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heimdall wrote:

Nando26 wrote:How is Hammill better them El Zhar? hes a morroccon international & i seem to remebr early on in the season him always replacing Kuyt (before he hit form) & changing the pace of games in our favour & people were calling for him to start games

I dont understand why people slag the cademy because hardly anyone gets through to the first team.
The Academy isnt a lab where we make world class players its thier to try & homne the skills of youngsters who may have a chance of making it. If the local lads arent good enough its not the academys fault. How the people find that so hard to understand??

If Hammill was good enough he would of been signed up by a hull city or a stoke but he isnt yet you think hes good enough to play for us!

Look you cant have it both ways if you want us to be the best we need the best players if the likes of Hammill Hobbs Anderson Threfall were in the team now wed be fighting for relegation & would you be happy then??

Jesus come on think about it for a second

Sorry but I completely disagree with you, the academy SHOULD be a lab for producing top class players, like how the original Ajax academy was. If it isn't that then what the feck is the point of it?? Of course not all players are going to make it but we have had zero players since Carragher and Gerrard and that is just wrong. Spearing given a good run of games might be every bit as good as Lucas, how will we know unless he gets a chance.

Nando26 wrote:

heimdall wrote:

Nando26 wrote:How is Hammill better them El Zhar? hes a morroccon international & i seem to remebr early on in the season him always replacing Kuyt (before he hit form) & changing the pace of games in our favour & people were calling for him to start games

I dont understand why people slag the cademy because hardly anyone gets through to the first team.
The Academy isnt a lab where we make world class players its thier to try & homne the skills of youngsters who may have a chance of making it. If the local lads arent good enough its not the academys fault. How the people find that so hard to understand??

If Hammill was good enough he would of been signed up by a hull city or a stoke but he isnt yet you think hes good enough to play for us!

Look you cant have it both ways if you want us to be the best we need the best players if the likes of Hammill Hobbs Anderson Threfall were in the team now wed be fighting for relegation & would you be happy then??

Jesus come on think about it for a second

Sorry but I completely disagree with you, the academy SHOULD be a lab for producing top class players, like how the original Ajax academy was. If it isn't that then what the feck is the point of it?? Of course not all players are going to make it but we have had zero players since Carragher and Gerrard and that is just wrong. Spearing given a good run of games might be every bit as good as Lucas, how will we know unless he gets a chance.

The point of it is so the youngsters that might have a chnace to make it for us have somewhere to train....i thought that was a givin

what do u want them to rent out an astro turf every thursday night?

Yes Ajax are a brilliant example but 1) we are a far better team 2) They priortize it hence why were a better team 3) They have less coompetion then we have to attract these youngsters

Every other top club has them & itll always be the same West Ham had afew top class come threw at the same time as did we united leeds city etc. no club constantly developes top-world class homegrown talent

Ajax are now but they weren't 15-25 years back when they seemed to have a conveyor belt of great players coming out of their academy. The fact is our academy is producing sh1t players and there is no excuse for that, surely if you can get hold of kids at 8-9 then you should be able to hone a handful of them into top class players, or reject them early, before they reach 18. I just can't see why this is so hard. Maybe the problem is that we have too many kids at the academy instead of focussing the attention on the kids who really do have the abilities. I think it is fair to say that Arsenal and Manure are far better at producing players from their academies, whereas we are simply not good enough. If Rafa has no faith in the academy then we might as well shut it down as it must be a drain of money at the moment, that money could be diverted towards buying players from other clubs who have functioning academies.

SouthCoastShankly wrote:

RedBlood wrote:

redmikey wrote:

GYBS wrote:Shame he has gone as he looked very talented on either foot - certainly looked more talented and better than El Zhar . Hopefully there is some sort of buy back option .

here here . i feel exactly the same . el zar/ hamill
                                                 lucas/spearing

these lads need a chance, what if we had brought in viera when stevie was comin through, clubs don't give youth a start any more

why does spearing deserve a chance ahead of lucas?? really it baffles me how blinded some right wing people are

if spearing played as well as lucas did against athletico and scored you lot would be wan.king over him

Right wing? What the fuck are you talking about??

Since when does footballing opinion fall into the category of politics?

For the most of us, Lucas' performances have been at best average, at worse a liability. Against lesser opposition and cup games we would like to see a young lad with potential given an opportunity to cement his place in the senior squad.

Nothing wrong with that in my opinion.

Some people like to play that card all the time mate.

If we want a local player to succeed we have an ulterior motive 

The fact of the matter is, Lucas has had two seasons and hasnt been good enough, granted he has looked better in pre-season. But there were times last season that Spearing should have been given a go.
Thats not just me saying it as he is local either.

GYBS wrote:going by this pre season and the games i saw for reserves spearing wouldnt of offered us anything more than what lucas did and wouldnt of had the same impact that lucas did in certain games , been backed up with this pre season with lucas outperforming spearing in most if not all of the games so far , weather thats experience or ability is another discussion for me its a mix off both . Spearing hopefully will get some run outs in cc but see plessis and lucas ahead of him in pecking order at the moment

SouthCoastShankly wrote:

GYBS wrote:going by this pre season and the games i saw for reserves spearing wouldnt of offered us anything more than what lucas did and wouldnt of had the same impact that lucas did in certain games , been backed up with this pre season with lucas outperforming spearing in most if not all of the games so far , weather thats experience or ability is another discussion for me its a mix off both . Spearing hopefully will get some run outs in cc but see plessis and lucas ahead of him in pecking order at the moment

I think your off your rocker, but hey everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Considering Spearing is 2 years junior to Lucas and most only see a marginal difference between the two speaks volumes for me. I firmly believe if Spearing was given 2 seasons in the first team, he would be miles ahead of Lucas.

heimdall wrote:

Nando26 wrote:

heimdall wrote:

Nando26 wrote:How is Hammill better them El Zhar? hes a morroccon international & i seem to remebr early on in the season him always replacing Kuyt (before he hit form) & changing the pace of games in our favour & people were calling for him to start games

I dont understand why people slag the cademy because hardly anyone gets through to the first team.
The Academy isnt a lab where we make world class players its thier to try & homne the skills of youngsters who may have a chance of making it. If the local lads arent good enough its not the academys fault. How the people find that so hard to understand??

If Hammill was good enough he would of been signed up by a hull city or a stoke but he isnt yet you think hes good enough to play for us!

Look you cant have it both ways if you want us to be the best we need the best players if the likes of Hammill Hobbs Anderson Threfall were in the team now wed be fighting for relegation & would you be happy then??

Jesus come on think about it for a second

Sorry but I completely disagree with you, the academy SHOULD be a lab for producing top class players, like how the original Ajax academy was. If it isn't that then what the feck is the point of it?? Of course not all players are going to make it but we have had zero players since Carragher and Gerrard and that is just wrong. Spearing given a good run of games might be every bit as good as Lucas, how will we know unless he gets a chance.

The point of it is so the youngsters that might have a chnace to make it for us have somewhere to train....i thought that was a givin

what do u want them to rent out an astro turf every thursday night?

Yes Ajax are a brilliant example but 1) we are a far better team 2) They priortize it hence why were a better team 3) They have less coompetion then we have to attract these youngsters

Every other top club has them & itll always be the same West Ham had afew top class come threw at the same time as did we united leeds city etc. no club constantly developes top-world class homegrown talent

Ajax are now but they weren't 15-25 years back when they seemed to have a conveyor belt of great players coming out of their academy. The fact is our academy is producing sh1t players and there is no excuse for that, surely if you can get hold of kids at 8-9 then you should be able to hone a handful of them into top class players, or reject them early, before they reach 18. I just can't see why this is so hard. Maybe the problem is that we have too many kids at the academy instead of focussing the attention on the kids who really do have the abilities. I think it is fair to say that Arsenal and Manure are far better at producing players from their academies, whereas we are simply not good enough. If Rafa has no faith in the academy then we might as well shut it down as it must be a drain of money at the moment, that money could be diverted towards buying players from other clubs who have functioning academies.