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Postby bigmick » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:27 pm

Rafas-Y-Fronts wrote:The reasoning for the way Rafa set the team up today was as follows in my opinion:-

In recent weeks we have played with width in an attempt to hurt teams down the flanks and deployed two wide attacking midfielders.

Due to the abscence of Daniel Agger we have had to play Sami Hyppia alongside Carragher which has caused a problem to the overall shape of the team.

Hyppia lacks pace so has a natural tendency to defend deep to compensate for this.

As a result of this the 3 other players in the back four 'drop off' to hold a good defensive line.

Our midfield quartet is playing too far away from the back four due to this and teams are using this space to retain possesion higher up the field against us than we normally allow.

The reason we didn't deploy wingers/attacking midfielders today against Everton was so that we would play with a more compact quartet across the middle of the pitch to close down the space Everton can use to control the game in our final third.

This tactic worked extremely well as Everton were unable to create anything of any note through the middle of the pitch and what limited joy they did have came from the flanks with Arteta.

In a derby game away from home....you have to be prepared to accept that the home team are going to have a good amount of possesion unless you nullify that and stifle their gameplan.

When Agger returns we will return to a more natural 4-4-2 and
defend much higher up the pitch as his pace allows for recovery if the pass is played long over the top.

This will mean that the midfield quartet and the back four are playing much closer together and so the space that our oppenents can play in between the two is no longer going to be there.

This in turn means we will be winning back a lot of possesion in this area due to being able to close down the opposition quickly and effectively.

Todays tactics were superbly deployed by Benitez and we controlled the midfield on the whole for most of the game.

I think the introduction of Leiva was also a bit of a statement from Benitez as to how highly he rates this young Brazilian.

Taking off the captain for a relatively unknown youngster might seem like a completely crazy thing to do....unless you know the capabilities of the player who is replacing him!

Gerrard himself has gone on record to state what an excellent talent Leiva is and that in my book is a great accolade from arguably one of the best ever players to pull on the Liverpool Shirt (certainly the best all-round footballer the club has ever had).

Tactics and systems are the result of analysis and careful preparation.

I know from first hand experience having played under good coaches like Pat Rice and Steve Perryman that football is much more than fielding eleven better players than the opposition and relying on their ability to shine through and bag the three points every week.

Modern day football has become a strategic battlefield and a lot of this has come about due to the amounts of money now at stake.

Teams no longer want to risk losing as one point may save them from the disaster of relegation so the mindset of smaller clubs is often "How can we avoid being beaten today"...as opposed to "How can we win this game today".

Smaller clubs then defend deep and make it hard for the bigger clubs to break them down by playing two banks of 4 (or 4 and 5 if playing 4-5-1) about 10 yards apart.

Where are you going to play the ball against that??

There is no space in behind..and there is no room between the two banks of players. You have to resort to a moment of individual brilliance or toss hopefull balls into their penalty area and hope one of the three or so players you have arriving in the box to win something against approximately nine opposing players!

This is the brick wall that we came up against in Birmingham City.

People lambasted Benitez for failing to start with Torres in that game.....what could pace have done against a team that were set up to nullify anyone being able to sprint in behind them?

There are a lot of disgruntled supporters at the moment who are unhappy with 'rotation' and team selection in general and tactical and substititional decisions.

I think a lot of this is sadly down to them not really understanding what the manager is trying to do...and more perhaps having a lack of real tactical understanding of the game of football.

Anabsolutely excellent post mate and I get the impression already you'll be a valuable member of the forum, a bit happy clappy for my taste but welcome all the same   :D

The last paragraph though is one worth a re-read I think. Though your playing credentials and writing style would indicate a good depth of knowledge, it would be a mistake to be so dismissive of other people's points of view.

FWIW the thrust of your "why we didn't play attacking midfielders" visa-vis the shape of the team would be fair enough were one of the wide midfielders not Gerrard. I don't in all honesty think the positions he took up during the game fits in with the compact picture of our midfield you are painting. Neither do I think that "todays tactics were superbly deployed by Benitez" is a fair reflection on what went on. We were a tad fortunate to win the game and that we did wasn't the result of any tactical genius. Neither was it any tactical genius not to play Pennant given the fact that neither Kuyt nor Voronin would be likely to score with a header. It is my hunch this is the more likely reason for Gerrard wide right than any "compactness" theories.
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:27 pm

he said "we were playing with too much passion, all the team was running and working hard and we needed to keep the ball"

in that case why did he leave momo on?


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Postby account deleted by request » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:32 pm

Bad Bob wrote:Does anyone have a video clip of the Rafa's post match interview?  I'd love to hear his exact words as well.

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Postby Kharhaz » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:34 pm

Wow Liverpool first on match of the day....good to see Phil Neville showing Tony Cottee to the pitch....
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Postby destro » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:34 pm

Bad Bob wrote:Does anyone have a video clip of the Rafa's post match interview?  I'd love to hear his exact words as well.

Rafa Interview

I didn't hear him mention anything about "playing with your head not your heart" ?

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Postby Rafas-Y-Fronts » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:36 pm

Absolutely mystified by the decision to substitute Gerrard, i don't often criticise the manager because i'm pretty happy (and grateful) with what he has achieved at the club but that was IMHO the dummest decision he has ever made.???

The player brought on to replace Gerrard effectively won us the game by winning a penalty which would have been the deciding goal anyway had Neville not handled on the line.

Leiva came on and kept things simple and encouraged precise passing to break down the 10 men as apposed to trying to bustle our way through Everton and hope we didn't lose possesion.

10 men can sometimes be a lot harder to break down as their shape changes to compensate for the loss of a player.

Passing the ball patiently is the most effective way to do this and until Leiva was introduced we were not really finding a way to breach them.

The amount of chances we created after Leiva was introduced was a clear indication of how this tactical change was the best thing for the team and ultimately put us in a position to go on and win the game.
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Postby bigmick » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:37 pm

Well if he didn't say the "playing with or hearts not our heads" or whatever it was then obviously all conjecture based upon it is b0ll0cks :D FWIW if taking Gerrard off was about keeping the ball better I still don't agree with that either, but at least he isn't also insulting the bloke in an interview.
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Postby bigmick » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:40 pm

Well don't look at me because although it still says moderator on the screen, I've handed the keys in. Given that fact, I think I can say that whoever gave you a card Barry did the right thing. Your reply to a post by Zara was a disgrace.
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Postby The Grudge » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:40 pm

bigmick wrote:Well if he didn't say the "playing with or hearts not our heads" or whatever it was then obviously all conjecture based upon it is b0ll0cks :D FWIW if taking Gerrard off was about keeping the ball better I still don't agree with that either, but at least he isn't also insulting the bloke in an interview.

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Postby 112-1077774096 » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:40 pm

bigmick wrote:Well if he didn't say the "playing with or hearts not our heads" or whatever it was then obviously all conjecture based upon it is b0ll0cks :D FWIW if taking Gerrard off was about keeping the ball better I still don't agree with that either, but at least he isn't also insulting the bloke in an interview.

there is 2 interviews mick, in the one saint posts he does indeed say we needed to play with our brains and not our hearts
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Postby Rafas-Y-Fronts » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:40 pm

he said "we were playing with too much passion, all the team was running and working hard and we needed to keep the ball"

in that case why did he leave momo on?

Although Momo is often guilty of conceding possesion and being wasteful.......he is actually one of the best ball winners we have in the squad and wins a lot of possesion back for us. His high energy levels are also a great attribute when looking to break down a tiring 10 man opposition.
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Postby woof woof ! » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:41 pm

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Bad Bob wrote:Does anyone have a video clip of the Rafa's post match interview?  I'd love to hear his exact words as well.

sky sports Rafa

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Yeah thats the one saint. Rafa when told that Gerrard was surprised to be taken off responds with "Sometimes in these games you need to play with the brain and we were playing with the heart"

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Postby 112-1077774096 » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:43 pm

Rafas-Y-Fronts wrote:he said "we were playing with too much passion, all the team was running and working hard and we needed to keep the ball"

in that case why did he leave momo on?

Although Momo is often guilty of conceding possesion and being wasteful.......he is actually one of the best ball winners we have in the squad and wins a lot of possesion back for us. His high energy levels are also a great attribute when looking to break down a tiring 10 man opposition.

well that is not keeping the ball, that is needing to win the ball back and the two are completely different things.

e are talking about rafas comments about not giving the ball away and momo is more guilty of that than any other player on the pitch
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Postby RUSHIE#9 » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:47 pm

Having watched the Sky Sports interview again and paying particular attention to the question regarding Gerrard his reply seems to be more of one trying to dodge the question more than really commenting on Gerrard. Still he is being asked a question about his captain and talisman and to give a reply like that is just asking for trouble and is a very naive response IMO.

Rafa's following comment regarding the penalty claim of Lescott's is also a bit puzzling, it's almost as if he's trying to provoke a response from the bitters. ??? :D
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Postby The Manhattan Project » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:48 pm

I should explain Kuyt's two-footed tackle.

He merely saw a beaver on the pitch and he tried to kill it before it started ripping apart Woodison with the intent of building a small dam.
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