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by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:29 pm

Not making excuses saint - its called looking at other reasons as opposed to lumping all the blame at the feet of the manager - realising that there is more than one person at fault than just the manager - ie the players as well . The players still made those mistakes later in the season . The players have fecked up on the pitch and the manager has made mistakes - they now all need to react and repair and correct those mistakes.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:37 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Not making excuses saint - its called looking at other reasons as opposed to lumping all the blame at the feet of the manager - realising that there is more than one person at fault than just the manager - ie the players as well . The players still made those mistakes later in the season . The players have fecked up on the pitch and the manager has made mistakes - they now all need to react and repair and correct those mistakes.

Who bought the players , who picks the players, who decides on the tactics, who brings the players off and makes the subs. Who is responsible for ensuring they are prepared properly, who is responsible for seeing that they have adequate backup ?

As I have said before Rafa makes too many mistakes and gambles too much and too often. When his gambles pay off he is a genius when it doesn't its the players fault :no

by **lakes10** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:41 pm

s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Not outstanding though are they saint - and tevez wasnt bought and was 10 mil for two years on loan .

Owen done nothing much for the mancs
Heinze had one good season out of three
Foster ? - great ability and was great for watford but for the mancs ?

What about chelsea ?

I am not going through all the other f.king clubs list mate. I am happy to accept verdict...... you want to argue YOU DO IT

So does that mean we must take this ex players view and accept them or only ones that agree with your own opinion ? do you accept Didi's view's ?

I am happy to accept Hansen's opinion, if you are not its up to you to prove him wrong .....not me.

trying not to read to much into what Hansen but it tends to back up the "5 games to save his job" that was reported after the man u game by SSN.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:45 pm

lakes10 wrote:trying not to read to much into what Hansen but it tends to back up the "5 games to save his job" that was reported after the man u game by SSN.

His job is safer than Hick's wallet mate. Unless he walks or Real Madrid make the two clowns an offer they can't refuse, Rafa will be here till the end of the season.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:46 pm

s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Not making excuses saint - its called looking at other reasons as opposed to lumping all the blame at the feet of the manager - realising that there is more than one person at fault than just the manager - ie the players as well . The players still made those mistakes later in the season . The players have fecked up on the pitch and the manager has made mistakes - they now all need to react and repair and correct those mistakes.

Who bought the players , who picks the players, who decides on the tactics, who brings the players off and makes the subs. Who is responsible for ensuring they are prepared properly, who is responsible for seeing that they have adequate backup ?

As I have said before Rafa makes too many mistakes and gambles too much and too often. When his gambles pay off he is a genius when it doesn't its the players fault

Whoa lets hold on there - where have i stated its all the players fault when its wrong and just Rafas plan when it goes right - like i said they must all share the blame - they all take the credit when it goes right and when its not going right they share the blame - its a team game and they are all in it together .

As been stated on other forums - we have improved under Rafa season upon season - maybe its not at the rate some want but its still improvement - we are currently in a poor patch and we need to drag ourselves out of it - as a team - as one just like liverpool allways have done instead of lumping all the blame firmly at the manager - we have never done that before even with souness - its a team game . Those players he bought as you suggest beat the mancs recently and last season came within 4 points of winning the whole damn thing so they have the ability they just need to show it again .

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:47 pm

lakes10 wrote:trying not to read to much into what Hansen but it tends to back up the "5 games to save his job" that was reported after the man u game by SSN.

The same "ssn" that had Rafa sacked before the Madrid game last season :Oo:

by **muzza798** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:48 pm

I'd take Mourinho. Passion in a bottle with him. He's got the winning mentality and has a great record. Didnt he support us when he was a kid aswell? Defo worth a shout. Im sorry but Benitez has had 5 years and weve barely moved forwards. Hes taken us as far as he can imo and now we need a new manager with a new mentality who wont make absolute :censored:

decisions. If Benitez gets us knocked out of the CL and we loose any more Prem games befor jan i know he will either leave or get kicked out.

by **lakes10** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:52 pm

s@int wrote:
lakes10 wrote:trying not to read to much into what Hansen but it tends to back up the "5 games to save his job" that was reported after the man u game by SSN.

His job is safer than Hick's wallet mate. Unless he walks or Real Madrid make the two clowns an offer they can't refuse, Rafa will be here till the end of the season.

even if we dont win the next 10 games?

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:53 pm

muzza798 wrote:I'd take Mourinho. Passion in a bottle with him. He's got the winning mentality and has a great record. Didnt he support us when he was a kid aswell? Defo worth a shout. Im sorry but Benitez has had 5 years and weve barely moved forwards. Hes taken us as far as he can imo and now we need a new manager with a new mentality who wont make absolute decisions. If Benitez gets us knocked out of the CL and we loose any more Prem games befor jan i know he will either leave or get kicked out.

2004/05: Finished 5th – 58 pts
2005/06: Finished 3rd – 82 pts
2006/07: Finished 3rd – 68 pts
2007/08: Finished 4th – 76 pts
2008/09: Finished 2nd – 86 pts

That suggests we have moved forwards - 28 points forward to be exact .

As well as a CL win , FA Cup , Another CL final , semi final quarter final and a CC final .

Think that suggest to me moving forward.

Maureen will not be at Liverpool at any point in the future .

Reasons - Owners,Lack of Funds , The job he has currently .

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:55 pm

lakes10 wrote:
s@int wrote:
lakes10 wrote:trying not to read to much into what Hansen but it tends to back up the "5 games to save his job" that was reported after the man u game by SSN.

His job is safer than Hick's wallet mate. Unless he walks or Real Madrid make the two clowns an offer they can't refuse, Rafa will be here till the end of the season.

even if we dont win the next 10 games?

The owners will wait until end of season and see if we get into CL - they know Rafa has a great record reaching the CL and thats where the money is , for them the risk of replacing Rafa (with a big compo payout) and still not getting into the top 4 is too great IMO.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:55 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Not making excuses saint - its called looking at other reasons as opposed to lumping all the blame at the feet of the manager - realising that there is more than one person at fault than just the manager - ie the players as well . The players still made those mistakes later in the season . The players have fecked up on the pitch and the manager has made mistakes - they now all need to react and repair and correct those mistakes.

Who bought the players , who picks the players, who decides on the tactics, who brings the players off and makes the subs. Who is responsible for ensuring they are prepared properly, who is responsible for seeing that they have adequate backup ?

As I have said before Rafa makes too many mistakes and gambles too much and too often. When his gambles pay off he is a genius when it doesn't its the players fault

Whoa lets hold on there - where have i stated its all the players fault when its wrong and just Rafas plan when it goes right - like i said they must all share the blame - they all take the credit when it goes right and when its not going right they share the blame - its a team game and they are all in it together .

As been stated on other forums - we have improved under Rafa season upon season - maybe its not at the rate some want but its still improvement - we are currently in a poor patch and we need to drag ourselves out of it - as a team - as one just like liverpool allways have done instead of lumping all the blame firmly at the manager - we have never done that before even with souness - its a team game . Those players he bought as you suggest beat the mancs recently and last season came within 4 points of winning the whole damn thing so they have the ability they just need to show it again .

The buck stops with the manager mate. Players can play badly , make mistakes, be out of form. Its up to the manager to do something about it. The problem is because we haven't got a strong enough squad there is little he can do about it.

What he shouldn't do though is make matters worse by playing players out of position, taking off our main goal threats when we are losing and sending the wrong message out to the players.

by **lakes10** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:59 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
s@int wrote:
lakes10 wrote:trying not to read to much into what Hansen but it tends to back up the "5 games to save his job" that was reported after the man u game by SSN.

His job is safer than Hick's wallet mate. Unless he walks or Real Madrid make the two clowns an offer they can't refuse, Rafa will be here till the end of the season.

even if we dont win the next 10 games?

The owners will wait until end of season and see if we get into CL - they know Rafa has a great record reaching the CL and thats where the money is , for them the risk of replacing Rafa (with a big compo payout) and still not getting into the top 4 is too great .

you are a fool if you think that, for one rafa will walk before he looks too bad and for another if we dont win our next game and at the weekend he will be gone.

owners always back the manager just before they sack them.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:02 am

Im sorry saint but its easy for us to judge sitting on sofas watching the game unfold without realising what Rafa has to do - he knows he has to succeed in the CL as well as the Prem and has to make judgement calls - yes sometimes he does make the wrong call - all managers do - yet on a number of times i have seen his subs come on and won games for us . Taking of torres on sat was the totally correct desicion considering his fitness currently but taking off yossi was incorrect .

Things just arent going the right way at the moment with the games , with injuries when you look at the players we are missing currently- we started off poorly then got a good run going then lost players though injury - yes we havent got good enough back up in some areas but that comes down to the finances available.The reason why i asked what about chelseas and man utds 3-10mil players is because they dont have many as back up do they becuase they were able to spend 10 mil plus on back ups - something we dont have the luxury to do . Player we wanted to keep as back up we had to sell to fund better first choice players .

Im sorry but everything being lumped on the door of the manager is a cowards way out - the players must take responsibilty and they are far from blameless in all this - when your top players are off form - carra,masher even gerrard then the team will struggle so they need to pull their socks up and fight .

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:05 am

lakes10 wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
s@int wrote:
lakes10 wrote:trying not to read to much into what Hansen but it tends to back up the "5 games to save his job" that was reported after the man u game by SSN.

His job is safer than Hick's wallet mate. Unless he walks or Real Madrid make the two clowns an offer they can't refuse, Rafa will be here till the end of the season.

even if we dont win the next 10 games?

The owners will wait until end of season and see if we get into CL - they know Rafa has a great record reaching the CL and thats where the money is , for them the risk of replacing Rafa (with a big compo payout) and still not getting into the top 4 is too great .

you are a fool if you think that, for one rafa will walk before he looks too bad and for another if we dont win our next game and at the weekend he will be gone.

owners always back the manager just before they sack them.

Im sorry but what else does your crystal ball say ? did you also believe "ssn" that rafa was about to be sacked last season as well before the madrid game ? Just for once stop going about the message board stating things that you dont know will happen .

You have no idea what the owners have said to rafa or what their plans are , or what his contract is , or anything .

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:09 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
muzza798 wrote:I'd take Mourinho. Passion in a bottle with him. He's got the winning mentality and has a great record. Didnt he support us when he was a kid aswell? Defo worth a shout. Im sorry but Benitez has had 5 years and weve barely moved forwards. Hes taken us as far as he can imo and now we need a new manager with a new mentality who wont make absolute decisions. If Benitez gets us knocked out of the CL and we loose any more Prem games befor jan i know he will either leave or get kicked out.

2004/05: Finished 5th – 58 pts
2005/06: Finished 3rd – 82 pts
2006/07: Finished 3rd – 68 pts
2007/08: Finished 4th – 76 pts
2008/09: Finished 2nd – 86 pts

That suggests we have moved forwards - 28 points forward to be exact .

As well as a CL win , FA Cup , Another CL final , semi final quarter final and a CC final .

Think that suggest to me moving forward.

Maureen will not be at Liverpool at any point in the future .

Reasons - Owners,Lack of Funds , The job he has currently .

The Cl win and the Fa cup win were won with mainly other peoples players. Rafa has yet to win ANYTHING with a side that he built.
1998/1999 - 54 points 7th
1999/2000 - 67 points 4th
2000/2001 - 69 points 3rd
2001/2002 - 80points 2nd

As well as an FA CUP/LEAGUE CUP /UEFA CUP Treble

That shows progression, didn't stop us getting rid of Houllier when things went t!ts up.

Two of the biggest mistakes we have made were giving Houllier an extended contract in 2003 and Rafa a five year contract in 2009. The first cost us £6million, how much might the second one cost us ?

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