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by **Waldo** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:52 pm

I think Rafa will walk.

by **Sir Roger** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:54 pm

teamleader1 wrote:I'm at a complete loss with Rafa
I hear all the argument and can agree with points made from both sides
Personally I've had enough, 5 years is long enough
To expect us to believe that the likes of Babel, Voronin, Deggan, Ngog, Lucas, Dossena are of the quality needed win trophy's is laughable.
Rafas often erratic line ups and substitutions still baffle me, his complete unwillingness to change things on the pitch until 60+ minutes have passed even though its obvious to everyone that the starting line up and the tactics are not working.
The lack of money argument doesn't stand up for me, all the above are his buys plus the dross that has been moved on.
The Keene incident was a farce, as was his handling of the Alonso affair
For me Rafa falls short on to many things
The argument of who would I have in his place is valid, but then again how many of us had actually heard that much about Rafa?

Nail on head
:nod

by **LFC2007** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:33 pm

JoeTerp wrote:Can't see any logic in sacking the manager this week.

I am also very much in the camp of "be careful what you wish for" What gives people confidence that the manager that replaces Rafa will be so brilliant? Not even to get into whether or not there are managers out there capable, but who the American's could actually attract to accept the position.

How attractive is the position of manager of LFC at this moment? You inherit a weak squad with tons of players that are "not good enough," almost all your players that are any good have serious fitness issues. Incredible pressure from the fans to win the league title, which becomes harder and harder each year as clubs like Man City spend and spend and get used to being a bigger club, turmoil in dressing room, financial debts, etc.

Lots of talk about some of the better managers in the prem (typical), what the heck do any of those managers know about winning league titles at the top flight?

If we look to any foreign managers with success, none of them know anything about the English league.

I think Capello is actually an interesting name because he has won the title in big time leagues at big time clubs with lot of pressure, and is somewhat familiar with the English game (although he hasn't managed against other English teams)

Can't see us being able to land Mourinho

This is still the same manager and largely the same team that finished 2nd last season, lets give him the whole season to set the ship straight.

Aquilani hasn't even made his league debut yet. Even if he had, we would probably be saying that he gets a bit of a pass this year to adjust to English football. At the time we signed him, we thought he would be fit much earlier, and Rafa would have been going the club a MASSIVE disservice if he sacrificed buying a less talented player just so he could have someone that was fit for the first couple of months of a 5 year contract. To point that it was Rafa's fault that Alonso left, ok if that is conceded, he also thought he would be able to replace him with Barry, which didn't happen.

Without any obvious upgrade out there, I'd rather stick with consistency.

That raises some important points, especially the third para, and I agree with your conclusion.

It seems inconceivable that Mourinho would join us right now, or that Hiddink would combine his job with Russia given the qualifier very close on the horizon and after that (I assume they'll beat Slovenia) a world cup to prepare for.

After that I don't see many options that would be worth the risk as this really is a unique position that carries a huge amount of pressure right now. If you think we're in serious danger of missing out on a top four spot, you might have other ideas, but I think we'll get there and have something to cheer about along the way.

by **shabelle50** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:43 pm

If we are such a good side how come what was a virtually full strength side lost 3 PL games before the last international break to Spurs, Villa and Chelsea?

by **muzza798** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:51 pm

Most of these defeats are due to our injury strucken squad but Benietez isnt helping himself by playing Insua etc.

by **NiftyNeil** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:55 pm

Yeah, sack Rafa. Sack the man who took us back to European success after 21 years. Sack the man who nearly landed us the title last year. Sack the man who's owners promise the world then fail to deliver. Sack the man who loves the club, and the city.
Get a grip people, half of you would be more at home booing in the stands of St James Park!

by **muzza798** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:06 pm

If we had a diffierent manager they'd be smart enough to play Aurelio at LB and would of played Babel against Lyon instead of NGOG. Just simple obvious things that are costing us games. Were a great team and would still be one without Benitez.

by **Reg** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:09 pm

muzza798 wrote:Most of these defeats are due to our injury strucken squad but Benietez isnt helping himself by playing Insua etc.

I agree, playing Insua when Fabio was injured was crazy. Did you notice that he also played him when Torres was injured and darn it when Gerrard was injured too?

Its all Insua's fault.

by **todandcopper** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:14 pm

If you liken the premier league title to a war, a long hard struggle that has many battles then we are in serious trouble.
What do governments and the military do with a faltering commander? they replace him there and then, they don't wait until the end of the war when it is too bloody late!

by **Penguins** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:30 pm

The_Rock wrote:
s@int wrote:But Benitez, who takes Liverpool into a week that could decide their Champions League fate after Saturday's shock 3-1 defeat at Fulham, said: “I don’t agree when people say that you have to win trophies.“I always say you have to be there, you have to be close, you have to create a group of players who can fight for trophies.

Excuses......excuses.........excuses ...........Benitez is just looking for f@ckin excuses.

Do you ppl understand what he is saying ? How the f@ck can the hippies still defend benitez.....

LFC is one of the biggest clubs in the world...do you think someone with this type of mentality (coming close) is good enough to MANAGE this club ? Yeah...and i am sure real madrid will be up his alley with that kind of thinking...

He should go at the end of this season....(If purslow can somehow get mourinho...then hey...... benitez can go anytime)

"LFC is one of the biggest clubs in the world..."

1990 that was totally true. This deluded misconception is what is wrong with many supporters.

Football is about money to such a huge degree today and without lots of money you will not be successful, simple as.

Right now Manure, Chelski, Arsenal, Man City, Spurs all have a better future financial outlook than we do. The club is broke, no stadium on the horizon, while all those above mantioned have on or the other or both.

LFC supporterwise and such is one of the biggest clubs due to its past achievement. But in today's harsh reality not so much at all. Some needs to get that into their thick skulls.

I'll be crying if LFC were ever to be relegated but I'd still support the club anyway. But at least I have the sense to know what I can really expect from the club when the situation is what it is.

No matter if the manager(whoever he is) got zero to spend 3 years in a row LFC supportes still scream league title going on about how big club we are.

Pathetic I say not to open your eyes!

by **redbeergoggles** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:45 pm

NiftyNeil wrote:Yeah, sack Rafa. Sack the man who took us back to European success after 21 years. Sack the man who nearly landed us the title last year. Sack the man who's owners promise the world then fail to deliver. Sack the man who loves the club, and the city.
Get a grip people, half of you would be more at home booing in the stands of St James Park!

Absolutely bang on the proverbial money fella ,as soon as we our rid of these insipid characters ,the sooner I can start thinking about the team again and indeed the manager .

I think it will do the club a world of good underachieving this season might separate the wheat from the chaff ,because Im fu*king sick to the back teeth of supporters with tunnel vision spouting about the teams performances ,because from a personal perspective, I just cant focus on the team OR INDEED THE MANAGER in our current predicament

by **THEBARON** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:51 pm

I can see where you are coming from and appreciate and share your concerns..
After the win against the mancs I thought that we would turn the corner and go on a strong run. Unfortunately 2 games on we are out of one cup and out of the top 4 in the league. Saturday's selections, performance, substitutions and result suggests a deep rooted problem.

by **muzza798** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:53 pm

Reg wrote:
muzza798 wrote:Most of these defeats are due to our injury strucken squad but Benietez isnt helping himself by playing Insua etc.

I agree, playing Insua when Fabio was injured was crazy. Did you notice that he also played him when Torres was injured and darn it when Gerrard was injured too?

Its all Insua's fault.

Guess you've missed the 300 times he's gone MIA when we get counter attacked or have to defend for our lives. We lost the Lyon game cos he got completely caught out of possition. It happens every game. Not in the RB zone but always Isua getting caught out.

If we had Aqua man, gerrard and torres playing every game im sure his abilities wouldnt be called into question so often but with things as they are it just has to be said.

by **THEBARON** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:00 pm

So maybe Insua isn't the greatest left back in the premiership.
But there are plenty of other players currently at the club who are not good enough.
Who was a realistic replacement for the Fulham game - Dossena?
Insua should have been full of confidence after his goal against Arsenal and was 1 selection most would probably agree with.
There were other selections / replacements that were more questionable than Insua

by **Dazzer** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:28 pm

bavlondon wrote:
Greavesie wrote:
Reg wrote:It beggars belief that a thread called Sack Him (rafa) has gone to 45 pages. You sad, sad bunch of people.

Dazzer and Dav are responsilbe for over 150 of the posts in here

surpised?

O and I heard you mother is responsilbe for half the population of Leeds.

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