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[DrPepe]

i wouldnt feel sorry for him cause there is more people worthy out there deserving of that sympathy than over paid footballers who get themselves into trouble through their own actions. Yes it may  well be an illness but its an illness that can be avoided .

Well we all live for the day that the everyone in the world are "in control of their own destiny"!!

Until then thank fu'ck there are people there that care and help the likes of Didi!

i wouldn't be so sure - where the feck were they when he was developing his little habit? 

[Ace Ventura]

but there is plenty of things you are in control off thou isnt there .

Personal choices in life and people have to bear the consequences of those actions .

S@int made a good point.

Nobody at first thinks i know i will gamble, take this drug, drink ale and that will f'ck me over and possibly fck my life up.

They will have more than likely looked and thought me dad did/does that, me mates did/do that, wonder what thats like ?

Might be kinda a laugh.

There choice - agreed.

But the majority of people can do these things every now and then and not get addicted, the addictive personality thing is not in everyone.

Do you gamble - ever ?

Even on the national or the lottery, just a pound or coppers ?
Some people start like that and pick up the buzz, that with their personality can spiral out of control.

Yes 100% agree , it was their own fault for choosing to do what every major influence in their life was doing. But perhaps they just didnt realise and if they did they would never put that first bet on again.

[Ace Ventura]

i wouldnt feel sorry for him cause there is more people worthy out there deserving of that sympathy than over paid footballers who get themselves into trouble through their own actions. Yes it may  well be an illness but its an illness that can be avoided .

Ok we get it, there are starvin kids and homeless people and there was a plane that went down the other day etc etc etc.

Maybe they all deserve far more thoughts and sympathy and multimillionaire Didi.

But so what - we all still love him and wish him all the best.

I just wouldnt take a tip of him 

And if he never played football for liverpool ? would he get the same sympathy from you ?

If i knew him or had heard of him yes.

read my post about working in the casino.

Why wouldnt they ?

Its not nice and even if they are mostly to blame i dont like seeing anyone having a hard time.

[GYBS]

but there is plenty of things you are in control off thou isnt there .

Personal choices in life and people have to bear the consequences of those actions .

S@int made a good point.

Nobody at first thinks i know i will gamble, take this drug, drink ale and that will f'ck me over and possibly fck my life up.

They will have more than likely looked and thought me dad did/does that, me mates did/do that, wonder what thats like ?

Might be kinda a laugh.

There choice - agreed.

But the majority of people can do these things every now and then and not get addicted, the addictive personality thing is not in everyone.

Do you gamble - ever ?

Even on the national or the lottery, just a pound or coppers ?
Some people start like that and pick up the buzz, that with their personality can spiral out of control.

Yes 100% agree , it was their own fault for choosing to do what every major influence in their life was doing. But perhaps they just didnt realise and if they did they would never put that first bet on again.

But there is massive risks  out there when taking those choices - they are well documented and always in the limelight and those risks are massive - many many people in the world are testament to that and the warnings are there for all to see yet some still take those risks . If they didnt realise the risks then they must be living in a bubble or on another planet .

[Number 9]

i wouldnt feel sorry for him cause there is more people worthy out there deserving of that sympathy than over paid footballers who get themselves into trouble through their own actions. Yes it may  well be an illness but its an illness that can be avoided .

Well we all live for the day that the everyone in the world are "in control of their own destiny"!!

Until then thank fu'ck there are people there that care and help the likes of Didi!

i wouldn't be so sure - where the feck were they when he was developing his little habit? 

He was not running around with a sign on his head saying im becoming addicted to gambling.It was obviously kept hidden and by the time its came out its too late.

People dont come running to help anyone,its up to the person to seek it,but its there!

[Ace Ventura]

but there is plenty of things you are in control off thou isnt there .

Personal choices in life and people have to bear the consequences of those actions .

S@int made a good point.

Nobody at first thinks i know i will gamble, take this drug, drink ale and that will f'ck me over and possibly fck my life up.

They will have more than likely looked and thought me dad did/does that, me mates did/do that, wonder what thats like ?

Might be kinda a laugh.

There choice - agreed.

But the majority of people can do these things every now and then and not get addicted, the addictive personality thing is not in everyone.

Do you gamble - ever ?

Even on the national or the lottery, just a pound or coppers ?
Some people start like that and pick up the buzz, that with their personality can spiral out of control.

Yes 100% agree , it was their own fault for choosing to do what every major influence in their life was doing. But perhaps they just didnt realise and if they did they would never put that first bet on again.

But there is massive risks  out there when taking those choices - they are well documented and always in the limelight and those risks are massive - many many people in the world are testament to that and the warnings are there for all to see yet some still take those risks . If they didnt realise the risks then they must be living in a bubble or on another planet .

Its not like he is one of a select few - he gambles.

Go into liverpool city centre any day of the week and you will see people doing the same thing.
Some can be sensible and think i have only got £20 for my footy bets, others spunk the £20 and then dip into money they had for essentials etc etc.

But when they place their very first bet i am certain that they dont realise - het i could end up hooked on this.

Naive and stupid - possibly.

Deserving of help and sympathy - most certainly.

[GYBS]

Im sorry i guess we will have to agree to disagree cause i dont and wont ever think he will be deserving of sympathy or anyone in his position, and as for help yes he should get it and he should also pay for it as well .

[DrPepe]

i wouldnt feel sorry for him cause there is more people worthy out there deserving of that sympathy than over paid footballers who get themselves into trouble through their own actions. Yes it may  well be an illness but its an illness that can be avoided .

Well we all live for the day that the everyone in the world are "in control of their own destiny"!!

Until then thank fu'ck there are people there that care and help the likes of Didi!

i wouldn't be so sure - where the feck were they when he was developing his little habit? 

He was not running around with a sign on his head saying im becoming addicted to gambling.It was obviously kept hidden and by the time its came out its too late.

People dont come running to help anyone,its up to the person to seek it,but its there!

i see what you're saying but by the sounds of it , it's got to the stage where  he's in serious financial problems (I would still like to get my hands on that CL medal for 50 quid    ...) , there must have been a time prior to this when his friends and family realised his level of spending?

[Reg]

I never bet because I work hard for my cash and I dont intend to throw it away. I spend it on the wife and kids or on my old car - my hobby, but thinking I know which horse will win or race or which dog is faster than other.... come, come......

I prefer physical challenges - my current one is to swim 10 miles next summer, I´m training 5 days a week for that. Then I´m playing with a old challenge thats haunted me for years... to row the atlantic. Then ride a pushbike to Central Asia. Then sail the atlantic singlehanded, finally drive my old car all the way to Shanghai via Iran, Central Asia and western China.

So do I know which horse will win a race?  Do I héll.

[Ace Ventura]

I never bet because I work hard for my cash and I dont intend to throw it away. I spend it on the wife and kids or on my old car - my hobby, but thinking I know which horse will win or race or which dog is faster than other.... come, come......

I prefer physical challenges - my current one is to swim 10 miles next summer, I´m training 5 days a week for that. Then I´m playing with a old challenge thats haunted me for years... to row the atlantic. Then ride a pushbike to Central Asia. Then sail the atlantic singlehanded, finally drive my old car all the way to Shanghai via Iran, Central Asia and western China.

So do I know which horse will win a race?  Do I héll.

Good stuff mate, best of luck.

Think is due to the avatar i have you pictured as boycie and cant imagine it.

Its the same picture i have in my head of big mick being a monkey and shooting a gun and definately of GYBS beine something that resembles a rodent - no offence intended really GYBS 

[GYBS]

no offence taken jim carey

[tonyeh]

I have an old one I can sell you, going cheap but its not in its original wrapper any more......

Eh, no thanks Reginald.

I don't know what the girlfriend would say if she found it, although having one may mean I might get laid once in a while. 

[Rush Job]

FWIW im an addict, everything in controll at the mo but there not things that leave you, you just hopefully get to a point were you understand it and gain some controll and gambling was one of em, which wasnt great because like mick I was working as a manager of a bookies at the time. I would get into a mind set like the more I lose the more likely I am to win the next one, not good.
My addictions now are heathy ones, ive been doing MMA and BJJ for the last few years which works great for me because if I want to retain performance and hopefully continue to improve I cant be on this that and the other, I think an active life is one of the best things for depression,I dont really believe in anti-depresents, you need to tackle the problem not try and mask it with chemicals. If you have a problem because of something in your past you need to work though it not try and hide from it and hope it goes away because it wont.

[112-1077774096]

how is it narrow minded ? how can any excuses be made for someone whbo got themselves into the shi.t ?!? no one forced him . He is a millionare who blew his money - his own fault he blew the amount of money that none of us will earn in ten years - money that the fans helped finance and we are supposed to feel sorry for him ?!?! no thanks . if this was a joe bloggs millionare would people feel sorry for him  then ? or is it all down to them being an exliverpool player ?? .

And my family arent stupid enough to take the risk to get addicted to something so stupid .

Maybe just maybe people need to stand up and take responsiblity for their own actions .

Its narrow minded because you have made your judgement on something you have not experienced or understand!

If the rest of the world was the same as you there would be no help for anyone with addictions....or maybe they dont deserve help as its their own fault,they are in control of their own destiny right?

Heres a thought if a man becomes depressed because of a gambling addiction...would he get your sympathy(maybe sympathy is the wrong word) but im sure you get me.
Would you say then he was worthy of compassion and help as he was in the same boat as you?..
Or would you say feck him,hes depressed because he became addicted to gambling and was in control of his own actions!

Heres another one for you...Perhaps people become addicted to things because they are depressed and just dont know it as it is a whole new emotion.... and they use the buzz to fill the void??
What then?

Its to complex of a problem to just write off as his own fault,theres a lot more to it than that.But as I said you are narrow minded and cant grasp that!

How do you know i havent experienced it or understand it ?? there is always little twists  you can make about something - Say hamman was that worried about his gambling he wasnt concentrating and was driving and killed someone ? then what ? a drug addict or a gambling addict kills for money to get their fix and feed their habit ? what then ?

Oh i can grasp it alright -

Hamman - earns millions each year - more than we can ever dream of earning - decides he wants to gamble for the thrill and runs up massive debts and throws all his money away gambling - money that the funs helped fund - money that could of been put to better use in the world - and you want me to show sympathy for someone who was more privilaged than i could dream off but threw it away through his own stupidity no thanks.

Did you show sympathy to adams or best or merson or mutu or anyone else who has thrown away their lives through drugs drink gambling etc ?

what if you are feeling depressed one day and fail to repair a helicopter properley, etc etc etc

have you ever played the lottery? this is gambling, are you saying you have never gambled in your life? have you ever had a drink, have you ever smoked. Ok the dugs and smoking is a choice people make that will harm their health so i understand why you say no sympathy, however we all gamble on certain things, and for some people this becomes an addiction. even the sweepstake in the office for the grand national is gambling, people with adictive personalities get addicted, thats just in their nature

[Lando_Griffin]

how is it narrow minded ? how can any excuses be made for someone whbo got themselves into the shi.t ?!? no one forced him . He is a millionare who blew his money - his own fault he blew the amount of money that none of us will earn in ten years - money that the fans helped finance and we are supposed to feel sorry for him ?!?! no thanks . if this was a joe bloggs millionare would people feel sorry for him  then ? or is it all down to them being an exliverpool player ?? .

And my family arent stupid enough to take the risk to get addicted to something so stupid .

Maybe just maybe people need to stand up and take responsiblity for their own actions .

Its narrow minded because you have made your judgement on something you have not experienced or understand!

If the rest of the world was the same as you there would be no help for anyone with addictions....or maybe they dont deserve help as its their own fault,they are in control of their own destiny right?

Heres a thought if a man becomes depressed because of a gambling addiction...would he get your sympathy(maybe sympathy is the wrong word) but im sure you get me.
Would you say then he was worthy of compassion and help as he was in the same boat as you?..
Or would you say feck him,hes depressed because he became addicted to gambling and was in control of his own actions!

Heres another one for you...Perhaps people become addicted to things because they are depressed and just dont know it as it is a whole new emotion.... and they use the buzz to fill the void??
What then?

Its to complex of a problem to just write off as his own fault,theres a lot more to it than that.But as I said you are narrow minded and cant grasp that!

How do you know i havent experienced it or understand it ?? there is always little twists  you can make about something - Say hamman was that worried about his gambling he wasnt concentrating and was driving and killed someone ? then what ? a drug addict or a gambling addict kills for money to get their fix and feed their habit ? what then ?

Oh i can grasp it alright -

Hamman - earns millions each year - more than we can ever dream of earning - decides he wants to gamble for the thrill and runs up massive debts and throws all his money away gambling - money that the funs helped fund - money that could of been put to better use in the world - and you want me to show sympathy for someone who was more privilaged than i could dream off but threw it away through his own stupidity no thanks.

Did you show sympathy to adams or best or merson or mutu or anyone else who has thrown away their lives through drugs drink gambling etc ?

what if you are feeling depressed one day and fail to repair a helicopter properley, etc etc etc

have you ever played the lottery? this is gambling, are you saying you have never gambled in your life? have you ever had a drink, have you ever smoked. Ok the dugs and smoking is a choice people make that will harm their health so i understand why you say no sympathy, however we all gamble on certain things, and for some people this becomes an addiction. even the sweepstake in the office for the grand national is gambling, people with adictive personalities get addicted, thats just in their nature

Depression - illness.

Gambling - addiction.

That is the difference. A mental or physical dependency on a substance/passtime is not an illness, it's a weakness for a particular "high".

We can let the happy nappy brigade dress it up all they want, but drug addiction, alcoholism, smoking and gambling are not illnesses. If they were, they would not be curable through will-power alone. They are the result of actions taken by the addict.

I'm not implying that addictions aren't devastating. I'm just pointing out that the only people who label addictions "illnesses" are the limp-wristed "everyone's a victim" brigade who are rapidly ruining this country.

"Everyone's a victim" - apart from the real victims, that is...