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by **Number 9** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:01 pm

GYBS wrote: Very Funny Number 9 .Unfortunatly that help costs other people millions on pounds in tax payers money which is another gripe of mine .

And peewee do you think people choose to get depressed ? Do you think they wake up one day and say to themselves "Oh i think i will try depression today as opposed to snorting cocaine or having a bet or getting hammered on a daily basis " . You cant compare them .

Being an Alcoholic or a Drug Addict or Gambling your life away is things that can easily be avoided - Ie dont do them in the first place - not an illness in my mind.

See that is were you are wrong lad!!
Its like me turning round and saying to you,"cheer up ya depressive fuc'ker,sure you have nothing to be sad about"...I would not say that because its something I dont understand and therefore I cant judge you!Also I know it is a chemical imbalance in a persons brain most of the time that causes the illness as opposed to events in the persons life!So it aint your fault or anyone else who suffers/suffered from it!!

Its the same for Didi,you are not qualified to say you have no sympathy and its his own fault.You are judging something you are ignorant to and have not experienced.Men have lost their families,jobs everything they own due to gambling addiction.

Like a depressive gets up in the morning and knows he will feel low,a gambling addict I would assume gets up knowing full well he will gamble,even though he does not want to.Dont be too quick to dismiss something because you have to physically act to do it as not an illness,what I mean because a druggie jacks up,because a gambler goes to a bookies etc and they are aware they are doing it does not mean they are not ill.I guess no one really understands how addictions work,the brain is complicated and still a lot is unknown about how it works!

Just a bit narrow minded to come off with"No sympathy,its his own fault"
Fecking think about it lad!

by **GYBS** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:19 pm

Was he made to go gambling in the first place ? was he forced too ? Did he know the risks of getting addicted ? did he wake up one morning thinking i must gamble or did he start it cause he enjoyed the thrill of it and the thrill of winning until he stopped winning and then he couldnt start - So is the moral of the story the fact he had a choice at the start - 1. Gamble and know the risks 2. Dont gamble and dont be addicted to it . He decided on number 1 so is the master of his own destiny and must live with his own choices - so yes i have no sympathy just like i didnt with any other gamblers or drug addicts like merson or drinkers like adams and best - They had a choice and decided to take the risk . I didnt have a choice about my illness - it happened - trust me if i had a choice i wouldnt of picked it .

by **Number 9** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:22 pm

GYBS wrote:Was he made to go gambling in the first place ? was he forced too ? Did he know the risks of getting addicted ? did he wake up one morning thinking i must gamble or did he start it cause he enjoyed the thrill of it and the thrill of winning until he stopped winning and then he couldnt start - So is the moral of the story the fact he had a choice at the start - 1. Gamble and know the risks 2. Dont gamble and dont be addicted to it . He decided on number 1 so is the master of his own destiny and must live with his own choices - so yes i have no sympathy just like i didnt with any other gamblers or drug addicts like merson or drinkers like adams and best - They had a choice and decided to take the risk . I didnt have a choice about my illness - it happened - trust me if i had a choice i wouldnt of picked it .

No point even debating things with you,I cant decide if your just narrow minded or thick!!
Perhaps both.
Lets just hope a member of your family never becomes addicted to anything!

by **Greavesie** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:25 pm

I have a mate who I'm worried is begginning to form an addiction to poker so I'm sorry to see Didi in the situation that he's in. Perhaps I can point this out to him to put him off gambling I don't mind the odd flutter at the bookies but that's as far as I go. Didi is a legend here and I'm certianly sorry to see here he has ended up

by **GYBS** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:28 pm

how is it narrow minded ? how can any excuses be made for someone whbo got themselves into the shi.t ?!? no one forced him . He is a millionare who blew his money - his own fault he blew the amount of money that none of us will earn in ten years - money that the fans helped finance and we are supposed to feel sorry for him ?!?! no thanks . if this was a joe bloggs millionare would people feel sorry for him then ? or is it all down to them being an exliverpool player ?? .

And my family arent stupid enough to take the risk to get addicted to something so stupid .

Maybe just maybe people need to stand up and take responsiblity for their own actions .

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:35 pm

The problem with addiction is you need a bigger and bigger "fix" to get the same buzz. Stop smoking for a year and the first cig afterwards hits you like cocaine. You can actually feel your synopsis dancing in celebration, but in next to no time you are back needing more and more cigs and you still cant get that same "hit".

Same with gambling addiction, if you don't bet a meaningful amount you don't get the buzz, and as a meaningful amount for Hamann would be a damn site more than Barrys £10 rollup, debts can quickly mount.

The difference between GYBS's depression and an addiction, is that an addict can try to stop, GYBS can only suffer through it, without the option...... no matter how hard it is....... stopping is an option for any addict.

by **GYBS** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:37 pm

Starting it in the first place is also an option as well saint - they have a choice - so why should there be an outpouring of sympathy for something that is there own doing in the first place ?

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:45 pm

GYBS wrote:Starting it in the first place is also an option as well saint - they have a choice - so why should there be an outpouring of sympathy for something that is there own doing in the first place ?

I don't think anyone starts by thinking...... I know whats a good idea lets get addicted

People are curious and want to try things which are enjoyable or make them feel good.(or we would all be as depressed as you !

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by **GYBS** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:46 pm

But the option is there mate and they all know the risks thou doont they ? they understand how easily it can be addicted then spiral out of control and ruin your life ?

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:52 pm

GYBS wrote:But the option is there mate and they all know the risks thou doont they ? they understand how easily it can be addicted then spiral out of control and ruin your life ?

So what are you supposed to do? Not eat, not have sex, not drink. Its just unfortunate that some people can't handle different things as well as others, so you get people addicted to sex, thrills, virtually anything. (I chose the sex addiction, but my wife soon cured me

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by **GYBS** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:05 pm

Live your life and through common sense - everyone knows betting is a mugs me , drugs are easily addictive and ruin lives and drinking must be done to the right levels in moderation not on a daily basis . Look at Best - drank himself to death and that was even after he got a new liver he then carried on drinking and people wanted other people to show him sympathy

by **Number 9** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:17 pm

GYBS wrote:how is it narrow minded ? how can any excuses be made for someone whbo got themselves into the shi.t ?!? no one forced him . He is a millionare who blew his money - his own fault he blew the amount of money that none of us will earn in ten years - money that the fans helped finance and we are supposed to feel sorry for him ?!?! no thanks . if this was a joe bloggs millionare would people feel sorry for him then ? or is it all down to them being an exliverpool player ?? .

And my family arent stupid enough to take the risk to get addicted to something so stupid .

Maybe just maybe people need to stand up and take responsiblity for their own actions .

Its narrow minded because you have made your judgement on something you have not experienced or understand!

If the rest of the world was the same as you there would be no help for anyone with addictions....or maybe they dont deserve help as its their own fault,they are in control of their own destiny right?

Heres a thought if a man becomes depressed because of a gambling addiction...would he get your sympathy(maybe sympathy is the wrong word) but im sure you get me.
Would you say then he was worthy of compassion and help as he was in the same boat as you?..
Or would you say feck him,hes depressed because he became addicted to gambling and was in control of his own actions!

Heres another one for you...Perhaps people become addicted to things because they are depressed and just dont know it as it is a whole new emotion.... and they use the buzz to fill the void??
What then?

Its to complex of a problem to just write off as his own fault,theres a lot more to it than that.But as I said you are narrow minded and cant grasp that!

by **GYBS** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:27 pm

Number 9 wrote:
GYBS wrote:how is it narrow minded ? how can any excuses be made for someone whbo got themselves into the shi.t ?!? no one forced him . He is a millionare who blew his money - his own fault he blew the amount of money that none of us will earn in ten years - money that the fans helped finance and we are supposed to feel sorry for him ?!?! no thanks . if this was a joe bloggs millionare would people feel sorry for him then ? or is it all down to them being an exliverpool player ?? .

And my family arent stupid enough to take the risk to get addicted to something so stupid .

Maybe just maybe people need to stand up and take responsiblity for their own actions .

Its narrow minded because you have made your judgement on something you have not experienced or understand!

If the rest of the world was the same as you there would be no help for anyone with addictions....or maybe they dont deserve help as its their own fault,they are in control of their own destiny right?

Heres a thought if a man becomes depressed because of a gambling addiction...would he get your sympathy(maybe sympathy is the wrong word) but im sure you get me.
Would you say then he was worthy of compassion and help as he was in the same boat as you?..
Or would you say feck him,hes depressed because he became addicted to gambling and was in control of his own actions!

Heres another one for you...Perhaps people become addicted to things because they are depressed and just dont know it as it is a whole new emotion.... and they use the buzz to fill the void??
What then?

Its to complex of a problem to just write off as his own fault,theres a lot more to it than that.But as I said you are narrow minded and cant grasp that!

How do you know i havent experienced it or understand it ?? there is always little twists you can make about something - Say hamman was that worried about his gambling he wasnt concentrating and was driving and killed someone ? then what ? a drug addict or a gambling addict kills for money to get their fix and feed their habit ? what then ?

Oh i can grasp it alright -

Hamman - earns millions each year - more than we can ever dream of earning - decides he wants to gamble for the thrill and runs up massive debts and throws all his money away gambling - money that the funs helped fund - money that could of been put to better use in the world - and you want me to show sympathy for someone who was more privilaged than i could dream off but threw it away through his own stupidity

no thanks.

Did you show sympathy to adams or best or merson or mutu or anyone else who has thrown away their lives through drugs drink gambling etc ?

by **Number 9** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:29 pm

GYBS wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
GYBS wrote:how is it narrow minded ? how can any excuses be made for someone whbo got themselves into the shi.t ?!? no one forced him . He is a millionare who blew his money - his own fault he blew the amount of money that none of us will earn in ten years - money that the fans helped finance and we are supposed to feel sorry for him ?!?! no thanks . if this was a joe bloggs millionare would people feel sorry for him then ? or is it all down to them being an exliverpool player ?? .

And my family arent stupid enough to take the risk to get addicted to something so stupid .

Maybe just maybe people need to stand up and take responsiblity for their own actions .

Its narrow minded because you have made your judgement on something you have not experienced or understand!

If the rest of the world was the same as you there would be no help for anyone with addictions....or maybe they dont deserve help as its their own fault,they are in control of their own destiny right?

Heres a thought if a man becomes depressed because of a gambling addiction...would he get your sympathy(maybe sympathy is the wrong word) but im sure you get me.
Would you say then he was worthy of compassion and help as he was in the same boat as you?..
Or would you say feck him,hes depressed because he became addicted to gambling and was in control of his own actions!

Heres another one for you...Perhaps people become addicted to things because they are depressed and just dont know it as it is a whole new emotion.... and they use the buzz to fill the void??
What then?

Its to complex of a problem to just write off as his own fault,theres a lot more to it than that.But as I said you are narrow minded and cant grasp that!

How do you know i havent experienced it or understand it ?? there is always little twists you can make about something - Say hamman was that worried about his gambling he wasnt concentrating and was driving and killed someone ? then what ? a drug addict or a gambling addict kills for money to get their fix and feed their habit ? what then ?

Oh i can grasp it alright -

Hamman - earns millions each year - more than we can ever dream of earning - decides he wants to gamble for the thrill and runs up massive debts and throws all his money away gambling - money that the funs helped fund - money that could of been put to better use in the world - and you want me to show sympathy for someone who was more privilaged than i could dream off but threw it away through his own stupidity no thanks.

Did you show sympathy to adams or best or merson or mutu or anyone else who has thrown away their lives through drugs drink gambling etc ?

Oh holy fu'ck!!

I give up,your daft as a brush!

by **Ace Ventura** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:57 pm

GYBS whether you think a gamblers addiction is his own fault (i think s@aint explained it a few posts back pretty well tbh) how can you not have sympathy for one of our modern day legends if he is in a bad predicament.

Thats a little spiteful imo.

He's done nothing to hurt you.

What he has done is bring you great times with his contribution in the champions league final.

So you can keep your big moral stance and blame him all you want but to me i feel sympathy for him cos he have only good feeling towards him after the service he gave our club.

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