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Postby Dazzer » Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:50 am

lakes10 wrote:ok with results going the way they are there is a very real danger that Rafa will walk or get sack.

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what results do we need to get to stop him from going or getting the sack, i mean in the long run.
if we dont end up in the cl next year i think it will be very hard for him to keep his job....or being 4th and being 15 points off the top just as bad.

say we are going to have a bad year, how bad can it get and Rafa still have his job.


so get this right, i am not saying sack him, i am asking what can he get away with or what results do we need for him to still be our manager next year.

He has to go for me lakes he ain't been doing to bad of late with tactics but its too  little to late his downfall for me has been his stupid buys and dropping the level of the squad to a top 8 side.
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Postby lakes10 » Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:57 am

Dazzer wrote:
lakes10 wrote:ok with results going the way they are there is a very real danger that Rafa will walk or get sack.

now

what results do we need to get to stop him from going or getting the sack, i mean in the long run.
if we dont end up in the cl next year i think it will be very hard for him to keep his job....or being 4th and being 15 points off the top just as bad.

say we are going to have a bad year, how bad can it get and Rafa still have his job.


so get this right, i am not saying sack him, i am asking what can he get away with or what results do we need for him to still be our manager next year.

He has to go for me lakes he ain't been doing to bad of late with tactics but its too  little to late his downfall for me has been his stupid buys and dropping the level of the squad to a top 8 side.

ok so what would you need to see to say" ok he should stay"

would it be results alone or the way the teams plays and looks?
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Postby account deleted by request » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:11 am

see where we finish and what we have won at the end of the season. No cups and more than 10 points off the top and we should start looking around for who's available.

Houllier was saved by a league cup win, maybe the FA cup can do a similar job for Rafa?  I still haven't given up hope of qualifying for the CL knockout stage ......YET.
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Postby puroresu » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:13 am

11 points behind the leaders in november.  Not good enough!!
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Postby Greavesie » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:19 am

s@int wrote:see where we finish and what we have won at the end of the season. No cups and more than 10 points off the top and we should start looking around for who's available.

Houllier was saved by a league cup win, maybe the FA cup can do a similar job for Rafa?  I still haven't given up hope of qualifying for the CL knockout stage ......YET.

I agree with this, I'm really starting to lose hope this season  :(
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Postby NiftyNeil » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:54 am

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Postby Ciggy » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:56 am

Not one single fan interviewed on SSN was from Liverpool who wanted Rafa out, go figure support yer local team thats always an option.  No?
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Postby killerp » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:03 am

muzza798 wrote:-Benitez will stay

-We'll get in the top 4 this season

-There will be major investment in the team next year

-All our big players will be fit and we'll probably have a deeper squad with a few 10 mil signings here and there for cover.

-We'll defo win something next year with the squad we'll have. Lets face it, if Aquilani was fit from day 1 we'd easiliy be in the top 2/3 by now and would of wiped the floor with chelski.

Lucus is decent but goes MIA in every game for atleast 20 mins. When Aquilani came on against ARS he was baging passes left, right and center, defending, going forward. He was a presence in the team. Lucus never plays any amazing balls which is basically his job, Never seeks the ball, is always too deep and has no pace to drop back when countered.

Rafa will easiliy be safe this season even though i previously thought otherwise. We all know deep down that its the injuries :censored: this season up and yes its his fault that Raf's not bought a second team but its not worth sacking him over that and its not worth sacking him for the simple fact weve had some pretty big :censored: injury problems.

Rafa will stay - yes

Will we stay in the top four - I don't know but Liverpool usually turn around their form in November to try to make up for disasters early in the season.

If Aquilani was fit from day 1 (as you would expect for a new signing) he would have brought a lot more balance to the team.
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Postby account deleted by request » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:09 am

Ciggy wrote:Not one single fan interviewed on SSN was from Liverpool who wanted Rafa out, go figur,e support yer local team thats always an option. No?

There is such a thing as being too loyal Ciggy, once it starts damaging the team its past time for change. I am not saying Rafa is damaging the team yet..... he's just costing us time at the moment, but what happens once Carra and Gerrard run out of time?  Do you really think our owners will go out and pay £60million to buy Kaka to replace Gerrard ?
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Postby bigmick » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:56 am

Well I don't have loyalty to Rafael Benitez, I don't support Rafael Benitez FC, it's Liverpool FC. That said, I still think we should stick with the manager for a number of reasons.

Firstly, it is absolutely vital that we get into the top four and at this stage I can't see that we're any more likely to achive that if we stuck someone else in charge. It'd be different if the team looked dispirited, or there wasn't any sensible reason for the awful form, but the injuries are clearly having an impact so I'd be inclined to wait until people are fit and then have a look. If at some point it starts to look like we won't get into the top four, or it has that look where the manager has "lost" the dressing room, then I'd pull the trigger and let Kenny be caretaker. We can't though in all seriousness look for a replacement until the end of the season, as we've then got much more chance of getting someone good.

So it's not loyalty on my part, I just think that given the circumstances we should leave the manager where he is and just hope he turns it around.
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Postby Effes » Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:21 am

I've normally called it a day with managers sooner than the rest of Anfield in the past.

I thought we hung on to Houllier a season too long.

I'm reluctant to say Rafa's time is up, it just seems too soon after coming 2nd in the league.

There is still plenty of time to turn it around.

Coming in the top 4 is key - it could cripple us if we don't.
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Postby bigmick » Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:31 am

Effes wrote:I've normally called it a day with managers sooner than the rest of Anfield in the past.

I thought we hung on to Houllier a season too long.

I'm reluctant to say Rafa's time is up, it just seems too soon after coming 2nd in the league.

Agreed on the coming second in the league. That said, the old "golden opportunity theory" is looking like a fairly reasonable one as these things go as of now.
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Postby boodiddy1 » Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:39 am

bigmick wrote:Well I don't have loyalty to Rafael Benitez, I don't support Rafael Benitez FC it's Liverpool. That said, I still think we should stick with the manager for a number of reasons.

Firstly, it is absolutely vital that we get into the top four and at this stage I can't see that we're any more likely to achive that if we stuck someone else in charge. It'd be different if the team looked dispirited, or there wasn't any sensible reason for the awful form, but the injuries are clearly having an impact so I'd be inclined to wait until people are fit and then have a look. If at some point it starts to look like we won't get into the top four, or it has that look where the manager has "lost" the dressing room, then I'd pull the trigger and let Kenny be caretaker. We can't though in all seriousness look for a replacement until the end of the season, as we've then got much more chance of getting someone good.

So it's not loyalty on my part, I just think that given the circumstances we should leave the manager where he is and just hope he turns it around.

Very contradicting there Mick. If we cant get into top four, give Kenny a go? Give it to Kenny now, he'd get them going again. Don't tell me that a change isn't good. Did redknapp turn spurs around last year with Ramos' players? Allardyce got blackburn away from trouble with Ince's team.

I could go on and on. Rafa has brought tthis on himself. Every manager knows he's gonna have injury problems at some stage. Thats why its a squad game.  However, rafa has :censored: this up we buying pure mediocrity for back up. He doesn't give the kids coming through a chance. Dont tell me that one of the kids cant be successful. They need a chance, and i dont mean one off carling cup games where there teammates are the squad players. Put them in with the strongest ten etc. I mean gerrard didn't boss games at first did he? Carra, i seem to recall many fans wanting him out of the team cos he was so poor at full back. (Albeit, left side)

Rafa cant complain about not having the resources. He has, and as such as left us weak. We all knew before the season started that we needed a striker. We also knew that we needed a replacement for Hyypia. Also, buying Aquaman for 20m, when he knew he wouldn't be really playing at top level till december was madness. I mean, Barry at City for12mthat could of allowed us to get a back up for torres or a bloody good repllacement for sami, instead of zorba the :censored: greek!!

Tonight has just sapped all my energy out of me. Its too much like houlliers last days at the club. Thanks for 2005, but, you cant live on that forever. We have given you enough money for a couple of tables rafa. But, you've bought countless numbers of lamps.

Go with your dignity, and let the King return to rescue us. I'd walk a million miles, just to see one of your goals, ohhhh Kenny. :D
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Postby parchpea » Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:49 am

Sections of the Liverpool support are like a bird with a rubbish boyfriend who keeps letting her down but she keeps hold of a few moments when the realtionship was really good and hangs in there.Thing is she can do better, eveyone can see it accept her but she cant move on and deal with it so she sticks with him. Benitez is not bigger than the football club but the way he is put on a pedestal by some it makes me wonder. How in Gods name is the way we are shaping up acceptable for this football club and what the hell happended to the heart and soul that would not accept the unacceptable.Has it been ripped out maybe.For crying out loud lets remove him and get cracking with a fresh start.
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Postby LFC2007 » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:43 am

I think the potential for it to get a lot worse would increase if we fecked around with the manager situation now. We have to bear in mind that we've got City at home approaching - now a hugely significant fixture, with an international break in between - a chance for fresh impetus; for our injured players to recuperate and for those involved to get away and refresh mentally, an opportunity too for Rafa to reflect on where we've gone wrong and how we might resolve our problems. He has a lot of knowledge about this team, a great deal more than any interim replacement would ever be able to acquire in such a short period of time. In the long-run, that understanding should pay off - at least insofar as getting us a top four spot it should, and that's why I think the fact that recent performances have improved is something to be especially hopeful about. 

It's certainly as positive a sign as you'll find at the moment.
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