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by **account deleted by request** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:32 pm

made in UK wrote:
s@int wrote:
made in UK wrote:
s@int wrote:I don't think he has lost the dressing room , but he certainly lost a lot of experienced backroom staff in the summer. Rafa is fond of saying how its the little details that make the difference between winning and losing. Maybe sacking so many staff and losing all that experience is part of the problem we now have? We have a catalogue of injuries, but plenty of new fitness coaches.

who did he sack?

SACKED BACKROOM STAFF:
Gary Ablett – Reserve team manager (2 years)
Piet Hamburg – Academy director (2 years)
Hugh McAuley – Under 18 coach (20 years)
Dave Shannon – Under-16 coach (20 years)
Paul Lever – Under-14 coach (18 years)
Billy Stewart - Academy goalkeeper coach (10 years)
Norman Gard - Players’ liaison officer (15 years)
Tim Divine – Education officer (15 years)
John Wright – Kit man (15 years)
Victor Salinas – Physio (4 years)
Gerard Nus - Sports scientist (2 years)
Angel Vales - Sports scientist (1 year)
Simon Farnworth – Academy physio (10 years)
John Coburn – Academy physio (8 years)
Jan de Koning – Assistant academy director (2 years)
Tim Dittmar – Academy goalkeeper coach (8 years)

Do you think he was forced to let go of the staff due to our financial situation?

Thats a big list, surely he didn't sack them because of differing opinions.

Supposedly it was because they were all "Parry men". Must have cost a fortune paying them off and then paying a signing on fee for their replacements?

I can't see why he would sack the kitman ...... what did he do wrong, put too much starch in the shirts?

There has been a big fuss about Liverpool players not exchanging shirts at the end of the games this year. Another cost cutting excercise?

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:32 pm

Not really true Ciggy im afraid - Rafa released a lot of the staff due to wanting to improve the reserve and academy and the links to the first team - all the people that left had been involved in that area plus a few wanted to go back to spain . It wasnt for financial reasons this time .

by **Kopite25** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:33 pm

Think that David Maddox article posted above is one of the most well written things I've read about our club from a Jurno (esp a London based 1) in years.

Was actually gonna post it myself but was beaten to it lol.

So disapointed after last night as apart from 1 silly mistake & a wonder goal that lets be honest would prob deserve to win any game I thought we played excellent (apart from Reira being so greedy grrrrrrrr).

by **made in UK** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:40 pm

I can't see why he would sack the kitman ...... what did he do wrong, put too much starch in the shirts?

I didn't even see him amongst that lot

I shouldn't laugh :laugh:

Little tip for the new kitman, boil water in a pot. Throw in the egg white of three eggs. The calcium content in eggs brings out the whites whiter, and makes them softer too. :;):

Apparently. Surely a couple of eggs would save a few pennies compared to DAZ ultra.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:41 pm

Maybe just wanted a whole new regime within the club and included the kit man

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:48 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Maybe just wanted a whole new regime within the club and included the kit man

I heard it was because he was passing on info, but can't remember where I heard it so it might not be true.

by **Ciggy** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:49 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Not really true Ciggy im afraid - Rafa released a lot of the staff due to wanting to improve the reserve and academy and the links to the first team - all the people that left had been involved in that area plus a few wanted to go back to spain . It wasnt for financial reasons this time .

Not all but some needed to be off the wage bill, and people where telling stories about what was happening inside the club, thats all stopped now.

by **Owzat** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:49 pm

s@int wrote:I can't see why he would sack the kitman ...... what did he do wrong, put too much starch in the shirts?

Probably put out two left boots for some players, sometimes seems like a plausible explanation for some of the players' performances

by **made in UK** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:52 pm

Owzat wrote:
s@int wrote:I can't see why he would sack the kitman ...... what did he do wrong, put too much starch in the shirts?

Probably put out two left boots for some players, sometimes seems like a plausible explanation for some of the players' performances

by **LFC2007** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:59 pm

phil_cool wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:I think the potential for it to get a lot worse would increase if we fecked around with the manager situation now. We have to bear in mind that we've got City at home approaching - now a hugely significant fixture, with an international break in between - a chance for fresh impetus; for our injured players to recuperate and for those involved to get away and refresh mentally, an opportunity too for Rafa to reflect on where we've gone wrong and how we might resolve our problems. He has a lot of knowledge about this team, a great deal more than any interim replacement would ever be able to acquire in such a short period of time. In the long-run, that understanding should pay off - at least insofar as getting us a top four spot it should, and that's why I think the fact that recent performances have improved is something to be especially hopeful about.

It's certainly as positive a sign as you'll find at the moment.

A lot would depend on who we brought in. Hiddink turned Chelsea around, Redknapp turned Spurs around, get the right person in and maybe we could still save something from this season.

Yes, I know.

How realistic is it that we might be able to lure one of the top, top managers here at this very moment?

I mean, outside of Mourinho and Hiddink, for me it wouldn't be worth the risk changing the manager. I'm working on the assumption that Mourinho wouldn't up and leave a good work in progress, and if he would be prepared to, then I rest on the assumption that the club wouldn't currently be able to fund that change. Hiddink has WC qualifiers to prepare for, and thereafter the WC itself, he would also be particularly costly, so again I think it's unlikely he'd move right now.

by **Igor Zidane** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:11 pm

What is the likely hood of a top manager wanting to come to LFC ? Serious question . In my humble opinion as a scouse fan (i know , i know it's a very embarresing for our oot support to be associated with a scouser,god forbid hey) no top manager in there right mind would touch us witha bargepoll in our clubs present state. Mourinho and Hiddink leaving there cushy little numbers to manage at ouir shambles of a club . Can we have some realism here please , because the managers we will be looking at will be your middle of the road used to working with a tight budget mid table type managers.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:15 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
phil_cool wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:I think the potential for it to get a lot worse would increase if we fecked around with the manager situation now. We have to bear in mind that we've got City at home approaching - now a hugely significant fixture, with an international break in between - a chance for fresh impetus; for our injured players to recuperate and for those involved to get away and refresh mentally, an opportunity too for Rafa to reflect on where we've gone wrong and how we might resolve our problems. He has a lot of knowledge about this team, a great deal more than any interim replacement would ever be able to acquire in such a short period of time. In the long-run, that understanding should pay off - at least insofar as getting us a top four spot it should, and that's why I think the fact that recent performances have improved is something to be especially hopeful about.

It's certainly as positive a sign as you'll find at the moment.

A lot would depend on who we brought in. Hiddink turned Chelsea around, Redknapp turned Spurs around, get the right person in and maybe we could still save something from this season.

Yes, I know.

How realistic is it that we might be able to lure one of the top, top managers here at this very moment?

I mean, outside of Mourinho and Hiddink, for me it wouldn't be worth the risk changing the manager. I'm working on the assumption that Mourinho wouldn't up and leave a good work in progress, and if he would be prepared to, then I rest on the assumption that the club wouldn't currently be able to fund that change. Hiddink has WC qualifiers to prepare for, and thereafter the WC itself, so again I think it's unlikely he'd move right now.

Maybe Kenny could work his magic? I know he has been out of football for a long while, but he is one of the few managers to not only have won the league in his first season, but to have won the league with two clubs.

To be honest although I would love him to come back and be successful, I would hate to see him fail and perhaps tarnish his rep with us.

I think we should let Rafa see out the season and make our decision once we know where we stand. If Rafa walks I would go for Dalglish as caretaker manager and see how he coped.

by **Igor Zidane** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:19 pm

s@int wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
phil_cool wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:I think the potential for it to get a lot worse would increase if we fecked around with the manager situation now. We have to bear in mind that we've got City at home approaching - now a hugely significant fixture, with an international break in between - a chance for fresh impetus; for our injured players to recuperate and for those involved to get away and refresh mentally, an opportunity too for Rafa to reflect on where we've gone wrong and how we might resolve our problems. He has a lot of knowledge about this team, a great deal more than any interim replacement would ever be able to acquire in such a short period of time. In the long-run, that understanding should pay off - at least insofar as getting us a top four spot it should, and that's why I think the fact that recent performances have improved is something to be especially hopeful about.

It's certainly as positive a sign as you'll find at the moment.

A lot would depend on who we brought in. Hiddink turned Chelsea around, Redknapp turned Spurs around, get the right person in and maybe we could still save something from this season.

Yes, I know.

How realistic is it that we might be able to lure one of the top, top managers here at this very moment?

I mean, outside of Mourinho and Hiddink, for me it wouldn't be worth the risk changing the manager. I'm working on the assumption that Mourinho wouldn't up and leave a good work in progress, and if he would be prepared to, then I rest on the assumption that the club wouldn't currently be able to fund that change. Hiddink has WC qualifiers to prepare for, and thereafter the WC itself, so again I think it's unlikely he'd move right now.

Maybe Kenny could work his magic? I know he has been out of football for a long while, but he is one of the few managers to not only have won the league in his first season, but to have won the league with two clubs.

To be honest although I would love him to come back and be successful, I would hate to see him fail and perhaps tarnish his rep with us.

I think we should let Rafa see out the season and make our decision once we know where we stand. If Rafa walks I would go for Dalglish as caretaker manager and see how he coped.

It's the most sensible thing to do mate , wether you want rafa to stay or not . This should be what happens next , leave it until the end of the season .

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:20 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:What is the likely hood of a top manager wanting to come to LFC ? Serious question . In my humble opinion as a scouse fan (i know , i know it's a very embarresing for our oot support to be associated with a scouser,god forbid hey) no top manager in there right mind would touch us witha bargepoll in our clubs present state. Mourinho and Hiddink leaving there cushy little numbers to manage at ouir shambles of a club . Can we have some realism here please , because the managers we will be looking at will be your middle of the road used to working with a tight budget mid table type managers.

Maybe thats what we need Igor, rather than a manager who thinks he can spend millions on players for the reserves like Houllier did?

Rafa came in as a manager who could win the title without spending big money. £200million later and we are still waiting. Maybe we need a manager that can get the best out of what we have, rather than trying to buy success with no money.

by **GRAHAM01** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:25 pm

as a replacment (and but saying this i am in no way saying i want him to go as i do not) but with Mourinho and Hiddink i would throw in o neil aswell, i know not everyone likes him but i think he could be someone who could come in a do a good job

i think he would come in with his arm around the shoulder way of doing things and maybe just maybe he would get a bit more out or a few of the players who seem to have hit a brick wall

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