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by **Igor Zidane** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:31 pm

s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:What is the likely hood of a top manager wanting to come to LFC ? Serious question . In my humble opinion as a scouse fan (i know , i know it's a very embarresing for our oot support to be associated with a scouser,god forbid hey) no top manager in there right mind would touch us witha bargepoll in our clubs present state. Mourinho and Hiddink leaving there cushy little numbers to manage at ouir shambles of a club . Can we have some realism here please , because the managers we will be looking at will be your middle of the road used to working with a tight budget mid table type managers.

Maybe thats what we need Igor, rather than a manager who thinks he can spend millions on players for the reserves like Houllier did?

Rafa came in as a manager who could win the title without spending big money. £200million later and we are still waiting. Maybe we need a manager that can get the best out of what we have, rather than trying to buy success with no money.

LIKE?

by **LFC2007** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:33 pm

s@int wrote:Maybe Kenny could work his magic? I know he has been out of football for a long while, but he is one of the few managers to not only have won the league in his first season, but to have won the league with two clubs.

To be honest although I would love him to come back and be successful, I would hate to see him fail and perhaps tarnish his rep with us.

I think we should let Rafa see out the season and make our decision once we know where we stand. If Rafa walks I would go for Dalglish as caretaker manager and see how he coped.

I agree with that. If it came down to it at the end of the season and we couldn't afford a Mourinho or a Hiddink (the best two potential candidates by a mile, IMO), then yes Kenny as interim would be ideal. At least then he'd have time to get his bearings. Right now though I don't think it'd be fair on him, not in the shape we're in.

If we fail to turn the corner and look as if we might miss a top four spot, then I could see a decision being made earlier than May, in which case Kenny would be the ideal man as caretaker. As opposed to Sammy Lee.

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:38 pm

s@int wrote:We have a catalogue of injuries, but plenty of new fitness coaches.

Thought about this last night. Most of our injuries seem to be due to muscle strains. Could it be that Rafa's training methods are too much for the player's to cope with? Has he changed something? Or is it just bad luck?

by **Owzat** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:43 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:What is the likely hood of a top manager wanting to come to LFC ? Serious question . In my humble opinion as a scouse fan (i know , i know it's a very embarresing for our oot support to be associated with a scouser,god forbid hey) no top manager in there right mind would touch us witha bargepoll in our clubs present state. Mourinho and Hiddink leaving there cushy little numbers to manage at ouir shambles of a club . Can we have some realism here please , because the managers we will be looking at will be your middle of the road used to working with a tight budget mid table type managers.

Maybe thats what we need Igor, rather than a manager who thinks he can spend millions on players for the reserves like Houllier did?

Rafa came in as a manager who could win the title without spending big money. £200million later and we are still waiting. Maybe we need a manager that can get the best out of what we have, rather than trying to buy success with no money.

LIKE?

I've heard of this bloke, only a rumour like, but people say he has won three Premiership titles against the odds and without the funds that Chelsea and Man Utd have enjoyed. In fact he's rumoured to have won the league without losing a single game, most say "pah, you're making it up", but I truly believe in this 'god'.

I'm wondering if this rumoured bloke might be the man in charge of the team currently lying second, a team that was widely tipped to drop out of the 'big four' and make way for big spending Man City. The only games they've lost this season are in the city of manchester itself, unfortunate to lose against the bigger of the two sides.

It's also rumoured they play a flowing brand of attractive football, maybe it sometimes lacks an end product as they try to walk the ball into the net, but they are the top scorers in the Premiership with the biggest GD.

Maybe we won't get Arsene Wenger, but I'd rather buy him out of his contract and spend £39m on securing his services than see what Rafa signs next.

by **GRAHAM01** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:43 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
s@int wrote:We have a catalogue of injuries, but plenty of new fitness coaches.

Thought about this last night. Most of our injuries seem to be due to muscle strains. Could it be that Rafa's training methods are too much for the player's to cope with? Has he changed something? Or is it just bad luck?

i thought about that myself, i was thinking how come we seem to be getting lots of muscle injurys and wondered if things had been changed this year, i know a lot of staff went before this season was some of them the medical staff??

if it is that training has changed some what is it rafa or sammi or like you say are we just going through a bad stoke of luck

we have had a few fazes of this type of thing one was owen but they just put it down to him growning up and then if remember right didn't baros and cissi have a long time out with muscle problems?

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:46 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:What is the likely hood of a top manager wanting to come to LFC ? Serious question . In my humble opinion as a scouse fan (i know , i know it's a very embarresing for our oot support to be associated with a scouser,god forbid hey) no top manager in there right mind would touch us witha bargepoll in our clubs present state. Mourinho and Hiddink leaving there cushy little numbers to manage at ouir shambles of a club . Can we have some realism here please , because the managers we will be looking at will be your middle of the road used to working with a tight budget mid table type managers.

Maybe thats what we need Igor, rather than a manager who thinks he can spend millions on players for the reserves like Houllier did?

Rafa came in as a manager who could win the title without spending big money. £200million later and we are still waiting. Maybe we need a manager that can get the best out of what we have, rather than trying to buy success with no money.

LIKE?

I have named who I would like Mourinho, Hiddink or Dalglish many times in this thread. As for managers who could get the best out of what we have without big spending, god knows mate.

I do think that sometimes we concentrate too much on what great players we can buy rather than getting the best out of the players we already have though. Who has played consistantly well this season for example? Reina, Johnson possibly Benny. Torres has scored a lot without playing that well, and the rest have been hit and miss for me.

I think everyone would have said before the season that the team was good enough to win the league ? So now we are struggling are the players no longer good enough or is it that we aren't getting the best out of them ? I know we have had injuries, but we lost to Spurs and Villa etc before the injuries kicked in.

by **Igor Zidane** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:51 pm

Owzat wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:What is the likely hood of a top manager wanting to come to LFC ? Serious question . In my humble opinion as a scouse fan (i know , i know it's a very embarresing for our oot support to be associated with a scouser,god forbid hey) no top manager in there right mind would touch us witha bargepoll in our clubs present state. Mourinho and Hiddink leaving there cushy little numbers to manage at ouir shambles of a club . Can we have some realism here please , because the managers we will be looking at will be your middle of the road used to working with a tight budget mid table type managers.

Maybe thats what we need Igor, rather than a manager who thinks he can spend millions on players for the reserves like Houllier did?

Rafa came in as a manager who could win the title without spending big money. £200million later and we are still waiting. Maybe we need a manager that can get the best out of what we have, rather than trying to buy success with no money.

LIKE?

I've heard of this bloke, only a rumour like, but people say he has won three Premiership titles against the odds and without the funds that Chelsea and Man Utd have enjoyed. In fact he's rumoured to have won the league without losing a single game, most say "pah, you're making it up", but I truly believe in this 'god'.

I'm wondering if this rumoured bloke might be the man in charge of the team currently lying second, a team that was widely tipped to drop out of the 'big four' and make way for big spending Man City. The only games they've lost this season are in the city of manchester itself, unfortunate to lose against the bigger of the two sides.

It's also rumoured they play a flowing brand of attractive football, maybe it sometimes lacks an end product as they try to walk the ball into the net, but they are the top scorers in the Premiership with the biggest GD.

Maybe we won't get Arsene Wenger, but I'd rather buy him out of his contract and spend £39m on securing his services than see what Rafa signs next.

Yeh but rafa 's won more than Arsen since being in England . Arsens side has won feck all for how long ..

I said be realistic ffs.

Oh i forgot they do play sexy football for all that gets them .

by **Igor Zidane** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:59 pm

s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:What is the likely hood of a top manager wanting to come to LFC ? Serious question . In my humble opinion as a scouse fan (i know , i know it's a very embarresing for our oot support to be associated with a scouser,god forbid hey) no top manager in there right mind would touch us witha bargepoll in our clubs present state. Mourinho and Hiddink leaving there cushy little numbers to manage at ouir shambles of a club . Can we have some realism here please , because the managers we will be looking at will be your middle of the road used to working with a tight budget mid table type managers.

Maybe thats what we need Igor, rather than a manager who thinks he can spend millions on players for the reserves like Houllier did?

Rafa came in as a manager who could win the title without spending big money. £200million later and we are still waiting. Maybe we need a manager that can get the best out of what we have, rather than trying to buy success with no money.

LIKE?

I have named who I would like Mourinho, Hiddink or Dalglish many times in this thread. As for managers who could get the best out of what we have without big spending, god knows mate.

I do think that sometimes we concentrate too much on what great players we can buy rather than getting the best out of the players we already have though. Who has played consistantly well this season for example? Reina, Johnson possibly Benny. Torres has scored a lot without playing that well, and the rest have been hit and miss for me.

I think everyone would have said before the season that the team was good enough to win the league ? So now we are struggling are the players no longer good enough or is it that we aren't getting the best out of them ? I know we have had injuries, but we lost to Spurs and Villa etc before the injuries kicked in.

Saint hiddink and mourinho are not realistic are they ,no chance .

Ok so we've got who as possibilities ?

O'niell , done feck all of note , nothing at villa for how long .With a decent budget aswell .

Errm who else is there ? Fat sam , well he's done sh!te all except help ruin fottball with his awful tactics and help ruin the barcodes .

Errr Owen coyle , he' doing well with Burnley and maybe we could have a punt on him , after all he couldn;t do any worse than rafa , could he?

Any others?

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:19 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:What is the likely hood of a top manager wanting to come to LFC ? Serious question . In my humble opinion as a scouse fan (i know , i know it's a very embarresing for our oot support to be associated with a scouser,god forbid hey) no top manager in there right mind would touch us witha bargepoll in our clubs present state. Mourinho and Hiddink leaving there cushy little numbers to manage at ouir shambles of a club . Can we have some realism here please , because the managers we will be looking at will be your middle of the road used to working with a tight budget mid table type managers.

Maybe thats what we need Igor, rather than a manager who thinks he can spend millions on players for the reserves like Houllier did?

Rafa came in as a manager who could win the title without spending big money. £200million later and we are still waiting. Maybe we need a manager that can get the best out of what we have, rather than trying to buy success with no money.

LIKE?

I have named who I would like Mourinho, Hiddink or Dalglish many times in this thread. As for managers who could get the best out of what we have without big spending, god knows mate.

I do think that sometimes we concentrate too much on what great players we can buy rather than getting the best out of the players we already have though. Who has played consistantly well this season for example? Reina, Johnson possibly Benny. Torres has scored a lot without playing that well, and the rest have been hit and miss for me.

I think everyone would have said before the season that the team was good enough to win the league ? So now we are struggling are the players no longer good enough or is it that we aren't getting the best out of them ? I know we have had injuries, but we lost to Spurs and Villa etc before the injuries kicked in.

Saint hiddink and mourinho are not realistic are they ,no chance .

Ok so we've got who as possibilities ?

O'niell , done feck all of note , nothing at villa for how long .With a decent budget aswell .

Errm who else is there ? Fat sam , well he's done sh!te all except help ruin fottball with his awful tactics and help ruin the barcodes .

Errr Owen coyle , he' doing well with Burnley and maybe we could have a punt on him , after all he couldn;t do any worse than rafa , could he?

Any others?

There are lots of good managers about Igor. Most of them just need the chance to show just how good they are. I had never heard of Houllier or Rafa before we signed them, so its not as if I have my finger on the pulse of European football mate. Just because they are not houshold names to us doesn't mean they aren't well known or regarded by people in football. I had never heard of Avram Grant for example but he did a good job with Chelsea.

I just think we have tried buying the league without really having the money to do it, maybe its time we tried to win the league by getting the best out of our players.

I think O'Neill has done pretty well myself mate.

by **Igor Zidane** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:24 pm

How has O'Neill done well saint , what has he done ?

Surley we only aim for the best managers out there saint , we don't do also rans do we ?

I find it hard to believe that you've never heard of Houllier and Rafa before they came to LFC mate , they were house hold names on the continent mate .Especially rafa .

by **GRAHAM01** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:26 pm

s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:What is the likely hood of a top manager wanting to come to LFC ? Serious question . In my humble opinion as a scouse fan (i know , i know it's a very embarresing for our oot support to be associated with a scouser,god forbid hey) no top manager in there right mind would touch us witha bargepoll in our clubs present state. Mourinho and Hiddink leaving there cushy little numbers to manage at ouir shambles of a club . Can we have some realism here please , because the managers we will be looking at will be your middle of the road used to working with a tight budget mid table type managers.

Maybe thats what we need Igor, rather than a manager who thinks he can spend millions on players for the reserves like Houllier did?

Rafa came in as a manager who could win the title without spending big money. £200million later and we are still waiting. Maybe we need a manager that can get the best out of what we have, rather than trying to buy success with no money.

LIKE?

I have named who I would like Mourinho, Hiddink or Dalglish many times in this thread. As for managers who could get the best out of what we have without big spending, god knows mate.

I do think that sometimes we concentrate too much on what great players we can buy rather than getting the best out of the players we already have though. Who has played consistantly well this season for example? Reina, Johnson possibly Benny. Torres has scored a lot without playing that well, and the rest have been hit and miss for me.

I think everyone would have said before the season that the team was good enough to win the league ? So now we are struggling are the players no longer good enough or is it that we aren't getting the best out of them ? I know we have had injuries, but we lost to Spurs and Villa etc before the injuries kicked in.

Saint hiddink and mourinho are not realistic are they ,no chance .

Ok so we've got who as possibilities ?

O'niell , done feck all of note , nothing at villa for how long .With a decent budget aswell .

Errm who else is there ? Fat sam , well he's done sh!te all except help ruin fottball with his awful tactics and help ruin the barcodes .

Errr Owen coyle , he' doing well with Burnley and maybe we could have a punt on him , after all he couldn;t do any worse than rafa , could he?

Any others?

There are lots of good managers about Igor. Most of them just need the chance to show just how good they are. I had never heard of Houllier or Rafa before we signed them, so its not as if I have my finger on the pulse of European football mate. Just because they are not houshold names to us doesn't mean they aren't well known or regarded by people in football. I had never heard of Avram Grant for example but he did a good job with Chelsea.

I just think we have tried buying the league without really having the money to do it, maybe its time we tried to win the league by getting the best out of our players.

I think O'Neill has done pretty well myself mate.

agreed i know he has not had a grweat deal of success with villa but look at where they where before he took over and see the change now there in a different league ( if you know what i mean )

by **Igor Zidane** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:30 pm

GRAHAM01 wrote:
s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:What is the likely hood of a top manager wanting to come to LFC ? Serious question . In my humble opinion as a scouse fan (i know , i know it's a very embarresing for our oot support to be associated with a scouser,god forbid hey) no top manager in there right mind would touch us witha bargepoll in our clubs present state. Mourinho and Hiddink leaving there cushy little numbers to manage at ouir shambles of a club . Can we have some realism here please , because the managers we will be looking at will be your middle of the road used to working with a tight budget mid table type managers.

Maybe thats what we need Igor, rather than a manager who thinks he can spend millions on players for the reserves like Houllier did?

Rafa came in as a manager who could win the title without spending big money. £200million later and we are still waiting. Maybe we need a manager that can get the best out of what we have, rather than trying to buy success with no money.

LIKE?

I have named who I would like Mourinho, Hiddink or Dalglish many times in this thread. As for managers who could get the best out of what we have without big spending, god knows mate.

I do think that sometimes we concentrate too much on what great players we can buy rather than getting the best out of the players we already have though. Who has played consistantly well this season for example? Reina, Johnson possibly Benny. Torres has scored a lot without playing that well, and the rest have been hit and miss for me.

I think everyone would have said before the season that the team was good enough to win the league ? So now we are struggling are the players no longer good enough or is it that we aren't getting the best out of them ? I know we have had injuries, but we lost to Spurs and Villa etc before the injuries kicked in.

Saint hiddink and mourinho are not realistic are they ,no chance .

Ok so we've got who as possibilities ?

O'niell , done feck all of note , nothing at villa for how long .With a decent budget aswell .

Errm who else is there ? Fat sam , well he's done sh!te all except help ruin fottball with his awful tactics and help ruin the barcodes .

Errr Owen coyle , he' doing well with Burnley and maybe we could have a punt on him , after all he couldn;t do any worse than rafa , could he?

Any others?

There are lots of good managers about Igor. Most of them just need the chance to show just how good they are. I had never heard of Houllier or Rafa before we signed them, so its not as if I have my finger on the pulse of European football mate. Just because they are not houshold names to us doesn't mean they aren't well known or regarded by people in football. I had never heard of Avram Grant for example but he did a good job with Chelsea.

I just think we have tried buying the league without really having the money to do it, maybe its time we tried to win the league by getting the best out of our players.

I think O'Neill has done pretty well myself mate.

agreed i know he has not had a grweat deal of success with villa but look at where they where before he took over and see the change now there in a different league ( if you know what i mean )

What league would that be , the champions league . Seriously they've done nothing . Not even challenged the top four . Sh!te in europe , the fa cup ,the league cup and the league . Nothing for a lot of dosh spent .

by **GRAHAM01** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:39 pm

What league would that be , the champions league . Seriously they've done nothing . Not even challenged the top four . Sh!te in europe , the fa cup ,the league cup and the league . Nothing for a lot of dosh spent .

had to quote it this way

what i mean is imo villa would not be in the prem if they had not got o neil ( e.g stayed with what they had or got big sam as was the talk at the time ) i would agreed he did not do a wonderful job with there euro games last season but he thought ( right or wrongly ) he had bigger and better things to play for at the time, he was high in the league and hoped for a top 4 spot but failed

he has built a very good young side that could go on to do some great things with 2 or 3 top players, would you take a villa side with torres,gerrard, mash in it to are team now??

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:49 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:How has O'Neill done well saint , what has he done ?

Surley we only aim for the best managers out there saint , we don't do also rans do we ?

I find it hard to believe that you've never heard of Houllier and Rafa before they came to LFC mate , they were house hold names on the continent mate .Especially rafa .

How has O'Neill done well saint , what has he done ?

Won Two League cups with Leicester city and reached another final.

Won the treble in his first season with Celtic and took them to the UEFA CUP FINAL beating Liverpool along the way.

Since going to Villa he has got them challenging for a top four place and has done well imo.

Surley we only aim for the best managers out there saint , we don't do also rans do we ?

You seem happy to accept being an also ran at the moment ?
The best manager is the one that wins things with us, we haven't won anything for three years and our streak shows no signs of abating just yet.

I find it hard to believe that you've never heard of Houllier and Rafa before they came to LFC mate , they were house hold names on the continent mate .Especially rafa .

Nah mate , I hadn't heard of either...... I had heard of Mourinho, Curbishley and O'Neill though.

I don't believe in five year plans, I think a good manager can win the league in his first year or second year if the team is good enough and I think our team is good enough, I don't think we are seeing or getting the best out of them.

I think the choice is to either give Rafa another couple of hundred million and we might win the league, or get the right man in and hopefully win it sooner and with less expense. And as there doesn't seem much chance of Rafa getting the money, we may as well try and get the right man.

I really don't agree with all the people who say if we change managers we will have to start all over again. Get the right man and you don't need many changes ..... look at Ancellotte (sp) at Chelsea.

by **big al** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:52 pm

It was mentioned here that Rafa's training methods might be contributing to injury. I would say that the opposite is true. Benitez has spend a considerably amout of time and energy into insuring that the training regime at Melwood is second to none in the world of football. Its true that some of his younger players struggle to follow the programme Rafa has for them but that's a different matter. Anyone who would criticise Rafa Benitez for his training regime is vastly inderestimating his qualities. He has it down to a tee. Try another angle. Training, fitness, diet and recovery is what makes Rafa an exceptional coach. His failings are elsewhere.

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