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[Lando_Griffin]

Same old s.hit on here, it turns into I'm a better supporter than you, instead of footie discussion the usual idiots stir up a s.hit storm.

Thoroughly commendable post there, sir. I stand and stare in wonder at your triumphant contribution.

Ladies and Gentleman - a round of applause for the Master of Newkit...

I realise that your time is so very valuable, but I beg a question of you:

Who's spoon is doing the stirring?

[Bam]

Its funny how you cannot question or critise the manager without being lablelled a greedy little fecker who doesnt deserve to see Liverpool win anything.

Is this some kind of thing where your proving how great a supporter you are be agreeing with every decision Rafa's made, you know it doesnt make you a superior supporter in any way shape or form, more of an idiot. If you cant come up you're own opinion and reasoned debate.

I bet any money that Rafa ISNT happy with the dropped points at home to Fulham, West Ham and Hull. He wont be fooled into thinking everything is cushdy, I reckon alarm bells will have started ringing with him because of the fact we cant kill teams off who dont even cost a quarter of the price our squad does.

Ah, the "Trinity" is complete...

I'd have thought it would take a complete buffoon, sorely lacking a brain to fail to realise that I am one opinionated Mother F*cker.

(But I'll let you off that one, seeing as we're such close friends, Bammy...)

I haven't once said that Rafa is "happy" with the dropped points. In fact, I haven't even touched upon what Rafa might think about them. I am not happy that we have lost points, I am not happy that my curry was cold by the time I got home, I am not happy that I have to work later, I am not happy that I am not in the slightest bit tired, and I am not happy that Kate Beckinsale is no doubt in bed with another man and not me.

However. I do see the brighter side of the situation.
1.) I will still buy from the same curry house next time, safe in the knowledge that these things happen even to the best of us. Plus, it wasn't bad, anyway.
2.) I will not jack my job in, as even though at times it doesn't go according to plan, it's worth it in the end as it pays my bills, and keeps a roof over my head.
3.) Tomorrow is another day, and the sleep I don't get tonight will be caught up tomorrow.
4.) Even though she is probably lying with some poxy b*stard, one day there is a minute chance that she will realise the error of her ways, and leap fanny-first upon my mouth, with the promise of life-long sexual bliss muffled by her inner thighs.

The price of a squad, eh? I bet Chelsea were gutted when they lost to us...

Rather than explaining your feeding, sleeping and fantasizing habits on a "Global" website.

Why dont you explain why you werent happy with the result on saturday and try and explain where you think it went wrong.

Or do you believe, that if your not happy with a Cold Curry, you should keep Shtum about it and just be content with the fact it will be hot next time.

[Bam]

Same old s.hit on here, it turns into I'm a better supporter than you, instead of footie discussion the usual idiots stir up a s.hit storm.

Thoroughly commendable post there, sir. I stand and stare in wonder at your triumphant contribution.

Ladies and Gentleman - a round of applause for the Master of Newkit...

I realise that your time is so very valuable, but I beg a question of you:

Who's spoon is doing the stirring?

Why yours of course, peasant.

[Lando_Griffin]

Same old s.hit on here, it turns into I'm a better supporter than you, instead of footie discussion the usual idiots stir up a s.hit storm.

Thoroughly commendable post there, sir. I stand and stare in wonder at your triumphant contribution.

Ladies and Gentleman - a round of applause for the Master of Newkit...

I realise that your time is so very valuable, but I beg a question of you:

Who's spoon is doing the stirring?

Why yours of course, peasant.

Ahhhh, simple sarcasm.

Failed to grasp your ABC's, too?

[Lando_Griffin]

Its funny how you cannot question or critise the manager without being lablelled a greedy little fecker who doesnt deserve to see Liverpool win anything.

Is this some kind of thing where your proving how great a supporter you are be agreeing with every decision Rafa's made, you know it doesnt make you a superior supporter in any way shape or form, more of an idiot. If you cant come up you're own opinion and reasoned debate.

I bet any money that Rafa ISNT happy with the dropped points at home to Fulham, West Ham and Hull. He wont be fooled into thinking everything is cushdy, I reckon alarm bells will have started ringing with him because of the fact we cant kill teams off who dont even cost a quarter of the price our squad does.

Ah, the "Trinity" is complete...

I'd have thought it would take a complete buffoon, sorely lacking a brain to fail to realise that I am one opinionated Mother F*cker.

(But I'll let you off that one, seeing as we're such close friends, Bammy...)

I haven't once said that Rafa is "happy" with the dropped points. In fact, I haven't even touched upon what Rafa might think about them. I am not happy that we have lost points, I am not happy that my curry was cold by the time I got home, I am not happy that I have to work later, I am not happy that I am not in the slightest bit tired, and I am not happy that Kate Beckinsale is no doubt in bed with another man and not me.

However. I do see the brighter side of the situation.
1.) I will still buy from the same curry house next time, safe in the knowledge that these things happen even to the best of us. Plus, it wasn't bad, anyway.
2.) I will not jack my job in, as even though at times it doesn't go according to plan, it's worth it in the end as it pays my bills, and keeps a roof over my head.
3.) Tomorrow is another day, and the sleep I don't get tonight will be caught up tomorrow.
4.) Even though she is probably lying with some poxy b*stard, one day there is a minute chance that she will realise the error of her ways, and leap fanny-first upon my mouth, with the promise of life-long sexual bliss muffled by her inner thighs.

The price of a squad, eh? I bet Chelsea were gutted when they lost to us...

Rather than explaining your feeding, sleeping and fantasizing habits on a "Global" website.

Why dont you explain why you werent happy with the result on saturday and try and explain where you think it went wrong.

Or do you believe, that if your not happy with a Cold Curry, you should keep Shtum about it and just be content with the fact it will be hot next time.

Could it be that I can't be bothered to put my thoughts on the match up for people like yourself to simply belittle?

Could it be that I thought we played well, but didn't put the ball away that third time? Could it be that I feel Keane has been useless all season, and a stint on the bench might just be the kick up the a*se he needs?

No, of course it couldn't - there's no Rafa-bashing in that, is there?

[Bam]

Could it be that I can't be bothered to put my thoughts on the match up for people like yourself to simply belittle?

Jumping to conclusions yet again, obviously you havent read the match thread, where I stated the team did play well and we're unlucky. Then questioned why Keane wasnt brought on as Kuyt was having a mare infront of goal.

If thats Rafa bashing Landy, you are one sensitive unit.

[Lando_Griffin]

Could it be that I can't be bothered to put my thoughts on the match up for people like yourself to simply belittle?

Jumping to conclusions yet again, obviously you havent read the match thread, where I stated the team did play well and we're unlucky. Then questioned why Keane wasnt brought on as Kuyt was having a mare infront of goal.

If thats Rafa bashing Landy, you are one sensitive unit.

You're very right, I haven't read your posts in the match thread.

This is why I hadn't even referenced you in the entirety of this thread, but simply said "people like yourself", and not "you."

Fun is it, this "jumping to conclusions" lark? I might try it sometime...

[Bam]

Could it be that I can't be bothered to put my thoughts on the match up for people like yourself to simply belittle?

Jumping to conclusions yet again, obviously you havent read the match thread, where I stated the team did play well and we're unlucky. Then questioned why Keane wasnt brought on as Kuyt was having a mare infront of goal.

If thats Rafa bashing Landy, you are one sensitive unit.

You're very right, I haven't read your posts in the match thread.

This is why I hadn't even referenced you in the entirety of this thread, but simply said "people like yourself", and not "you."

Fun is it, this "jumping to conclusions" lark? I might try it sometime...

obviously your bored tonight Landy, or either you've had a couple of Fanta's. Because as usual you've sprung out the woodwork to start your old routine verbal jousting session.

[Lando_Griffin]

Could it be that I can't be bothered to put my thoughts on the match up for people like yourself to simply belittle?

Jumping to conclusions yet again, obviously you havent read the match thread, where I stated the team did play well and we're unlucky. Then questioned why Keane wasnt brought on as Kuyt was having a mare infront of goal.

If thats Rafa bashing Landy, you are one sensitive unit.

You're very right, I haven't read your posts in the match thread.

This is why I hadn't even referenced you in the entirety of this thread, but simply said "people like yourself", and not "you."

Fun is it, this "jumping to conclusions" lark? I might try it sometime...

obviously your bored tonight Landy, or either you've had a couple of Fanta's. Because as usual you've sprung out the woodwork to start your old routine verbal jousting session.

Oh contraire me old mucker - you started this particular jostle.

(It's his brain, bless him...)

[account deleted by request]

Well whether or not you choose to believe me Lando, I do quite like Rafa I think he's broadly done a decent job, I've said so many times. Had we not fecked around with mass rotation for four seasons this wouldn't be our first title challenge underhis tenure, he has made some fine signings and some excellent decisions. He's probably the best defensive coach around I reckon, and I think he acts in the main in a dignified manner which is becoming of a Liverpool manager.

I do though ask the question about certain decisions which I think are wrong. Not bringing Keane on as sub was nothing to do with tactics, it was about making a point. I say that to be kind to the manager, because if he's just spent 20 million quid on a striker who was incapable of being an improvement on what Dirk Kuyt was offering on Saturday, then his judgement is terrible and he is an idiot. We know though that his judgement isn't terrible (Dossena aside) and that Keane is a better striker than Kuyt. That he didn't bring him on is a metter of fact, and I guess till the books come out we'll never know why. My contention is though that whatever point he was making, wasn't important enough to put the team getting three points at more risk than was necessary, which it did.

I retain the perogative to make such points on here, despite "quite" liking the manager.

Do you think you would agree with any other manager's decisions 100% of the time?

Whilst any other team's fans would be basking in our obvious progress, some seem more interested in saving face.

Why?

100% of the time? Not a chance. Ask any two people who have an interest about football a number of questions and they'll NEVER agree 100%. That's one of the reasons I find it so odd when people get so fired up if you dare to say you disagree with the manager on any issue.


As for the "basking in our obvious progress" bit, I am just about the only poster on here who thinks we were goiod enough to launch a title challenge in each of the last three seasons, not just this one. In many ways, I've been Rafa's biggest advocate strange as it may seem.

And as for saving face, it's never really been important to me but since you bring it up, it would be difficult for anyone to say I was 100% wrong about mass rotation surely? I said if we cut back we'd challenge, we've cut back and we're challenging.

I love us being top as much as the next man, except I want us to actually win it and when something happens which I think is detrimental to our chances I'll say so. If we win it, people can argue till the cows come home about who's saved face, who was right all along, who called it totally wrong and all that old sh!t. I personally couldn't give a feck, just so long as we win it. Step one is giving ourselves the very best opportunity.

Spot on Mick. Did everyone always agree with Shanks , Paisley, Dalglish ......... no. They got things wrong, they made mistakes just as Rafa does.

It makes me laugh when I read some of the rubbish spouted on here at times. If we were at the game, you back the team 100%, once the game is over you go to the pub and discuss the game. You discuss the ref, the players AND the managers decisions.

That's not being disloyal thats being a normal football fan. Same on here, I am sure if Rafa came onto the site people would be a little more circumspect in their posts, as he doesn't we are more open about our views. I thought that was the idea of a football forum, that people could express their views?

Or maybe we should all be sat writing how happy we were to draw another home match. How we think that every decision Rafa makes is sheer genius and every player we have is the best in the world.

Sadly not every player we have is the best in the world and Rafa makes mistakes just like any other human being.

To say that people are "picking on Rafa because of where he comes from" is idiotic. How come Torres seems to have universal approval across the site if thats the case? I think its more due to the fact that he knocks goals in for fun rather than where he comes from which matters.   

We are writing posts on a football forum, they have no impact whatsoever on Rafa. If our posts mattered in the slightest outside this forum I am sure Hicks and Gillett would be out on their ear already and DIC busy building our new stadium.

Some people need to take a chill pill relax and enjoy the football debate rather than worrying if someone doesn't like Rafa. We are not kids, "if you don't like my friend I am not playing with you"   

BTW TOP OF THE LEAGUE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH! League champions IS good enough. If and when we achieve that .... then its a job well done. You get nothing for being top in December, but a nice shiny cup for winning the League.

No, so when people say that want a home-grown/English/British manager, then that's nothing at all to do with where they're from, is it? (Look back at past threads if you wish to argue the toss.)

Opinions expressed in the pub don't get written down and broadcast globally. Half of the shart expressed on here would result in an impromptu lesson in how to take a punch if said in the boozer, I feel.

I'm not getting into another spat with you. I really can't be bothered with it.

But you surely must see why I get so annoyed at reading constant negativity and overreaction?

You mean like Owen and Gerrard BOTH DID before we signed Rafa ? I think Curbishley was their pick at the time. I am pretty sure it was because they thought that an English or British manager might have a better understanding of whats required to win the prem rather than any racist or xenaphobic view.

Surprisingly I have never had a problem discussing football in pubs, but then again I am not usually foul mouthed and abusive to people just because they have a different point of view.

But you surely must see why I get so annoyed at reading constant negativity and overreaction?

 

Could it be that I feel Keane has been useless all season

[KennyisGod....still]

Seein as an ENGLISH manager has never won the prem, how would gettin one guarantee we'd win it?

[Ciggy]

I dont understand why people are being slated for not being happy about us not turning dross over at home.
It fecked us up last season 13 draws is the reason we failed to win the league, and the same pattern is emerging once again with 4 draws at home already.

This league title is available for any of the top four to grab by the horns and say we want it, but it doesnt look like any fecker wants it.
This is our best chance ever to win it since Rafa has arrived its ours to feck up.
We could have been atleast 9 points clear at the top if we had turned them draws into wins, but we are not 9 points clear because we have failed to beat dross who park a bus and 10 men behind the ball.

And why Rafa failed to bring on a forward instead of a midfielder in a game we needed to win is anyones guess
I am a Rafa fan but he fecked up on saturday, doesnt mean I dislike the man I am unhappy about some of his decisions at times the stubborn streak.

I am also a big Kuyt fan but he should have been hauled off on saturday because he clearly wasnt fit, but he was left on the pitch when we had players on the bench that could have won us the game.

And the blame lays clearly at Rafas feet.

[Owzat]

Seein as an ENGLISH manager has never won the prem, how would gettin one guarantee we'd win it?

When was the last time an English manager finished in the top four of the Premiership?

Firstly only seven teams have finished top four since 2000 - Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd, bitters, Newcastle and Leeds. Smeegel is scottish as is ferguson. O'Dreary is Oirish so he's out of contention, can't remember the last time Chelsea had an English manager

Off the top of my head I'm thinking Roy Evans is a contender, maybe the pick of English managers at a big four club. Arsenal haven't had one since before him, what with Wenger being there so long, so that's them out. But then Sir Bobby Robson was at Newcastle not so long ago


So I'm guessing Sir Bobby, having ruled out the mancs for the entirity, Chelsea since pre-Ranieri if not longer, us since 1997/98. Sir Bobby was in charge of Newcastle in 01/02 when they finished fourth. Even if the leprechaun at villa manages to squeak into fourth, he's not English either. Curbs, fat sam, king kev etc are all over-rated managers.

[bigmick]

I dont understand why people are being slated for not being happy about us not turning dross over at home.
It fecked us up last season 13 draws is the reason we failed to win the league, and the same pattern is emerging once again with 4 draws at home already.

This league title is available for any of the top four to grab by the horns and say we want it, but it doesnt look like any fecker wants it.
This is our best chance ever to win it since Rafa has arrived its ours to feck up.
We could have been atleast 9 points clear at the top if we had turned them draws into wins, but we are not 9 points clear because we have failed to beat dross who park a bus and 10 men behind the ball.

And why Rafa failed to bring on a forward instead of a midfielder in a game we needed to win is anyones guess
I am a Rafa fan but he fecked up on saturday, doesnt mean I dislike the man I am unhappy about some of his decisions at times the stubborn streak.

I am also a big Kuyt fan but he should have been hauled off on saturday because he clearly wasnt fit, but he was left on the pitch when we had players on the bench that could have won us the game.

And the blame lays clearly at Rafas feet.

No I don't understand it either Lynds. Very odd it really is.

[Ciggy]

No I don't understand it either Lynds. Very odd it really is.

It feckin hurts though Mick it really does, these draws feel like defeats, I have been so miserable this weekend I cried after that game finished asking WHY?
I so want us to be named premiership winners at the end of the season, Im sick of people saying ''Óh yous are shite, you will never win the league again" it hurts it really does.

And I am terrified that in a few weeks time we may be looking back at what have could have been.

Or then again we could go on a ten game winning run you just dont know what Liverpool is going to turn up, we will probably beat Arsenal next week and draw against Bolton or someone its so frustrating.

Cant wait for Torres to come back and for this Robbie Keane issue gets sorted he either stays or goes because its not doing his career or the club any good.

Its been so long since we have been top of the league in December and people are nervous as hell that we fuck it up, nothing wrong with that IMO because I am shitting meself.