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by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:35 pm

Yeah why would we want a manager who has won the league with pretty much every club team he has been with as well as countless cups and the CL

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:07 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Yeah why would we want a manager who has won the league with pretty much every club team he has been with as well as countless cups and the CL

^^^^ i dunno why would we :;):

by **JC_81** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:21 pm

The way the English media is rounding on Capello is nothing short of a disgrace, yet so typical of those sh.itehawks. They ALWAYS need a scapegoat.

Let's not blame Rooney who didn't touch the ball for four games, nor Lampard who touched it once for the goal that wasn't given, let's forget about John Terry's abysmal performances, Gerrard's uninspiring leadership, Johnson's schoolboy defending and THAT mistake by Green which could have changed the whole tournament for England. This sums it up really, there is no scapegoat, because nobody covered themselves in glory. Milner put in a couple of good shifts, Gerrard was decent against USA and literally that's about all England had.

But hey, blame the Italian.

How many times are England going to blame the manager? Blatantly the problem is twofold as I see it....

1) Overexpectancy. England aren't one of the best teams, not by a long shot. But the media build them up and clearly the players believe their own hype. They go out expecting to win every game, putting themselves under too much pressure and then they can't perform. They need to be brought back down to earth.

2) The style of play. Gerrard, Lampard etc are top players, but playing with continentals at club level clearly compliments them. Stick 11 English players on the pitch together where their instinct is always to get it front to back quickly and you have a problem. There is no composure and English players just aren't comfortable on the ball. They can't retain the ball, it is like a hot potato. This is a problem that will take years to sort out.

by **Kharhaz** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:55 pm

john craig wrote:The way the English media is rounding on Capello is nothing short of a disgrace

In fairness though, it was capello who picked those players.

He should have used all the friendlies during the season to mould a team. He didnt.

All the times he was seen at games keeping an eye on players other than the "golden generation", how pointless was that? All the players he looked at, gave them a couple of games and then decided to leave them at home taking the tried and tested (and failed constantly) familiar big names where they have another chance to fail again. Only this time, miserably.

Capello is to blame. For picking the players and the dated tactics. The players are to blame also for for showing zero effort for the cause, for failing to put there egos aside and unite for there country. The germany match, Lampard, he was so so desperate to be big name all he did was shoot, constantly. No teamwork whatsoever.

If capello learns from this mistake, then progress will be made. And not as slowly as many think. There are a lot of good players left behind during this world cup. If they are not replacing the crop (crock?) currently in the team come the euros, then capello will have proved totally that it is his fault. He deserves another chance as long as he learns from his mistakes.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:56 pm

He has to take his share of the blame, not least for the system he used and failed to correct - even after the first half against Germany where it was flagrantly exposed by Ozil and Muller's orchestrating between the lines. The counter-attacks to make it three and then four - whilst we were on top - were completely avoidable. Too many England players let the Germans geat a head start on them and you can't do that against Ozil and co; our players needed a head start against them, not the other way round. If we'd been a bit more savvy, we would have had more time to equalise against a shaky German defence. It is of course (because it has to be) a case of shared - or cascading - responsibility in any team endavour, so those players who went to sleep and didn't apply themselves fully have to accept their share of the burden but because he oversees the operation - he trains the team, picks the players and the system - he, Capello the manager, must take a lot of the blame given how abject all the performances were, and in particular against Germany. It was Capello's job to intervene when the errors - observed throughout the first half - first began appearing. He didn't and we suffered.

by **rocky29** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:26 am

Kharhaz wrote:
john craig wrote:The way the English media is rounding on Capello is nothing short of a disgrace

In fairness though, it was capello who picked those players.

He should have used all the friendlies during the season to mould a team. He didnt.

All the times he was seen at games keeping an eye on players other than the "golden generation", how pointless was that? All the players he looked at, gave them a couple of games and then decided to leave them at home taking the tried and tested (and failed constantly) familiar big names where they have another chance to fail again. Only this time, miserably.

Capello is to blame. For picking the players and the dated tactics. The players are to blame also for for showing zero effort for the cause, for failing to put there egos aside and unite for there country. The germany match, Lampard, he was so so desperate to be big name all he did was shoot, constantly. No teamwork whatsoever.

If capello learns from this mistake, then progress will be made. And not as slowly as many think. There are a lot of good players left behind during this world cup. If they are not replacing the crop (crock?) currently in the team come the euros, then capello will have proved totally that it is his fault. He deserves another chance as long as he learns from his mistakes.

listen you! You should be the england manager. You seem to know it all. Your talking out your absolute anus.

by **Kharhaz** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:29 am

rocky29 wrote:listen you! You should be the england manager. You seem to know it all. Your talking out your absolute anus.

I dont know everything. However, what I dont know, isnt worth knowing.

And what part (aside from what I just put) am I talking out of my <ahem> bottom?

by **Big Niall** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:58 pm

john craig wrote:The way the English media is rounding on Capello is nothing short of a disgrace, yet so typical of those sh.itehawks. They ALWAYS need a scapegoat.

Let's not blame Rooney who didn't touch the ball for four games, nor Lampard who touched it once for the goal that wasn't given, let's forget about John Terry's abysmal performances, Gerrard's uninspiring leadership, Johnson's schoolboy defending and THAT mistake by Green which could have changed the whole tournament for England. This sums it up really, there is no scapegoat, because nobody covered themselves in glory. Milner put in a couple of good shifts, Gerrard was decent against USA and literally that's about all England had.

But hey, blame the Italian.

How many times are England going to blame the manager? Blatantly the problem is twofold as I see it....

1) Overexpectancy. England aren't one of the best teams, not by a long shot. But the media build them up and clearly the players believe their own hype. They go out expecting to win every game, putting themselves under too much pressure and then they can't perform. They need to be brought back down to earth.

2) The style of play. Gerrard, Lampard etc are top players, but playing with continentals at club level clearly compliments them. Stick 11 English players on the pitch together where their instinct is always to get it front to back quickly and you have a problem. There is no composure and English players just aren't comfortable on the ball. They can't retain the ball, it is like a hot potato. This is a problem that will take years to sort out.

Spot on.

No matter what players he picked and what system he chose England were always going to lose against the first big team they played - I said all this before the tournament but too many chumps here said I was speaking rubbish, England has lots of world class players and have every chance of winning the tournament.

by **Owzat** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:39 pm

Wish I had the time now to look at the past three tournaments including qualifying and split results by teams played, because we've reached a QF playing nobodies, failed to qualifying playing decent but not great sides, and then failed to beat anyone of any note in this World Cup

Just in terms of the finals themselves

2006 : P5 W3 D2 L0 (wins over Trinidad & Tobago, Ecuador and Paraguay, draws with Sweden and Portugal)
2008 : did not qualify
2010 : P4 W1 D2 L1 (win over Slovenia, draws with USA and Algeria, heavy defeat to Germany)

So while we've won four games out of nine in the finals we have qualified for, they are only wins over Trinidad & Tobago, Ecuador, Slovenia and Paraguay so hardly the creme de la creme. Sure we beat Ukraine at home and Croatia home and away in qualifying, but Croatia were poor and Ukraine don't travel that well - they only won in Andorra and Khazakhstan. In 2006 our qualifying group contained the likes of Poland, Austria and Northern Ireland. In 2008 we didn't qualify, losing in Croatia and Russia, ambushed by Croatia at Wembley when a draw would have done.

So by and large a few decent wins, but when did we last beat a really big team in a competitive match?

But the essence of the point is these three campaigns have been pretty poor and featured the same old same old names/faces. How many different players did we bring in/use and how many were a hit?

GKs (2) - Green & James
CBs (4) - King, Terry, Carragher & Upson
FBs (2) - Johnson & A.Cole
MFs (7) - Gerrard, Barry, Lampard, Milner, Lennon, J.Cole & Wright-Phillips
CFs (4) - Crouch, Rooney, Heskey & Defoe

So all but four of the squad played, and that in just four games. There will always be similarities between LFC and England, sadly.

by **rocky29** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:01 pm

john craig wrote:The way the English media is rounding on Capello is nothing short of a disgrace, yet so typical of those sh.itehawks. They ALWAYS need a scapegoat.

Let's not blame Rooney who didn't touch the ball for four games, nor Lampard who touched it once for the goal that wasn't given, let's forget about John Terry's abysmal performances, Gerrard's uninspiring leadership, Johnson's schoolboy defending and THAT mistake by Green which could have changed the whole tournament for England. This sums it up really, there is no scapegoat, because nobody covered themselves in glory. Milner put in a couple of good shifts, Gerrard was decent against USA and literally that's about all England had.

But hey, blame the Italian.

How many times are England going to blame the manager? Blatantly the problem is twofold as I see it....

1) Overexpectancy. England aren't one of the best teams, not by a long shot. But the media build them up and clearly the players believe their own hype. They go out expecting to win every game, putting themselves under too much pressure and then they can't perform. They need to be brought back down to earth.

2) The style of play. Gerrard, Lampard etc are top players, but playing with continentals at club level clearly compliments them. Stick 11 English players on the pitch together where their instinct is always to get it front to back quickly and you have a problem. There is no composure and English players just aren't comfortable on the ball. They can't retain the ball, it is like a hot potato. This is a problem that will take years to sort out.

spot on ihmo. When capello was announced our manager. I heard all the fans slagging him off just because hes italian in my town. Then they shut up during the qualifying but you just knew as soon as a bad result came. Oh yes we need an english manager he carnt speak english. Its all rasicm but no-one will admit it. We had an english manager steve maclaren why didnt we just keep him. Am sick of listening in a pub or work blaming the manager just because hes italian.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:17 pm

rocky29 wrote:fabio capello is a far better club manager than rafa. In this turmoil we could do a hell of alot worse than capello. The england players let the nation down not capello.

Is he f*ck, you silly b*stard.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:20 pm

People in this Country need to realise that football happens outside of England, and the standard of child development in Britain is f*cking pathetic.

10 year old Brazilians would wipe the floor with our 16 year olds in terms of skill. They've probably got more than half the England set up.

by **Reg** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:23 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:People in this Country need to realise that football happens outside of England, and the standard of child development in Britain is f*cking pathetic.

10 year old Brazilians would wipe the floor with our 16 year olds in terms of skill. They've probably got more than half the England set up.

Blame the schools lando, the left wing socialist teachers effectively banned competitive sports years ago so what do you expect in a namby pamby state?

Different culture in third world countries where its dog eat dog.

by **dawson99** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:08 pm

Reg wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:People in this Country need to realise that football happens outside of England, and the standard of child development in Britain is f*cking pathetic.

10 year old Brazilians would wipe the floor with our 16 year olds in terms of skill. They've probably got more than half the England set up.

Blame the schools lando, the left wing socialist teachers effectively banned competitive sports years ago so what do you expect in a namby pamby state?

Different culture in third world countries where its dog eat dog.

I think its the complate opposite mate. Over here its all about wining, over everywhere else its about learning skills.. in most other countries for youth teams it really is about how you play, not if you win or lose

by **Reg** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:26 pm

dawson99 wrote:
Reg wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:People in this Country need to realise that football happens outside of England, and the standard of child development in Britain is f*cking pathetic.

10 year old Brazilians would wipe the floor with our 16 year olds in terms of skill. They've probably got more than half the England set up.

Blame the schools lando, the left wing socialist teachers effectively banned competitive sports years ago so what do you expect in a namby pamby state?

Different culture in third world countries where its dog eat dog.

I think its the complate opposite mate. Over here its all about wining, over everywhere else its about learning skills.. in most other countries for youth teams it really is about how you play, not if you win or lose

Whether you play for Santos, Fla/Flu, Boca Juniors/Riverplate or 5 a side on Cocacabana beach - I assure you winning is the most important thing.

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