Job too big for Rodgers?

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Is the job too big for Rodgers and last season was a flash in the pan down to Suarez carrying us?

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Postby Kash_Mountain » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:32 pm

"Our players are purchased by a transfer committee so BR can't be assigned the full blame if players don't work out - just like he can't be assigned full credit if players work out - again balance"

You seem to forget that BR has final say on who comes in. The Committee, which he is very much part of, can recommend players to him etc, but the final say is his. The Committee are there to help him because the Owners don't trust BR with the money (can't blame them either), the committee, though hasn't worked out.  Bottom line, BR brings in all the players he want's, he can say yes or no to who comes in and goes. It's his say. However, with the changes being made, he may not now have final say, which is a good thing. Because BR gets final say, he can be blamed for those 'potential' players he keeps buying instead of quality that LFC needs.
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Postby Penguins » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:33 pm

Well, no matter what everyone's opinion is, the only one that matters are the owner's.
And they have decided as usual to spend as little money as possible.
Which means BR stays for 6-12 more months, end of.
It's better to try and focus on the transfers and the upcoming season than haggle about Rodgers when we will have to get behind him and the team for the next season.
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Postby Buck Rodgers » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:36 pm

Kash_Mountain » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:32 pm wrote:"Our players are purchased by a transfer committee so BR can't be assigned the full blame if players don't work out - just like he can't be assigned full credit if players work out - again balance"

You seem to forget that BR has final say on who comes in. The Committee, which he is very much part of, can recommend players to him etc, but the final say is his. The Committee are there to help him because the Owners don't trust BR with the money (can't blame them either), the committee, though hasn't worked out.  Bottom line, BR brings in all the players he want's, he can say yes or no to who comes in and goes. It's his say.


Actually BR doesn't have "final say"  - what's the point in a committee if the manager can just decide yes or no anyway !

I can say with 100% certainly up until this summer BR didn't have final say - he has one vote just like the other 4 and players have arrived that BR didn't want.

This summer will be the first time he will have full say - the three bought so far are his choice and his alone
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Postby Kash_Mountain » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:38 pm

Buck Rodgers » Jun 15th, '15, 17:36 wrote:
Kash_Mountain » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:32 pm wrote:"Our players are purchased by a transfer committee so BR can't be assigned the full blame if players don't work out - just like he can't be assigned full credit if players work out - again balance"

You seem to forget that BR has final say on who comes in. The Committee, which he is very much part of, can recommend players to him etc, but the final say is his. The Committee are there to help him because the Owners don't trust BR with the money (can't blame them either), the committee, though hasn't worked out.  Bottom line, BR brings in all the players he want's, he can say yes or no to who comes in and goes. It's his say.


Actually BR doesn't have "final say"  - what's the point in a committee if the manager can just decide yes or no anyway !

I can say with 100% certainly up until this summer BR didn't have final say - he has one vote just like the other 4 and players have arrived that BR didn't want.

This summer will be the first time he will have full say - the three bought so far are his choice and his alone


Then you'd be wrong. BR does indeed have final say, whether you like it or not.
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Postby Buck Rodgers » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:39 pm

Penguins » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:33 pm wrote:Well, no matter what everyone's opinion is, the only one that matters are the owner's.
And they have decided as usual to spend as little money as possible.
Which means BR stays for 6-12 more months, end of.
It's better to try and focus on the transfers and the upcoming season than haggle about Rodgers when we will have to get behind him and the team for the next season.


Spend as little as possible ? They have spent over £300 million since they arrived
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Postby Kash_Mountain » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:40 pm

Buck Rodgers » Jun 15th, '15, 17:39 wrote:
Penguins » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:33 pm wrote:Well, no matter what everyone's opinion is, the only one that matters are the owner's.
And they have decided as usual to spend as little money as possible.
Which means BR stays for 6-12 more months, end of.
It's better to try and focus on the transfers and the upcoming season than haggle about Rodgers when we will have to get behind him and the team for the next season.


Spend as little as possible ? They have spent over £300 million since they arrived


Yes and BR wasted so much of that.............
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Postby Buck Rodgers » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:41 pm

Kash_Mountain » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:38 pm wrote:
Buck Rodgers » Jun 15th, '15, 17:36 wrote:
Kash_Mountain » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:32 pm wrote:"Our players are purchased by a transfer committee so BR can't be assigned the full blame if players don't work out - just like he can't be assigned full credit if players work out - again balance"

You seem to forget that BR has final say on who comes in. The Committee, which he is very much part of, can recommend players to him etc, but the final say is his. The Committee are there to help him because the Owners don't trust BR with the money (can't blame them either), the committee, though hasn't worked out.  Bottom line, BR brings in all the players he want's, he can say yes or no to who comes in and goes. It's his say.


Actually BR doesn't have "final say"  - what's the point in a committee if the manager can just decide yes or no anyway !

I can say with 100% certainly up until this summer BR didn't have final say - he has one vote just like the other 4 and players have arrived that BR didn't want.

This summer will be the first time he will have full say - the three bought so far are his choice and his alone


Then you'd be wrong. BR does indeed have final say, whether you like it or not.


He does now - yes , didn't before

Hence why players like Assaidi , Aspas and Alberto came to the club - he didn't want them but the committee overall did - even Balotelli wasn't managers choice - you can believe whatever you want but that's info come from someone in the recruitment team.
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Postby Kash_Mountain » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:43 pm

"He does now - yes , didn't before

Hence why players like Assaidi , Aspas and Alberto came to the club - he didn't want them but the committee overall did - even Balotelli wasn't managers choice - you can believe whatever you want but that's info come from someone in the recruitment team"

:D  :D  :D  Every player at the club that has arrived since BR has been in charge, are the players he has wanted.
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Postby maguskwt » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:49 pm

eds » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:35 am wrote:
maguskwt » Sun Jun 14, 2015 11:42 am wrote:The typical tolerance level by the anti-rodgers brigade to anyone who doesn't agree with them is shown off here once again...  :nod

"Just shut up and accept what we say"

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Hadn't you quietly tip-toed back to the side of reasoning a few weeks back after that 6-1 loss with your tail in between you legs?   

Funny how a few more trolls join this forum and you are able to find your voice again.

Shame you can't post anything football related in all that incoherent babbling of yours.  :laugh:

I have always strived to post football related posts, if you pay some attention, until you lot decided to ruin this forum by focussing on the managers teeth and repeating your pettiness ad nauseam.

Oh I just broke a promise I made to myself...Which is don't respond to idiots and trolls... :sleepy:
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Postby Buck Rodgers » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:50 pm

Kash_Mountain » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:43 pm wrote:"He does now - yes , didn't before

Hence why players like Assaidi , Aspas and Alberto came to the club - he didn't want them but the committee overall did - even Balotelli wasn't managers choice - you can believe whatever you want but that's info come from someone in the recruitment team"

:D  :D  :D  Every player at the club that has arrived since BR has been in charge, are the players he has wanted.


It's a false statement - very false.

When BR was offered the job the initial spec included a DoF who would be doing the player recruitment with BR the coaching - he refused that and they came to an agreement that he would work with a transfer committee that he would be a part of with Ayre and 3 others - that's how our transfers have worked with recommendations from the recruitment team - a team a family member was part of until this year. Balotelli wasn't the managers pick - Others were but he wasn't.

I have no doubt that you will come back with some laughing smiley and repeat the same post etc etc but it won't change the fact that it's false to say that BR has final say ( sorry had final say )
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Postby Kash_Mountain » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:59 pm

Buck Rodgers » Jun 15th, '15, 17:50 wrote:
Kash_Mountain » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:43 pm wrote:"He does now - yes , didn't before

Hence why players like Assaidi , Aspas and Alberto came to the club - he didn't want them but the committee overall did - even Balotelli wasn't managers choice - you can believe whatever you want but that's info come from someone in the recruitment team"

:D  :D  :D  Every player at the club that has arrived since BR has been in charge, are the players he has wanted.


It's a false statement - very false.

When BR was offered the job the initial spec included a DoF who would be doing the player recruitment with BR the coaching - he refused that and they came to an agreement that he would work with a transfer committee that he would be a part of with Ayre and 3 others - that's how our transfers have worked with recommendations from the recruitment team - a team a family member was part of until this year. Balotelli wasn't the managers pick - Others were but he wasn't.


And how long do you think the Committee has been up and running? Everybody knows about the DoF situation. The 'statement' made is correct.  Ok, pick one player, BR panics becuase he didn't do his job properly by planning ahead, he knew full well that LS was going (18 months prior), you just have to look at the trouble he was causing. He caused all that rubbish becaase he wanted out of LFC, BR knew it full on, and chose not to do anything about it, well, unless you call a build up of midfielders anything to go on. He panics, and almost signed Remy (who di pass his medical at LFC), but for whatever reason said no, Panics, then says yes to Balo. He fluffed around with the Bony situation so much so, that Swansea decided to stop all talks with LFC. Yes that was becuase of BR.  That is the measure of the manager at LFC. He hasn't learn't anything in the 3 years that he has been manager. FSG are nuts to not get rid.
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Postby Buck Rodgers » Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:08 pm

Kash_Mountain » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:59 pm wrote:
Buck Rodgers » Jun 15th, '15, 17:50 wrote:
Kash_Mountain » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:43 pm wrote:"He does now - yes , didn't before

Hence why players like Assaidi , Aspas and Alberto came to the club - he didn't want them but the committee overall did - even Balotelli wasn't managers choice - you can believe whatever you want but that's info come from someone in the recruitment team"

:D  :D  :D  Every player at the club that has arrived since BR has been in charge, are the players he has wanted.


It's a false statement - very false.

When BR was offered the job the initial spec included a DoF who would be doing the player recruitment with BR the coaching - he refused that and they came to an agreement that he would work with a transfer committee that he would be a part of with Ayre and 3 others - that's how our transfers have worked with recommendations from the recruitment team - a team a family member was part of until this year. Balotelli wasn't the managers pick - Others were but he wasn't.


And how long do you think the Committee has been up and running? Everybody knows about the DoF situation. The 'statement' made is correct.  Ok, pick one player, BR panics becuase he didn't do his job properly by planning ahead, he knew full well that LS was going (18 months prior), you just have to look at the trouble he was causing. He caused all that rubbish becaase he wanted out of LFC, BR knew it full on, and chose not to do anything about it, well, unless you call a build up of midfielders anything to go on. He panics, and almost signed Remy (who di pass his medical at LFC), but for whatever reason said no, Panics, then says yes to Balo. He fluffed around with the Bony situation so much so, that Swansea decided to stop all talks with LFC. Yes that was becuase of BR.  That is the measure of the manager at LFC. He hasn't learn't anything in the 3 years that he has been manager. FSG are nuts to not get rid.


1. Suarez leaving was because he wanted to move to Spain to win trophies - that has nothing to do with BR , wouldn't have made a difference who the manager was. We got one more season out of him

2. Remy did fail a medical - his knee was seen to have serious issues - ones that have appeared again whilst with Chelsea

3. Bony - BR is a fan - but Edwards and Fallows weren't , they wanted Balotelli and the club went in that direction. It was a straight choice between the two

But you have your source I have mine - it will all come out in the wash one day and with coaches and scouts leaving but manager not tells a very clear story.
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Postby Kash_Mountain » Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:17 pm

"1. Suarez leaving was because he wanted to move to Spain to win trophies - that has nothing to do with BR , wouldn't have made a difference who the manager was. We got one more season out of him"
Rubbish excuse. BR was the manager, if he had anything about himself, he would planned ahead. He didn't. End of.....

2. Remy did fail a medical - his knee was seen to have serious issues - ones that have appeared again whilst with Chelsea. Nope, that was not the case.
3. Bony - BR is a fan - but Edwards and Fallows weren't , they wanted Balotelli and the club went in that direction. It was a straight choice between the two. Nope, BR dithered, trhat is why Swanseas pulled out, absolutely nothing to do with Fallows and Aire. BR chooses the players not the other two.

But you have your source I have mine - it will all come out in the wash one day and with coaches and scouts leaving but manager not tells a very clear story. It tells one that FSG have totally and utterly bottled it. That is the saddest thing about it all.
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Postby red till i die!! » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:10 pm

Kash_Mountain » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:32 pm wrote:
You seem to forget that BR has final say on who comes in. The Committee, which he is very much part of, can recommend players to him etc, but the final say is his.


Your wasting your time with this kash  :nod
The evidence is there in the form of an interview rodgers gave to pearce last year in which he said he has 1st and last say over transfers. It has been posted on here several times but yet largely ignored.
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Postby Buck Rodgers » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:17 pm

red till i die!! » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:10 pm wrote:
Kash_Mountain » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:32 pm wrote:
You seem to forget that BR has final say on who comes in. The Committee, which he is very much part of, can recommend players to him etc, but the final say is his.


Your wasting your time with this kash  :nod
The evidence is there in the form of an interview rodgers gave to pearce last year in which he said he has 1st and last say over transfers. It has been posted on here several times but yet largely ignored.


And it wouldn't be the first time interviews have been full of false information

Remember when BR said we had zero interest in Balotelli
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