way to go before he sheds the supersub status and earns a place in the starting 11.

I think you all have metal health problems do you all forget he is 20 years old jesus what more you want a pre packaged player who bangs in 30 a season and does back flips , well he does that already.

What you got to remeber is i Don't remember gerrard being any more consistent at that age nor any other player I ever seen really you ain't got a clue real fans you might say.

I doubt most of you don't understand the game from a players angle .

Things I see in babel are when he gets conisistent is he will always be a goal threat , be able to run at players , plays smart 1 , 2s , very strong on ball and be able to play any where in the final 3rd of pitch.( remind you of any one)

All that at 20 is not a bad start since he has got 12 years left in his career in his prime I really think the lad is not doing so bad.

Ronaldo didn't really do well his first season at the manc's and started to play like this in his secound season look how he turned out.

Gerrard took 2 ish season to start to look conisistent , Its very rare for  player to start to perform int he prem in his first year.

Torres remember was 23 when he come and suprised us all but liek I said its rare and you need exp behind you.