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[laza]

We have one of the most sought after young managers in the modern game ,we're playing football the way it should be played ... I honestly don't think I have
seen a Liverpool team so willing to accept the ball ,virtually every player looks comfortable in possession ,we're slowly clawing our way up the table and a
couple of  wins would see us challenging for the much coveted 4th spot ... Some exceptionally talented young kids coming through and we have played most of the big teams off the proverbial park albeit from Arsenal  ,and before the Newcastle game Suarez had comfortably had the most shots on goal of all Premier strikers .

All that taken into account we're easily one of the most exciting teams going forward ....I mean we were constantly being told by the Bitters how much better
they were ,and how poor we had become ,yet but for a glaring error of judgement from Jones and a very dubious refereeing decision we almost took all the points.

So all of a sudden the Bitters were rendered silent once more .Rodgers made that change happen with some extremely imaginative changes of personnel
,because we were being overrun in midfield and the launched balls up to Fellaini (who incidentally bullied Uniteds midfield  to bits ) were negated by changing to three at the back and bringing Coates on... Moyes was flummoxed to the extent of allowing Liverpool the space to force the play in the last 10 minutes which nearly resulted in taking all the spoils ....

We murdered United and if we had pockets roomy enough to afford a referee we would have won ,we blew City off the park and should have had a hatful ,
when only a defensive error from Skrtel allowed them to get back in the game ...  As for Newcastle we dominated from start to finish and Pardew actually
believed prior to this game that his side were the ones  playing decent passing football ,Shelvey should have had a brace ,and Sterling ripped their back
four to shreds with his pace ......Oh, and we have the most exciting player in England in the mercurial magical Suarez ,who incidentally is one goal behind
United's Dutchman who heads the top scorers chart .

Yet still people moan 

I've given up trying to argue with some imbeciles on here who persist in slating the manager.

Yes the click on username and add foe feature on this forum is a very handy  with some of moaning with agenda that's seems to dominates this place at times

[Ola Mr Benitez]

We have one of the most sought after young managers in the modern game ,we're playing football the way it should be played ... I honestly don't think I have
seen a Liverpool team so willing to accept the ball ,virtually every player looks comfortable in possession ,we're slowly clawing our way up the table and a
couple of  wins would see us challenging for the much coveted 4th spot ... Some exceptionally talented young kids coming through and we have played most of the big teams off the proverbial park albeit from Arsenal  ,and before the Newcastle game Suarez had comfortably had the most shots on goal of all Premier strikers .

All that taken into account we're easily one of the most exciting teams going forward ....I mean we were constantly being told by the Bitters how much better
they were ,and how poor we had become ,yet but for a glaring error of judgement from Jones and a very dubious refereeing decision we almost took all the points.

So all of a sudden the Bitters were rendered silent once more .Rodgers made that change happen with some extremely imaginative changes of personnel
,because we were being overrun in midfield and the launched balls up to Fellaini (who incidentally bullied Uniteds midfield  to bits ) were negated by changing to three at the back and bringing Coates on... Moyes was flummoxed to the extent of allowing Liverpool the space to force the play in the last 10 minutes which nearly resulted in taking all the spoils ....

We murdered United and if we had pockets roomy enough to afford a referee we would have won ,we blew City off the park and should have had a hatful ,
when only a defensive error from Skrtel allowed them to get back in the game ...  As for Newcastle we dominated from start to finish and Pardew actually
believed prior to this game that his side were the ones  playing decent passing football ,Shelvey should have had a brace ,and Sterling ripped their back
four to shreds with his pace ......Oh, and we have the most exciting player in England in the mercurial magical Suarez ,who incidentally is one goal behind
United's Dutchman who heads the top scorers chart .

Yet still people moan 

Brilliant post - totally agree with this - Some people will only be happy when we are going out and buying the league - unfortunately that will not happen - steady pregress with a clear plan is what BR is bringing to Liverpool

[Kenny Kan]

I absolutely love Rodgers.  I think he's a class manager, a class person, and an absolute role model when it comes to the way he works.  I think he's a really smart manager who believes in the proper way to play football, and I believe that he believes he will be here for 30 years, will have a few generations of players who truly believe in what he's doing and will love Liverpool, and will win lots of trophies.  I wish I could see 5 years down the line to be honest, because I think he's here for the long-run.  We've been extremely unfortunate this season, but we have played some brilliant football.  We'll see come January if we make the right choices in the market, and as he continues to tweak little things I think it will work out well for him.

So far I've been beyond impressed with what he's done with the player's he's got at his disposal.   

I think I've found some middle ground right here

Wow.

He is class why? What has he ever done to be "class" he is at best uproven at worst underqualified.

A role model? did you see the way he treated carroll? even worse going to press to slag of downing?

Just beacuse he wants to play nice football does not mean he is the second coming.

Beyond impressed?  You really think that?  my god! He has done nothing apart from blood some young talent that impresses me. Hes loss record is worse than roys, he seems to love talking to the press, and we are 6 points above the bottom 3 at xmas.


All he does is talk down (like roy) about how 4 years wont be enough to turn the club around yadda yadda

[The Raven]

I also give up with the imbeciles that think everything is going to be ok and there is nothing wrong at all.

Jan will be the biggest test Rodgers has ever had.

[Thommo's perm]

I also give up with the imbeciles that think everything is going to be ok and there is nothing wrong at all.

Jan will be the biggest test Rodgers has ever had.

Who thinks there is nothing wrong at all?

[redno7]

I also give up with the imbeciles that think everything is going to be ok and there is nothing wrong at all.

Jan will be the biggest test Rodgers has ever had.

your a big drama queen.

We know things aint right yet but give the club chance! we're stumbling along towards a transfer window which everyone is fully aware of the importance, especially Rodgers. they'll be investment in Jan.

as for the current team... it's a big improvement on last season and the season before. The gaffa is installing a playing style that will become brilliant once we have the correct personel in the team. We cant get that until january and then again in summer.

so all this 'i give up' sheite is getting a touch tedious.

[jacdaniel]

I also give up with the imbeciles that think everything is going to be ok and there is nothing wrong at all.

Jan will be the biggest test Rodgers has ever had.

I dont think anybody thinks that nothing is wrong.  A lot of things are wrong.  H + G nearly destroyed the club.  We haven't been in the CL for a few years now.  We've lost the majority of our last title challenging squad.  We've wasted money on some awful players.  We only have one striker.  Our captain is sadly past his peak. 

I have a lot of faith in the current project though.  We won our first trophy in years last season, Now Rodgers has come in and is a young and hungry manager and has us playing some good football, implementing a style that will take time to perfect.  We have a huge number of talented youngsters coming into the first team.  Hopefully we'll have some money to spend over the next 2 windows.

The problem with the current project is that its a long term one.  There isn't a quick fix and thats going to frustrate a lot of people.

[SouthCoastShankly]

We have one of the most sought after young managers in the modern game ,we're playing football the way it should be played ... I honestly don't think I have
seen a Liverpool team so willing to accept the ball ,virtually every player looks comfortable in possession ,we're slowly clawing our way up the table and a
couple of  wins would see us challenging for the much coveted 4th spot ... Some exceptionally talented young kids coming through and we have played most of the big teams off the proverbial park albeit from Arsenal  ,and before the Newcastle game Suarez had comfortably had the most shots on goal of all Premier strikers .

All that taken into account we're easily one of the most exciting teams going forward ....I mean we were constantly being told by the Bitters how much better
they were ,and how poor we had become ,yet but for a glaring error of judgement from Jones and a very dubious refereeing decision we almost took all the points.

So all of a sudden the Bitters were rendered silent once more .Rodgers made that change happen with some extremely imaginative changes of personnel
,because we were being overrun in midfield and the launched balls up to Fellaini (who incidentally bullied Uniteds midfield  to bits ) were negated by changing to three at the back and bringing Coates on... Moyes was flummoxed to the extent of allowing Liverpool the space to force the play in the last 10 minutes which nearly resulted in taking all the spoils ....

We murdered United and if we had pockets roomy enough to afford a referee we would have won ,we blew City off the park and should have had a hatful ,
when only a defensive error from Skrtel allowed them to get back in the game ...  As for Newcastle we dominated from start to finish and Pardew actually
believed prior to this game that his side were the ones  playing decent passing football ,Shelvey should have had a brace ,and Sterling ripped their back
four to shreds with his pace ......Oh, and we have the most exciting player in England in the mercurial magical Suarez ,who incidentally is one goal behind
United's Dutchman who heads the top scorers chart .

Yet still people moan 

I've given up trying to argue with some imbeciles on here who persist in slating the manager.

Yes the click on username and add foe feature on this forum is a very handy  with some of moaning with agenda that's seems to dominates this place at times

Yeah I've seen that, what does it do other than group users based on your preference?

I assume it doesn't block the view of posts by 'foe' posters?

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Thommo's perm

Any ar'sehole can look for negatives. Theyre not hard to find.
Slagging someone off takes no effort whatsoever. Its like moaning, it comes naturally to most people because its not difficult to do.
Go on facebook or twitter, listen to phone ins, read the papers: moan, moan, Fu*king moan. "I dont like him", "He's sh'it", "He's clueless" "He's not good enough" on and on ad nauseum. There is no easy solution to the situation we are in. But SOMEONE'S got to try and get us back on an even keel. Someone has to take charge and try and steer us back on track to where we want to be. Not Gandalf, or Merlin or any other cu'nt with a magic wand, but a real, passionate, hard working man who believes and has a vision. Someone who is willing to take chances and change things. Someone who will have the balls to make mistakes and take the flack on behalf of the team. Someone who is desperate to put LFC back where the fans know we belong. Someone who "gets us"
Criticise all you want but youre wasting your time wishing and dreaming that Mourhino will arrive on a white horse and save the day. Rodgers is the new Shankly and people would be better off looking for positives and giving him their support rather than constantly whinging like arl women

i think in the future rodgers might make a good manager but at the moment he`s got a lot to learn.
for a start he`s got to learn to be a bit more pragmatic, the game at the very top is all about winning, `first is first and second is nowhere` as shanks put it, no one gets a trophy for playing the best footy.
top managers like benitez and mourinho both grew up in countries were the culture is to pass the ball but it didnt stop them having the likes of drogba, carew, crouch etc in their teams and we are talking about a pair of champions league winning coaches here.
hypothetically speaking say we played against a team with a couple of 5 foot 2 centre halves and we had carroll in the squad, we know rodgers wouldnt play him, even though there is an obvious weakness in the opposition he wouldnt try to exploit it because it goes against his `philosophy`.
i think thats crazy, bill shankly won our first ever european trophy by spotting a weakness in the opposition defence and pumping high balls into john toshack. thats not being ale house thats being smart. shankly was the man who invented the `pass and move philosophy`, he`s a million miles away from long ball merchants like dave bassett or tony pulis but he also knew you had to exploit weaknesses in the opposition when they were there.
it`s alright us having mobile quick forwards but what happens if the opposition defence is full of mobile quick defenders? say the opposition defence is made up of 4 bertie vogts? do we flog a dead horse all day or do we try to change tack?
rodgers has only been in management 4 years and he`s had a lot of pats on the back for his style of play so it`s understandable that he wants to keep doing the same things that have got him so many plaudits and seen him get one of the most prestigeous jobs in world football but he`s at the top now and the only thing that matters is results.
he`s making it far too easy for other managers to read him, after the arsenal game at anfield one of the mods posted a tactical analysis of the game in the after match thread and although i think tactics are a bit over rated that analysis was startling, wenger absolutely read us like a book and you can be sure every team that plays us is going to use that as a blueprint.
on sunday you could sense the frustration in pardew because it was only a piece of sublime individual brilliance from suarez that stopped the plan from working again. he actually said in his after match interview that his plan was working great and at half time he thought he`d won.
it`s not a coincidence why we seem to struggle to score in every game and keep getting hit on the break.
rodgers needs to get smart and mix his game up, his philosophy is 90% right, he just needs to add pragmatism to it.

[Thommo's perm]

I also give up with the imbeciles that think everything is going to be ok and there is nothing wrong at all.

Jan will be the biggest test Rodgers has ever had.

I dont think anybody thinks that nothing is wrong.  A lot of things are wrong.  H + G nearly destroyed the club.  We haven't been in the CL for a few years now.  We've lost the majority of our last title challenging squad.  We've wasted money on some awful players.  We only have one striker.  Our captain is sadly past his peak. 

I have a lot of faith in the current project though.  We won our first trophy in years last season, Now Rodgers has come in and is a young and hungry manager and has us playing some good football, implementing a style that will take time to perfect.  We have a huge number of talented youngsters coming into the first team.  Hopefully we'll have some money to spend over the next 2 windows.

The problem with the current project is that its a long term one.  There isn't a quick fix and thats going to frustrate a lot of people.

A week is a long time in football...

[laza]

[quote="[url=http://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=1192711#p1192711]SouthCoastShankly » -[/quote]Yeah I've seen that, what does it do other than group users based on your preference?

I assume it doesn't block the view of posts by 'foe' posters?[/quote]


It certainly does mate, just click on that and you wont have to see the posts unless you choose to

[redno7]

I've just blocked everyone

it's lonely in here...

[tonyeh]

Don't worry. Everyone blocked you on the 1st Nov.

[sgs]

We have one of the most sought after young managers in the modern game ,we're playing football the way it should be played ... I honestly don't think I have
seen a Liverpool team so willing to accept the ball ,virtually every player looks comfortable in possession ,we're slowly clawing our way up the table and a
couple of  wins would see us challenging for the much coveted 4th spot ... Some exceptionally talented young kids coming through and we have played most of the big teams off the proverbial park albeit from Arsenal  ,and before the Newcastle game Suarez had comfortably had the most shots on goal of all Premier strikers .

All that taken into account we're easily one of the most exciting teams going forward ....I mean we were constantly being told by the Bitters how much better
they were ,and how poor we had become ,yet but for a glaring error of judgement from Jones and a very dubious refereeing decision we almost took all the points.

So all of a sudden the Bitters were rendered silent once more .Rodgers made that change happen with some extremely imaginative changes of personnel
,because we were being overrun in midfield and the launched balls up to Fellaini (who incidentally bullied Uniteds midfield  to bits ) were negated by changing to three at the back and bringing Coates on... Moyes was flummoxed to the extent of allowing Liverpool the space to force the play in the last 10 minutes which nearly resulted in taking all the spoils ....

We murdered United and if we had pockets roomy enough to afford a referee we would have won ,we blew City off the park and should have had a hatful ,
when only a defensive error from Skrtel allowed them to get back in the game ...  As for Newcastle we dominated from start to finish and Pardew actually
believed prior to this game that his side were the ones  playing decent passing football ,Shelvey should have had a brace ,and Sterling ripped their back
four to shreds with his pace ......Oh, and we have the most exciting player in England in the mercurial magical Suarez ,who incidentally is one goal behind
United's Dutchman who heads the top scorers chart .

Yet still people moan 

Brilliant post - totally agree with this - Some people will only be happy when we are going out and buying the league - unfortunately that will not happen - steady pregress with a clear plan is what BR is bringing to Liverpool

Beyond the philosophy and changed approach to the game, all of which I support, there is the reality of certain tactical leftovers in BR's team.

We play a defensive line that appears undecided whether to hold a high line or sit deep. So when we press  high as we are increasingly doing, we leave huge undefended zones behind the first line of the pressing players should the opponent play around us.

2ndly, the pressing system is still a little haphazard and is not a full court press. Most importantly, we are not picking out the best moments to press, for a team not engaged in a full court press.

3rd, in the possession phase we play with two wingers who do not consistently get in the box but hold their positions out wide to stretch the defence. Simultaneously, we have too few players getting in the box and we have Suarez repeatedly foraging on his own. And even when Suarez drags defenders out, there is not the corresponding movement to take advantage of the space created.

This is especially sad considering we have a player like Sahin whose game is built on being an 'arrival', and SG who a few years ago had multiple goals from MF.

4th we are not doing enough to control games, and even when we do, the movement in the final third is pedestrian, leaving us with mere possession stats and an over reliance on crosses, individual brilliance by Suarez, etc. The lines of movement around the ball going forward are unclear, fractious and tentative...

[ethanr]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I absolutely love Rodgers.  I think he's a class manager, a class person, and an absolute role model when it comes to the way he works.  I think he's a really smart manager who believes in the proper way to play football, and I believe that he believes he will be here for 30 years, will have a few generations of players who truly believe in what he's doing and will love Liverpool, and will win lots of trophies.  I wish I could see 5 years down the line to be honest, because I think he's here for the long-run.  We've been extremely unfortunate this season, but we have played some brilliant football.  We'll see come January if we make the right choices in the market, and as he continues to tweak little things I think it will work out well for him.

So far I've been beyond impressed with what he's done with the player's he's got at his disposal.

Wow.

He is class why? What has he ever done to be "class" he is at best uproven at worst underqualified.

A role model? did you see the way he treated carroll? even worse going to press to slag of downing?

Just beacuse he wants to play nice football does not mean he is the second coming.

Beyond impressed?  You really think that?  my god! He has done nothing apart from blood some young talent that impresses me. Hes loss record is worse than roys, he seems to love talking to the press, and we are 6 points above the bottom 3 at xmas.


All he does is talk down (like roy) about how 4 years wont be enough to turn the club around yadda yadda.

Nobody's perfect, and the Carroll situation was really his one negative mark.  But what's he supposed to do? He didn't think Carroll would work in his system, and he didn't want to flat out lie to fans, so it was hard for him to handle the Carroll situation  He can't just say Carroll doesn't work, we're trying to move him on.  It would destroy the player and the player's value.  He didn't slag off downing, the media did.  All he's said is his players knows where they stand, and the media turned that into slagging off Downing, he never used names, and he has every right to talk about his club like that.  This is consistently the best football we have played in years, and he's done it with only a few top-class players, and 3 players under the age of 20.

I mean honestly, We have Suarez who's playing really well under his system, Rodgers has figured out what works best for Suarez.  We have Reina in the back having a shocking season and thats got nothing to do with Rogers.  Agger and Skrtel are both playing well.  Johnson's playing much better than last season.  Enrique's form has been horrible so we've resorted to using Wisdom, Our 3 in the center have, for the most part played really well together as we've out possessed almost every club we've played.  Our 2 outside attackers are both young and yet have put in good performances against some top clubs.  Even with Lucas out and Shelvey filling in the middle, we really have done alright.  If it weren't for some players individual mistakes, and quite a few calls gone against us, we'd be near, if not in the top 4.

Against United, if the ref had gotten the red fairly called, we would have won that game.
Against City, Skrtel made a horrible back pass, that's 2 lost points.
Against Arsenal, we didn't play all that well, but Mertesacker should have seen red and we would have had a pen to tie the game.  No way we would have lost that one.
Bad call against Everton is 2 lost points.


Two mistakes that we can clearly choose lost points from, against City and Everton, that's 4 points, no if's and's or but's. Out of all the mistakes you can make that's 2 that have cost us 4 points.  We'd be on 15 just below the top 4, and that still doesn't do justice to what our performances have deserved.