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Postby Scottbot » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:09 am

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:Different player from Arby.

Johnson is fantastic going forward, still have doubts about his defensive work.
Arby was fantastic defensively but struggled when near the opponents box.

No doubt it's abit of a trade-off in that respect, no doubt Johnson will be found wanting from time to time in his defending plus don't be surprised if he gets the side into trouble with the odd misplaced pass or loss of possession high up the pitch BUT I didn't relaise he was as good as he showed tonight going forward. Mick called it right a couple of years back when he said he'd make a good right-mid and I think that had we kept Arby we would have seen them both playing in the same side on a few occasions. One touch in particular caught my eye in the highlights tonight, it wasn't the goal or him beating a player, it was a quick pass played into him on the right flank, he had a player on his back but he played a lovely 1-2 back, span off his man and collected the return ball in full-stride. It's been so so long since we've had that one of our fullbacks.
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Postby Dundalk » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:09 am

He was very impressive tonight, Arby never played like that for us!! He seemed to have a good link up with Kuyt and that can only get better as the season progresses. He can come inside or take on the defender and cross from the byline. Could be a great signing come the end of the year
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Postby Fauxy » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:11 am

Well he defended very well tonight which shows that he does have good defensive capabilities as well
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Postby redbeergoggles » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:24 am

Just goes to show you get what you pay for ,Johnson was practically untouchable tonight, an astute aquisition by Rafa :D
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Postby Reg » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:04 am

He's thrown down the gauntet to the rest of the back 4 for sure......
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Postby LFC2007 » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:45 am

I can't say enough about the guy. If anyone doubted what a £17.5m right-back would add to our play against classic park the bus-ers just watch the game. He was sublime in his attacking capacity, and that performance was very much reminiscent of his performances for Pompey last season. What you saw there is what he's always been good at, he's just so much more refined these days in terms of his physique and consistency. His technique is practically flawless for a full-back. He receives the ball so easily, his passing is smooth and accurate, he can turn his marker, he can hold the ball up using his body strength (that's something he's really improved upon), he can float the ball into the box without any trouble, he can even make the deft pass. But what he's exceptional at, and what sets him apart from most other full-backs is his ability to go down the line or come inside using that burst of pace he has. Most fullbacks can go down the line and get the cross in, but it's a rare breed that can come inside with similar ease; with such pace, balance, strength and control.
Like the run into the box at Spurs, he was at it again against Stoke and it's particularly significant because it's MUCH harder to defend against if your opponent has the ability to go both ways with such ease, as Higginbotham found out. He could do you either way and by the time he's made that burst one side or t'other, as an opposing defender having to adjust your body to stay with him is very hard, especially if there's nobdoy covering you; something more likely to be the case in the latter stages of games or when the play's been switched quickly. Tired defenders will get mauled by this guy.

I used to play as a full-back, more in the Finnan mould though, and I was happy to see the winger down the line (which is essentially what Johnson is/will be in these types of games) and that was just conventional play, but when you throw in this other dimension - the ability to go one way or the other, and with ease - you're exposed to getting turned inside out (I used to dread the thought of them coming inside - you want the usual down the line try and block the cross drill), and adjusting is hard, but to pacey, powerful players like Johnson it's a nightmare. By the time you've adjusted your body to shadow him the other way he'll likely be past you, and such differences are crucial at the highest level. That extra yard throws a stubborn defence open to another kind of attack - a penetrating threat deriving from out wide, and for us I think it will prove to be crucial. Finnan couldn't do it, though he could cross well enough. Arbeloa was a little better in that capacity, but Johnson's in a different stratosphere in this respect; in any attacking respect for that matter. Tonight served as emphatic evidence of that. From a full-back's perspective you don't get much better than that tonight. He was a consistent and direct threat in a number of capacities - from his crossing to his penetrating runs, all beside his general play in which he was a comfortable, assured option throughout. He got the goal, an assist and a made an important covering interception at 2-0. Naturally gifted just about sums him up.

His natural athleticism, his (fairly good) aerial ability, a great attitude are some of his other attributes.
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Postby Bad Bob » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:55 am

LFC2007 wrote:I was happy to see the winger down the line (which is essentially what Johnson is/will be in these types of games)

Good post.  I highlighted this bit because it was so true tonight.  Toward the end, Masch was over covering the RB position on occasion, with Johnson well up the pitch.  When I say covering here, I mean mostly occupying that space as a passing outlet for Carra but it was notable that Johnson was nowhere to be found, so far forward was he.  Granted, we were cruising by that stage but it's nevertheless true that his brief against the park-the-bussers will be to get forward and get forward some more.  I won't get carried away and say he was the only reason we beat a team 4-0 that we struggled to score against last year but he was a huge factor.  Some fella in another thread this week wondered why we spent 18 million pounds on a fullback when our needs were attackers to break down stubborn teams that come to Anfield to defend.  I hope this lad has got his answer tonight.  :nod
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Postby ConnO'var » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:05 am

I must say that I have been more than happy with his last 2 performances for us and I have been one of those who was most vehemently vocal against his signing. Happy to be proven wrong so far.... Long may it continue.

Acid test will be consistency and defensive performance against the stronger clubs in the league and Europe.

But for now, I'm very pleased with what he's shown and am now hopeful for the future.
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Postby ruskiy playmaker » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:37 am

LFC2007 wrote:I can't say enough about the guy. If anyone doubted what a £17.5m right-back would add to our play against classic park the bus-ers just watch the game. He was sublime in his attacking capacity, and that performance was very much reminiscent of his performances for Pompey last season. What you saw there is what he's always been good at, he's just so much more refined these days in terms of his physique and consistency. His technique is practically flawless for a full-back. He receives the ball so easily, his passing is smooth and accurate, he can turn his marker, he can hold the ball up using his body strength (that's something he's really improved upon), he can float the ball into the box without any trouble, he can even make the deft pass. But what he's exceptional at, and what sets him apart from most other full-backs is his ability to go down the line or come inside using that burst of pace he has. Most fullbacks can go down the line and get the cross in, but it's a rare breed that can come inside with similar ease; with such pace, balance, strength and control.
Like the run into the box at Spurs, he was at it again against Stoke and it's particularly significant because it's MUCH harder to defend against if your opponent has the ability to go both ways with such ease, as Higginbotham found out. He could do you either way and by the time he's made that burst one side or t'other, as an opposing defender having to adjust your body to stay with him is very hard, especially if there's nobdoy covering you; something more likely to be the case in the latter stages of games or when the play's been switched quickly. Tired defenders will get mauled by this guy.

I used to play as a full-back, more in the Finnan mould though, and I was happy to see the winger down the line (which is essentially what Johnson is/will be in these types of games) and that was just conventional play, but when you throw in this other dimension - the ability to go one way or the other, and with ease - you're exposed to getting turned inside out (I used to dread the thought of them coming inside - you want the usual down the line try and block the cross drill), and adjusting is hard, but to pacey, powerful players like Johnson it's a nightmare. By the time you've adjusted your body to shadow him the other way he'll likely be past you, and such differences are crucial at the highest level. That extra yard throws a stubborn defence open to another kind of attack - a penetrating threat deriving from out wide, and for us I think it will prove to be crucial. Finnan couldn't do it, though he could cross well enough. Arbeloa was a little better in that capacity, but Johnson's in a different stratosphere in this respect; in any attacking respect for that matter. Tonight served as emphatic evidence of that. From a full-back's perspective you don't get much better than that tonight. He was a consistent and direct threat in a number of capacities - from his crossing to his penetrating runs, all beside his general play in which he was a comfortable, assured option throughout. He got the goal, an assist and a made an important covering interception at 2-0. Naturally gifted just about sums him up.

His natural athleticism, his (fairly good) aerial ability, a great attitude are some of his other attributes.

Excellent Post.
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Postby Aussie Style » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:20 am

Alvaro who?
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Postby devaney » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:05 am

Aussie Style wrote:Alvaro who?

What a brilliant performance by Glen Johnson. What a home debut! Possibly the best debut of any player we have bought in recent years? Ok Stoke certainly don't have the quality of Spurs but they have showed on many occasions that they are very difficult to beat. They have had very few 4-0 thrashings and I do not use that word lightly.

Many posters criticised Rafa for paying too much for Johnson based on what he could have been sold for at the beginning of the 2008/2009 season. He had a brilliant season in the same way as Alonso and his value increased and didn't he just show why last night. £18m is now looking cheap! Just hope that Aquilani has the same impact.
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Postby Owzat » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:32 am

JFC, Glen Johnson worth £17.5m because he played well against Stoke! Are we now trying to make out last night's performance repaid every penny of his fee?!?!?!? Get a grip ffs, you can't judge whether a player is worth their transfer fee on one or two performances.

And I see mention of people "against his signing", I've never once not wanted Johnson but I still maintain he is worth no more than £12m absolute max even if he continues playing like he has been. But then why am I surprised by posters on the internet being sucked in by the silly prices for players so the word "worth" is becoming worthless when talking about football players and transfer fees. If Johnson's "worth" £17.5m I shudder to think what we could sell Torres, Gerrard, Reina, Kuyt etc for. Proving a decent acquisition SO FAR, unless he has performances like last night 25+ times a season and against better opposition then I can't see him ever justifying a £17.5m price tag. But as I said I'm happy we signed him, just never have liked us paying too much for players (£20.3m for Keane, £7m for Dossena, reportedly pursuing Barry for £18m etc)  Want "proved worth every penny" try looking at Jermaine Defoe, not just on last night's performance but at every club he's played at. Given a choice between £17.5m on Johnson or £17.5m on Defoe, I'd go for the latter every time - and hopefully that comparison, even if Defoe might cost £20m or a little more, shows why the fee for a FULL-BACK was higher than paid for equally good and better full-backs.

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Postby devaney » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:56 am

i agree Owzat that it is a lot to pay for a full back but Johnson is no ordinary fullback. He offers more in attack than many so-called creative midfield players! How many forward would have score that goal last night? My valuation certainly isn't based on one excellent performance. Just look at what he did time and again for Portsmouth last season. If your saying all footballers are overvalued than I accept that but Johnson's price is no worse than many of the others.

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Postby aCe' » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:19 am

Johnsons a very good player... it remains to be seen whether he was worth thie 18mill WE SPENT ON HIM... many were talking about a lack of funds and how thin the squad is.. lack of quality in depth and all that... the 18mill tag puts that bit of extra pressure on him if indeed the funds are lacking to prove worthy enough of the money we sacrificed on him rather than a decent RB + cover for another position....

So far, hes been excellent in one game and pretty good in the other.. As Owzat said, he'll have to maintain this form over a much longer time frame for him to be a 'worthy' investment.... 18mill for a fullback is still big big money , but atleast we didnt 'waste it' buying 3 average players like we usually do so in that sense it could prove to be one of Benitez's better buys...
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