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by **heimdall** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:14 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
heimdall wrote::buttrock but that aside he is a very very good midfielder and I would almost rather have him in my side than Alonso, becuase Carrick is a great passer of the ball and reader of the game like Alonso but he also has a hell of a shot on him.

Dont be soft now Heimdall , Carrick instead of Xabi

Different class imo

I think it would depend on the game Nanny, for breaking teams down and giving more of an attacking edge Carrick shades it. In a tight top flight match I'd go with Xabi every time. Anyway it's all academic, I'd never actually want the manc pr1ck anywhere near Liverpool. :buttrock

by **Owzat** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:14 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
heimdall wrote::buttrock but that aside he is a very very good midfielder and I would almost rather have him in my side than Alonso, becuase Carrick is a great passer of the ball and reader of the game like Alonso but he also has a hell of a shot on him.

Dont be soft now Heimdall , Carrick instead of Xabi

Different class imo

Somewhat different player I'd say, would you call Carrick a "deep-lying playmaker" ?

by **GYBS** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:15 pm

aCe' wrote:
heimdall wrote:
aCe' wrote:
GYBS wrote:and you reckon you would get any off them for 18 mil ? add ten to 15 million on top of any price you reckon they would go for these days due to the fees that Kaka and Ronaldo have gone for - Its a sellers market now so the price gets pushed up .

Fabiano - Why buy another striker who plays up front on his own when we have torres and he sure as hell isnt going to go to a club to be a back up
Di Maria - Ill have proven quality instead of the next hottest prospect please - too many hottest prospects have shown to be duds
Navas - The guy cant leave his toilet at home he gets that badly home sick let alone leave spain
Capal - Sevilla have already turned down over 30 mil from him
Carzola- Out very badly injured at the moment so never going to be signed
Helb - wont come as he already left england once cause he didnt like it here
Mutu - had a good first ten games but then nothing and wouldnt improve us
Maxi - Decent but coming to latter years in career and is no improvement on kuyt
Mancini- All tricks no substance
Ben Arfa - Only moved clubs last season and since then has died away
Snejder- will go for 30 mil
Joaquin - you still stuck in WC2002 ? thats when he last produced .

All those players are great on FM but in real life -debatable . and yes i have watched them a number of times .

that post was laughable at best mate... i bet you'd have figured out an excuse if i had Ronaldo, Messi and Kaka in the list aswell.. Pathetic... theres sensible posts and pure rubbish... yours is the latter...
Whether you agree or not or refuse to acknowledge it or whatever it is.. every name up there is miles ahead of what we got in their position... the forwards would demand we change our setup thats how good they are and the wide players are simply much better than Kuyt and Riera..... pointless arguing with you Gybs... you'd argue that blue isnt blue and then ask about pink...

Your valuations are laugable Ace, you are way way off the mark. Prices are super inflated at the moment and you wouldn't come close to signing a lot of those players for the money you mention, although they are all tempting players

i dont think the valuations are ridiculous by any stretch of the imagination... only ridiculous thing down here is that we'r paying 18mill for johnson.. we move on though..... good player and lets try to bring someone else further up now..

welcome to the world of football during a credit crunch when clubs can demand high fees for players that are wanted and get those high prices .

by **GYBS** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:16 pm

Carrick would be 4th choice at liverpool.

by **heimdall** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:18 pm

Owzat wrote:
aCe' wrote:only ridiculous thing down here is that we'r paying 18mill for johnson.. we move on though..... good player and lets try to bring someone else further up now..

If we had £100m or more to spend on players I doubt Johnson's price would be an issue. What worries most of us, I think I'm reasonably safe in saying it is a sticking point for most anyway, is that £18m or whatever is a big chunk out of what may be a transfer budget of £40m-£50m.

If I didn't think the money could be better spent I wouldn't care what the price was, not sure that we have the luxury of wasting money when still catching up.

This is where I kind of disagree though, I know the majority on here like Arby but I have never liked him as a player, he always seems a bit lazy and laid back for my liking as was demonstrated by Carragher's rant at him. I think RB was a key position as the LB is now starting to look pretty good with Aurelio and Insua. Now if we can get hold of someone like Robben and perhaps even get Owen back cheaply then I'd be happy with the summer transfers.

by **aCe'** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:18 pm

heimdall wrote:
aCe' wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Scottbot wrote:
aCe' wrote:1. the oh so injury prone Robben played 42 fckin games last season.... i;d take an injury prone world class player who plays 42 games a season...
2. for 18mill we would have gotten a very good attacking player... the likes of Sneijder, Mancini, DiMaria, Joaquin, Maxi Rodriques, Arshavin?, Hleb, Ben Arfa, Cazorla, Mutu, Capel, Navas, L.Fabiano...etc
now add 10mill to that and you're talking the likes of Silva, Teves, Etoo and so on... funny how 18mill is nothing to some... yea whatever !

3. Evra, cole, clichy and Sagna... how much were they bought for ? where they all big players when bought by their current clubs ? name a fullback in world transfers history who cost similar or more money and was of similar quality to glen johnson ? the likes of Zambrotta, Srna, Rafinha, Sagna, Lahm Miguel... is Johnson better than any of the above ? would/did any of them cost that much ?

Some good points on the fullback front and it's hard to disagree, it's a lot of money, I liked the Russian RB Anyokov (or whatever his name is) and i'm sure he would have been available on the cheap cheap.

As for the middies, Sneider, Ben Arfa and Mancini are all decent shouts, the rest of them read a bit like a champ manager scout search and i must admit i haven't seen enough of them to have an opinion. I don't think Hleb would come (or be sold), I haven't seen anything of Navas, Capel, Cazorla, Di Maria or Fabiano (assuming you have?) and as for Arshavin (don't get me started!) I do like Silva.

Not sure E'to is an option, I'm not sure he'd come and play second fiddle to Torres, Tevez would have been nice but even if he wanted to come i don't think we would , could or should match the wage offer he gets from City.

Why are you sure the Russian defender would have been cheaper and how do you know he would adapt to the premiership??

You lot are really starting to me off now. We have just signed a great young England intrnational player for the going rate, yes it actually is, and yet even before the lad has officially signed or kicked a ball you are hacking away at him and Rafa, it's fecking bizare it really is.

Also how the hell do you guys know what kind of transfer budget Rafa has???

Right back has been a problem position for years, and Arby was never the answer, if Glen can do a job for us and judging by the fact that Capello has faith in him and also the bits I've seen him play for Pompey,I feel confident he'll be a tremendous signing.

I get accused of being negative on this forum but fecking hell I am not even close to some of you doom mongers.

thats a pathetic attempt to earn browny points buddy...
and no it isnt the going rate.. its a laughable ridiculous price ... Luke young is an england international... dont see Chelsea bidding 20mil for him do you ?.... no one is saying hes a bad player or he''ll do badly... main concerns are about the fee paid... wanna argue that then cool... go ahead... wanna pick on posters for having an opinion then get to fck, kindly.

Yeah because I'm famous for brown nosing on this forum aren't I mate, oh hang on I seem to have 4 cards the same as you, you tit!!

I ordinarily agree with your views Ace and normally disagree with GYBS but lately things are getting confusing.

Don't take it personally just because my opinion differs from yours.

not at all mate... couldnt care less what someones opinion is as long as they keep it sensible and dont resort to slagging off posters or taking on a condescending tone in replying... fair enough i see where ur coming from just thought you could/should have worded ur post better...

no troubles though all is good in the newkit paradise...

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:18 pm

ill be honest the only prob i had with Johnson was the price, an how much it has shot up over the season, Thats my only prob. if the lad has chosen to wear the red shirt then he will have my full support same as any other player, I really hope he does well an with the quality of players that he has around him will shine.

by **heimdall** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:19 pm

GYBS wrote:Carrick would be 4th choice at liverpool.

4th!!!!! what behind Lucas? Please stop GYBS you're killing me here.

by **GYBS** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:20 pm

Still no one has answered when Rafa told us all his exact budget and people seem to think we have just spent most of it on Johnson

by **ho11ywood1** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:20 pm

Owzat wrote:
aCe' wrote:only ridiculous thing down here is that we'r paying 18mill for johnson.. we move on though..... good player and lets try to bring someone else further up now..

If we had £100m or more to spend on players I doubt Johnson's price would be an issue. What worries most of us, I think I'm reasonably safe in saying it is a sticking point for most anyway, is that £18m or whatever is a big chunk out of what may be a transfer budget of £40m-£50m.

If I didn't think the money could be better spent I wouldn't care what the price was, not sure that we have the luxury of wasting money when still catching up.

chaps - you seriously don't think Rafa is coughing up 18mil? Give him some credit. Someone is clearly on the way out to help towards the funds.

Plus the money from the Crouch deal......

by **heimdall** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:20 pm

GYBS wrote:Still no one has answered when Rafa told us all his exact budget and people seem to think we have just spent most of it on Johnson

Yes answer the question you doom mongeres.

by **aCe'** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:22 pm

heimdall wrote:
Owzat wrote:
aCe' wrote:only ridiculous thing down here is that we'r paying 18mill for johnson.. we move on though..... good player and lets try to bring someone else further up now..

If we had £100m or more to spend on players I doubt Johnson's price would be an issue. What worries most of us, I think I'm reasonably safe in saying it is a sticking point for most anyway, is that £18m or whatever is a big chunk out of what may be a transfer budget of £40m-£50m.

If I didn't think the money could be better spent I wouldn't care what the price was, not sure that we have the luxury of wasting money when still catching up.

This is where I kind of disagree though, I know the majority on here like Arby but I have never liked him as a player, he always seems a bit lazy and laid back for my liking as was demonstrated by Carragher's rant at him. I think RB was a key position as the LB is now starting to look pretty good with Aurelio and Insua. Now if we can get hold of someone like Robben and perhaps even get Owen back cheaply then I'd be happy with the summer transfers.

good post... disagree with the arbeloa bit though.. dont rate him too highly personally but i think hes a tidy little fullback and if nothing else offers us a stability and assurance down the back that im not so sure someone like Johnson (dossena?) would... does his job with little fuss or hype and leaves the attacking work to the attacking players... Fullbacks are supposed to be solid as far as im concerned.. anything on top of that is a plus

by **GYBS** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:23 pm

heimdall wrote:
GYBS wrote:Carrick would be 4th choice at liverpool.

4th!!!!! what behind Lucas? Please stop GYBS you're killing me here.

4th behind masher gerrard and xabi you clown

by **aCe'** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:23 pm

ho11ywood1 wrote:
Owzat wrote:
aCe' wrote:only ridiculous thing down here is that we'r paying 18mill for johnson.. we move on though..... good player and lets try to bring someone else further up now..

If we had £100m or more to spend on players I doubt Johnson's price would be an issue. What worries most of us, I think I'm reasonably safe in saying it is a sticking point for most anyway, is that £18m or whatever is a big chunk out of what may be a transfer budget of £40m-£50m.

If I didn't think the money could be better spent I wouldn't care what the price was, not sure that we have the luxury of wasting money when still catching up.

chaps - you seriously don't think Rafa is coughing up 18mil? Give him some credit. Someone is clearly on the way out to help towards the funds.

Plus the money from the Crouch deal......

lets hope its not Alonso out to fund Johnson... Nanny wouldnt be too happy about that...

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:23 pm

ho11ywood1 wrote:
Owzat wrote:
aCe' wrote:only ridiculous thing down here is that we'r paying 18mill for johnson.. we move on though..... good player and lets try to bring someone else further up now..

If we had £100m or more to spend on players I doubt Johnson's price would be an issue. What worries most of us, I think I'm reasonably safe in saying it is a sticking point for most anyway, is that £18m or whatever is a big chunk out of what may be a transfer budget of £40m-£50m.

If I didn't think the money could be better spent I wouldn't care what the price was, not sure that we have the luxury of wasting money when still catching up.

chaps - you seriously don't think Rafa is coughing up 18mil? Give him some credit. Someone is clearly on the way out to help towards the funds.

Plus the money from the Crouch deal......

Thats why i feel a bit easier about it,

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