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by **LFC2007** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:57 pm

Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson, Bellion, Taibi :buttrock

, Manucho..

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:58 pm

Not outstanding though are they saint - and tevez wasnt bought and was 10 mil for two years on loan .

Owen done nothing much for the mancs
Heinze had one good season out of three
Foster ? - great ability and was great for watford but for the mancs ?

What about chelsea ?

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:01 pm

LFC2007 wrote:Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson, Bellion, Taibi , Manucho..

Not sure but I think ALL of those were signed BEFORE Rafa came ?

by **Sir Roger** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:02 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Sorry forgot to add you also have to look at the other teams signings between 3-10 mil - how many of them have been a success at Man Utd/Chelsea ? Van Der Sar ? Vidic and Evra maybe ? who else

I think you can go on and on about price and comparisons. The problem Hansen talks about is stepping up to the plate. To do that you have to have the ba'lls to do it. Passion, drive, desperation to prove you can do it, a competitiveness that says you will not be beaten, or you will die trying. Mostly this is based on team spirit. To do it for your mates, your brothers, to do it for each other. Us against the world.
Have we got that spirit in the team Rafa has put together? When the chips are down and our backs are against the wall do we fight for each other, willing to sacrifice ourselves for the good of the club?
The game against the skanks suggest we can and do. But we need leadership and guidance. Is Rafa capable of it? We will see.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:03 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Not outstanding though are they saint - and tevez wasnt bought and was 10 mil for two years on loan .

Owen done nothing much for the mancs
Heinze had one good season out of three
Foster ? - great ability and was great for watford but for the mancs ?

What about chelsea ?

I am not going through all the other f.king clubs list mate. I am happy to accept Hansens verdict...... you want to argue YOU DO IT

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:03 pm

Its not just the manager Rog - its the players need to take responsibilty as well mate .

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:05 pm

s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Not outstanding though are they saint - and tevez wasnt bought and was 10 mil for two years on loan .

Owen done nothing much for the mancs
Heinze had one good season out of three
Foster ? - great ability and was great for watford but for the mancs ?

What about chelsea ?

I am not going through all the other f.king clubs list mate. I am happy to accept Hansens verdict...... you want to argue YOU DO IT

So does that mean we must take this ex players view and accept them or only ones that agree with your own opinion ? do you accept Didi's view's ?

by **Sir Roger** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:07 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Its not just the manager Rog - its the players need to take responsibilty as well mate .

I know thats why I said Team Spirit
But players need to be motivated by the manager, the gaffer, the leader. He tells them how to play and what not to do. He is the capo de tuti capo. It will all come down to him.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:11 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Its not just the manager Rog - its the players need to take responsibilty as well mate .

I think if you had asked most people before the start of the season had we a good enough first team to challenge for the title, they would have said yes.

We didn't/haven't challenged....... in fact we lost 2 of our first 3 games (with a full strength team)

Many thought that while we had a strong first team we had a weak squad ..... as can be seen by our recent results we didn't have a weak squad .... it was p!ss poor.

We didn't seem to get our preperation right pre-season and we didn't have adequate cover for injuries/loss of form/suspensions.

Who's fault is that ..... Alex Fergusons ?

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:12 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Not outstanding though are they saint - and tevez wasnt bought and was 10 mil for two years on loan .

Owen done nothing much for the mancs
Heinze had one good season out of three
Foster ? - great ability and was great for watford but for the mancs ?

What about chelsea ?

I am not going through all the other f.king clubs list mate. I am happy to accept Hansens verdict...... you want to argue YOU DO IT

So does that mean we must take this ex players view and accept them or only ones that agree with your own opinion ? do you accept Didi's view's ?

I am happy to accept Hansen's opinion, if you are not its up to you to prove him wrong .....not me.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:13 pm

From what i have seen during most of the matches maybe bar the Fiorentina game is we created chances - glaring chances and didnt take them and we have succumbed to some glaring individual mistakes - when those things happen the players and manager need to grab themselves up but it starts on the pitch and starts with the players , once they cross that line they need to take responsibility - rafa can make little changes or subs (some incorrect off course ) but they need to do it for themselves for the club for the fans.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:17 pm

If you don't prepare the players properly (which I don't think we did) they can't do it because they are not ready. If you don't have an adequate squad (which I don't think we have ) they can't do it because they are not good enough.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:17 pm

s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Its not just the manager Rog - its the players need to take responsibilty as well mate .

I think if you had asked most people before the start of the season had we a good enough first team to challenge for the title, they would have said yes.

We didn't/haven't challenged....... in fact we lost 2 of our first 3 games (with a full strength team)

Many thought that while we had a strong first team we had a weak squad ..... as can be seen by our recent results we didn't have a weak squad .... it was p!ss poor.

We didn't seem to get our preperation right pre-season and we didn't have adequate cover for injuries/loss of form/suspensions.

Who's fault is that ..... Alex Fergusons ?

And as been said mate in those games we had chances - we created chances and the players let themselves down with individual mistakes (namely defensive) - the manager cant control that .

As for adequate cover for players - we bought for the areas we needed to strengthen then the money we got for xabi (which i believe rafa thought he would get) just didnt come through for the manager - as i said in another thread - Rafa was going to sell voronin for 3 mil for berlin and was looking for other options but had to stop it all cause he knew no more funds where going to be given to him - he also it believed had bids for turner and silva lined up but they had to be stopped due to lack of funds .

This all happened after he got johnson and aqualini .

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:19 pm

s@int wrote:If you don't prepare the players properly (which I don't think we did) they can't do it because they are not ready. If you don't have an adequate squad (which I don't think we have ) they can't do it because they are not good enough.

So the individual errors the players make and the missing of chances now also comes down to the manager ?

What next ? does he get blamed for the injuries to Gerrard,Torres,Masher,Reira,Johnson,Agger,Srktel etc

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:25 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Its not just the manager Rog - its the players need to take responsibilty as well mate .

I think if you had asked most people before the start of the season had we a good enough first team to challenge for the title, they would have said yes.

We didn't/haven't challenged....... in fact we lost 2 of our first 3 games (with a full strength team)

Many thought that while we had a strong first team we had a weak squad ..... as can be seen by our recent results we didn't have a weak squad .... it was p!ss poor.

We didn't seem to get our preperation right pre-season and we didn't have adequate cover for injuries/loss of form/suspensions.

Who's fault is that ..... Alex Fergusons ?

And as been said mate in those games we had chances - we created chances and the players let themselves down with individual mistakes (namely defensive) - the manager cant control that .

As for adequate cover for players - we bought for the areas we needed to strengthen then the money we got for xabi (which i believe rafa thought he would get) just didnt come through for the manager - as i said in another thread - Rafa was going to sell voronin for 3 mil for berlin and was looking for other options but had to stop it all cause he knew no more funds where going to be given to him - he also it believed had bids for turner and silva lined up but they had to be stopped due to lack of funds .

This all happened after he got johnson and aqualini .

Maybe if he had got them match fit they might not have made those mistakes? The first few games of the season we looked off the pace, not sharp enough and tired. Tired players make mistakes.

If you want to talk about chances , how many did we have against Fulham .....2 ? Sunderland missed a raft of chances against us ...... but we lost because of a beach ball ..... yeah right.

Making excuses doesn't win games, overcoming problems does. Which do you want to do .....?

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