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by **GYBS** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:20 am

The difference is i thought signing keane was wrong as couldnt see how he would improve us and didnt want him to sign no matter what the place where as i see johnson improving us . The price will always be over the odds - that the way it is in football now .

by **aCe'** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:54 am

The only reason i said that it could be one of the worst pieces of business in football transfer history is because the fee we're paying him makes him the 2nd most expensive fullback in football history... Besides Bosingwa last year i cant remember the last time any side paid such a high fee for a fullback.. add to that the absolutely ridiculous wages that are being reported and you have all the ingredients of a first class royal fck up !
Hes a good player, but as someone put it, for such a fee you'd expect him to be the best fullback in the planet and then a little more...
We'll wait and see, just like we did with Keane... but at this point i have to say it seems like a poor poor piece of business..

It was never going to be hard bringing in a rightback whos better than Arbeloa now was it ?! So trying to justify the fee by saying that hes an improvement on Arbeloa isnt saying much imo...

by **bigmick** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:05 am

No, but to be fair that's not really my justification. I simply used the Arbeloa comparison as a kind of benchmark as to where we are. Arby, who I personally like very much, is probably worth around 5-6 million, and hopefully if we play hardball we might even get eight given the pounds dipped a bit.

Johnson is better than Arbeloa I think most would agree, certainly going forward. Now I know some will say "what about his defending", but it's worth remembering he's going to be playing most matches with Dirk Kuyt on the right hand side of midfield. As such, the opposition left midfielder and left back are hardly going to be in any mood to attack him anyway. They are going to be so exasperated with Dirk running around a lot, and so exausted from retrieving his first touches, that the idea of actually attacking is going to be the last thing on their minds.

So in all seriousness :;):

, we know Johnson is going to be at least quite good for us, and that he is better than Arbeloa who we might get 8 mill for. So if he isn't worth 17, he is worth somewhere between 8 and 17, and if he's our right back for five seasons he'll look cheap at half the price IMHO, although I'll concede he may still look a bit pricey at full whack.

by **aCe'** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:33 am

bigmick wrote:but it's worth remembering he's going to be playing most matches with Dirk Kuyt on the right hand side of midfield. As such, the opposition left midfielder and left back are hardly going to be in any mood to attack him anyway. They are going to be so exasperated with Dirk running around a lot, and so exausted from retrieving his first touches, that the idea of actually attacking is going to be the last thing on their minds.

Hope he does well.. iv always liked the kid, has that bit of arrogance and confidence about his play which not many fullbacks seem to have nowadays. + he can run with the ball which is something we desperately lack down the flanks imo...

by **DrPepe** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:05 am

Ace:

Boswinga
Ramos
Alves

I may stand corrected, but all 3 were more expensive than Johnson?

I think the only way a fee can be judged as "too expensive" is in retrospect, after his value to the team is evaluated.

After all, 30m for a CB sounds ridiculous, or 18m for carrick, until you see what they've won and then suddenly it doesn't matter at all

by **kazza** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:37 am

bigmick wrote:I think the Keane thing was doubly ludicrous which is why it's hard to forget.

I thought that the fact that we scored more after Keane left than we ever have was proof selling him was a good thing, despite your prediction. After he left the team was far better, it is funny that with your superior knowledge of football you could not see something so obvious. Either you are not that clever or you have an (in the closet) anti Raffa agenda despite your proclamation that he is the right man for the job. Which one is it Mick because you have been a little wishy washy lately.

Keane was average before we bought him and he is still average, once again you vastly superior knowledge of football has let you down (despite what your entourage may think)

by **Ciggy** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:42 am

kazza wrote:once again you vastly superior knowledge of football has let you down (despite what your entourage may think)

by **aCe'** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:51 am

DrPepe wrote:Ace:

Boswinga
Ramos
Alves

I may stand corrected, but all 3 were more expensive than Johnson?

I think the only way a fee can be judged as "too expensive" is in retrospect, after his value to the team is evaluated.

After all, 30m for a CB sounds ridiculous, or 18m for carrick, until you see what they've won and then suddenly it doesn't matter at all

Bosingwa AND Ramos were both cheaper than Johnson... 16mill i think for both...

And if you're expecting Johnson to suddenly become the best rightback in the world when he puts on our jersey with impeccable defensive abilities and world class ability down the right flank when going forward, i quite simply dont...
He'll be an improvement, yes... and he'll be better than Arbeloa going forward, yes.... but then again so would many other have done... For the money we spent i'd expect him to have a significant impact on our play and not just be solid or okayish when going forward... if he does, only then would he be money well spent imo..

by **aCe'** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:52 am

Ciggy wrote:
kazza wrote:once again you vastly superior knowledge of football has let you down (despite what your entourage may think)

by **GYBS** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:53 am

No player goes for what they are worth anymore Ace surely you must of realised this by now - Everyone knows Johnson is not worth 18 million but unfortunatly you have to pay that sort of money to get the player you want .

by **GYBS** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:58 am

Im guessing some previous with Kazza and Mick then

whats the pic ?

by **tubby** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:26 am

aCe' wrote:
DrPepe wrote:Ace:

Boswinga
Ramos
Alves

I may stand corrected, but all 3 were more expensive than Johnson?

I think the only way a fee can be judged as "too expensive" is in retrospect, after his value to the team is evaluated.

After all, 30m for a CB sounds ridiculous, or 18m for carrick, until you see what they've won and then suddenly it doesn't matter at all

Bosingwa AND Ramos were both cheaper than Johnson... 16mill i think for both...

And if you're expecting Johnson to suddenly become the best rightback in the world when he puts on our jersey with impeccable defensive abilities and world class ability down the right flank when going forward, i quite simply dont...
He'll be an improvement, yes... and he'll be better than Arbeloa going forward, yes.... but then again so would many other have done... For the money we spent i'd expect him to have a significant impact on our play and not just be solid or okayish when going forward... if he does, only then would he be money well spent imo..

Who

cares how much Ramos was mate seriously can you not just give the lad a chance instead of taking any and very opportunity to jump down his neck.

The lack of posativity in this place is :censored:

astounding.

by **DrPepe** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:51 am

aCe' wrote:
DrPepe wrote:Ace:

Boswinga
Ramos
Alves

I may stand corrected, but all 3 were more expensive than Johnson?

I think the only way a fee can be judged as "too expensive" is in retrospect, after his value to the team is evaluated.

After all, 30m for a CB sounds ridiculous, or 18m for carrick, until you see what they've won and then suddenly it doesn't matter at all

Bosingwa AND Ramos were both cheaper than Johnson... 16mill i think for both...

And if you're expecting Johnson to suddenly become the best rightback in the world when he puts on our jersey with impeccable defensive abilities and world class ability down the right flank when going forward, i quite simply dont...
He'll be an improvement, yes... and he'll be better than Arbeloa going forward, yes.... but then again so would many other have done... For the money we spent i'd expect him to have a significant impact on our play and not just be solid or okayish when going forward... if he does, only then would he be money well spent imo..

you're splitting hairs ace

i would have thought with all your "insider" financial knowledge you would have heard of inflation?

by **kazza** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:52 am

Ciggy wrote:
kazza wrote:once again you vastly superior knowledge of football has let you down (despite what your entourage may think)

You are both funny and feminine

by **bigmick** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:42 am

One thing I do like about Kazza is that he is consistent

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