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by **account deleted by request** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:30 pm

bigmick wrote:Anyway we've established that while we aren't going to win the league or even challenge for it, it's unlikely Arsenal will either. Neither will Bolton for that matter, or Wolves.

Like I said, "real fans" have modest ambitions.

Next question are we better than Spurs

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:59 pm

s@int wrote:Nah, I have quotes , sound reasoning and common sense backing me up , all you have are empty questions and doubts.

If this was a boxing match they would have stopped it mate.

And Mick shut up about "real fans" its getting pretty boring now and the only person bringing it up now is you.

by **bigmick** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:42 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:And Mick shut up about "real fans" its getting pretty boring now and the only person bringing it up now is you.

I don't get this. I've been told I'm not a "real fan" by various people on at least 50 occasions. Naturally I gave it a bit of thought, this "real fanness" and try and quantify what they're on about. Once I start to mention it, you're bored of it now and don't want to talk about it anymore :laugh:

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It's like getting repeatedly twatted with a cricket stump, then when the guy throws it away and you pick it up, the same guy says, "hey hang on you c..., cricket stumps are banned"

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by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:45 pm

Who gives a feck what other people say about your support - as you said to me - ignore it - as far as you should be concern your a supporter of liverpool football club and if they want to say your not a real fan then just let them but dont keep going on and on and on about it as it just makes you look like your on that high horse of yours trying to rule the forum again . Ignore them and go back to what you do best and thats boring us with long posts about football .

The more you keep mentioning it the more tedious it becomes and just adds fuel onto the fire .

by **Rockthekop** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:46 pm

What exactly is a real fan anyway?

We're all Liverpool fans who may have differing opinions on the manager or anything else which concerns the club.

Nobody is less of a supporter or not a 'real fan' as some might say, if they don't agree with others on certain issues.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:48 pm

Is correct Rock . We are all Liverpool supporters regardless of opinions .

by **bigmick** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:51 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Who gives a feck what other people say about your support - as you said to me - ignore it - as far as you should be concern your a supporter of liverpool football club and if they want to say your not a real fan then just let them but dont keep going on and on and on about it as it just makes you look like your on that high horse of yours trying to rule the forum again . Ignore them and go back to what you do best and thats boring us with long posts about football .

I do "let them", I'm not "concerned", and I "don't give a feck".

Doesn't mean I can't laugh at them though does it :laugh:

. Similarly, whether or not you choose to get annoyed at me laughing at them, or find it boring, is entirely your own privilage.

If people spent half as much time looking at their own posts as they do worrying about other peoples, then the world would be a better place :nod

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I've already given you trueism today "Real fans have moderate aspirations".

Here's another "Repetitive and boring posters repetitively complain about other posters being repetitive and boring."

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:53 pm

Then dont go aorund preaching about people ruining decent debate when your doing a perfectly good job of it yourself .

by **bigmick** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:16 pm

Rockthekop wrote:What exactly is real fan anyway?

I'm not sure, I only know that I've been told many times on here that I aren't one of them. I've given it some thought, and I don't pretend to have all the answers but I do know this much (I think).

Being a "real fan" has nothing to do with how long you've supported the club (I've been a Liverpool supporter since I was six years old, 1972 to present).

Strangely, for some people it also doesn't matter if you go the game regularly (the bloke who started this thread does and his "real fanness" was questioned) or live near the city (ditto).

It doesn't matter that you slag people who are in the employ of the club on here, in the sense that it is possible to slag certain players off and still be "real". Babel for instance has a target on his back, so does Dossena but to a lesser extent. Even Gerrard can be openly questioned as to his 'body language" his "me-ness" and his "committment". Players such as Kuyt and Lucas are strimctly off limits obviously. The owners of course are right in the hitting zone and you can build your "real fan" status back up be slagging them. That's like one of those "refuel zones" on a computer game where you can build your strength up again.

The manager is absolutely out of bounds obviously. If you express any doubts whatsover about the manager, or openly wonder if we might win a trophy within the next few years, your "real fan" status can be seriously in doubt before you know it. On the other hand, comparing him to managers of our past who won untold trophies and continually talking about his "love for the club" and "tactical genius" can repair damage which you may have inflicted upon yourself. This damage is self inflicted by for instance wondering why Martin Skrtel was playing at right back or Peter Crouch on the left wing.

Another tricky area, a minefield infact, is the one of "belief". This probably trips up more "Real fan" wannabees than any other area. "Belief" is all very well of course, but you've got to be very careful what you believe in. When real fans tell you to "believe", they DON'T mean believe that we really ought to win something occasionally. Believing this is ridiculous and delusional apparently because we haven't got as much money as Chelsea, and because Man Utd had a better team than us in 2003. On the other hand, when we are palably out of any chance whatsoever of winning the title, you mustn't say you "believe" we won't win it. You have to say you "believe" we can, even though you know we won't. You must all the time keep your powder dry to stick the boot into anyone who says that we really ought to be able to have a stab at it, because we obviously can't as we haven't got enough money (see earlier). This section needs to be studied by any wannabees, as it's by far the most treacherous.

Should you pass through these tests without perishing, there are further mountains to climb. You still have to jump through the hoops transfer market wise for instance, and the whole thing culminates in an excrutiatingly difficult short story section where you have to pretend that we've spent less money than everyone else, regardles of whether we have or not.

In short, being a "real fan" is not easy. I'm actually not all that gutted that I aren't one, I don't think I could handle it.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:18 pm

brilliant

by **made in UK** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:20 pm

bigmick wrote:
Rockthekop wrote:What exactly is real fan anyway?

I'm not sure, I only know that I've been told many times on here that I aren't one of them. I've given it some thought, and I don't pretend to have all the answers but I do know this much (I think).

Being a "real fan" has nothing to do with how long you've supported the club (I've been a Liverpool supporter since I was six years old, 1972 to present).

Strangely, for some people it also doesn't matter if you go the game regularly (the bloke who started this thread does and his "real fanness" was questioned) or live near the city (ditto).

It doesn't matter that you slag people who are in the employ of the club on here, in the sense that it is possible to slag certain players off and still be "real". Babel for instance has a target on his back, so does Dossena but to a lesser extent. Even Gerrard can be openly questioned as to his 'body language" his "me-ness" and his "committment", but players such as Kuyt and Lucas are strimctly off limits. the owners of course are right in the hitting zone and you can build your "real fan" status back up be slagging them. That's like one of those "refuel zones" on a computer game where you can build your strength up again.

The manager is absolutely out of bounds obviously. If you express any doubts whatsover about the manager, or openly wonder if we might win a trophy within the next few years, your "real fan" status can be seriously in doubt before you know it. On the other hand, comparing him to managers of our past who won untold trophies and continually talking about his "love for the club" and "tactical genius" can repair damage which you may have inflicted upon yourself by wondering why Martin Skrtel was playing at right back or Peter Crouch on the left wing.

Another tricky area, a minefield infact, is the one of "belief". This probably trips up more "Real fan" wannabees than any other area. "Belief" is all very well of course, but you've got to be very careful what you believe in. When real fans tell you to "believe", they DON'T mean believe that we really ought to win something occasionally. Believing this is ridiculous and delusional apparently because we haven't got as much money as Chelsea, and because Man Utd had a better team than us in 2003. On the other hand, when we are palably out of any chance whatsoever of winning the title, you mustn't say you "believe" we won't win it. You have to say you "believe" we can, even though you know we won't, and all the while keeping your powder dry to stick the boot into anyone who says that we really ought to be able to have a stab at it, because we obviously can't as we haven't got enough money (see earlier). This section needs to be studied by any wannabees, as it's by far the most treacherous.

Should you pass through these tests without perishing, there are further mountains to climb. You still have to jump through the hoops transfer market wise, and the whole thing culminates in an excrutiatingly difficult short story section where you have to pretend that we've spent less money than everyone else, regardles of whether we have or not.

In shgort, being a "real fan" is not easy. I'm actually not all that gutted that I aren't one apparently, I don't think I could handle it.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:30 pm

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:32 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:

Ah come on Benny, whether you agree with it or not, you have to admit it was funny mate. Personally I think there was a lot of truth in it too.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:39 pm

But we have heard it all before in some variation or another during another of Micks High Horse moments .

by **made in UK** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:43 pm

s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote::sleep

Ah come on Benny, whether you agree with it or not, you have to admit it was funny mate. Personally I think there was a lot of truth in it too.

THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

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