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Scottbot wrote:I'm just saying the atmosphere didn't compare to previous Champions League ties

The_Rock wrote:Everything was moving along fine....we thrashed 3 former european champions .......

Then dundalk comes along and starts the match thread.... 

Why can't people just let Bermenstein start the match threads FFS............. 

change the record mate 

lakes10 wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:

peewee wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:

peewee wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:

peewee wrote:well it doesnt matter what we think, its what the owners think, its what possibly new owners will think. if we win nothing this season  its 3 seasons without a trophy, they may see any progress made as not enough, the power balance might shift from hicks to gillett and we all know gillett wants him out, many things can happen and all lakes said is it will be expensive now to get rid of rafa. he never said lets sack him

When you put that in the chelsea liverpool match thread and start saying it will be expensive to sack him now it kinda indicates that thats whats in your thoughts doesnt it ?

no it doesnt, I am just backing up lakes from an unwarranted attack from people who either didnt read his post, or did read it and choose to misinterpret it

Well i disagree with you.

If you choose to start making comments on the managers future in the liverpool-chelsea match thread to me that must be for a reason.

There was no reason to suggest it or bring up Rafa's future at all and to me it was because we had just lost a game.



Thats not right.

have you read the thread mate, I never started to make comments about the manager, i never blamed him for last night, i never said sack him in this thread, I simply point out that i agree with lakes comments that the contract should have come at the end of the season, and i defend him because people are saying he wants rafa sacked and he did not say that, hope that clears it up

ffs mate its a match thread, rafa is the manager, surely he can be discussed in this thread whether positive or negative.

Not sure what you are on mate 

Yes i have read the thread, i was responding to what lakes stated - yes you can post negative stuff, post till your hearts content.

But if anyone in the chelsea match thread starts talking about Rafa being given a new contract that to me suggests you are not happy with it.

Most of the people who then jumped on that correctly said that nobody was mentioning it when we won 4-1 at old trafford or 4-0 against Real Madrid.

We all know that you still have reservations about the manager, thats fine, but for some fans to come on after one bad performance and start talking about his contract is not on imo.

Its an OTT reaction to a bad defeat whichever way you want to try and dress it up.

by your post i can tell you did not read my first long post that all this has been about, all i said right at the end was if we get knocked out and we end up 3rd Rafa might not be safe in his job, all the talk about contracts was started by other posters not me, i gave a reply that yes it would cost a lot to get rid of him and that was the problem abput giving him a new contract before the end of the football year.

not once did i say he should be sack.

Ace Ventura wrote:

lakes10 wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:

peewee wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:

peewee wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:

peewee wrote:well it doesnt matter what we think, its what the owners think, its what possibly new owners will think. if we win nothing this season  its 3 seasons without a trophy, they may see any progress made as not enough, the power balance might shift from hicks to gillett and we all know gillett wants him out, many things can happen and all lakes said is it will be expensive now to get rid of rafa. he never said lets sack him

When you put that in the chelsea liverpool match thread and start saying it will be expensive to sack him now it kinda indicates that thats whats in your thoughts doesnt it ?

no it doesnt, I am just backing up lakes from an unwarranted attack from people who either didnt read his post, or did read it and choose to misinterpret it

Well i disagree with you.

If you choose to start making comments on the managers future in the liverpool-chelsea match thread to me that must be for a reason.

There was no reason to suggest it or bring up Rafa's future at all and to me it was because we had just lost a game.



Thats not right.

have you read the thread mate, I never started to make comments about the manager, i never blamed him for last night, i never said sack him in this thread, I simply point out that i agree with lakes comments that the contract should have come at the end of the season, and i defend him because people are saying he wants rafa sacked and he did not say that, hope that clears it up

ffs mate its a match thread, rafa is the manager, surely he can be discussed in this thread whether positive or negative.

Not sure what you are on mate 

Yes i have read the thread, i was responding to what lakes stated - yes you can post negative stuff, post till your hearts content.

But if anyone in the chelsea match thread starts talking about Rafa being given a new contract that to me suggests you are not happy with it.

Most of the people who then jumped on that correctly said that nobody was mentioning it when we won 4-1 at old trafford or 4-0 against Real Madrid.

We all know that you still have reservations about the manager, thats fine, but for some fans to come on after one bad performance and start talking about his contract is not on imo.

Its an OTT reaction to a bad defeat whichever way you want to try and dress it up.

by your post i can tell you did not read my first long post that all this has been about, all i said right at the end was if we get knocked out and we end up 3rd Rafa might not be safe in his job, all the talk about contracts was started by other posters not me, i gave a reply that yes it would cost a lot to get rid of him and that was the problem abput giving him a new contract before the end of the football year.

not once did i say he should be sack.

But why are you even talking of getting rid of him ?

You werent before the Chelsea result as far as i am aware.

Ace Ventura wrote:Listen, i am not saying you said sack Rafa.

What i am saying is that by even talking about him going at the end of the season and how much we might have to pay him off, well thats a little OTT and even fickle as it wasnt being said last week.

i was asked the question and i answered it


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bunglemark2 wrote:Would all you tarts STILL going on about "Sack Rafa.....or not..." just shut your collective hoops please....

lakes10 wrote:well i could not sleep last night, might sound silly but i could not rest as i did not understand how we got it so wrong so i had to put it back on sky+.

when we got the goal (apart from us almost letting them right back in) we carried on pushing for 5 mins, then we started to sit back, keeping the ball in our own half, did not get any players up the park.

Aurelio did not have the best of games and twice was found out when trying to hold the ball ,Lucas seemed to be playing his own game of football and if you get the chance have a look at the game again and see the look on Gerrard and Carragher when he takes that shot that almost left the ground.
Lucas passing is very poor but in fact last night all our passing was poor, I think Rafa got it wrong in getting us to try and hold the ball up but the big problem last night was how Gerrard was taken out of the game.

Gerrard could have been given free will so he could shake off his marker, this could have got him back in the game, but when he tried to move he gets told to hold back by Rafa (think thats on 56 min)

its very clear Rafa was looking for a 1-0 win last night and then when it got to 1-1 he still was trying to hold it, the sad thing was Chelsea had come for the win and we was not ready for that.

there is no way Lucas should have startedand for anyone who askes "who would i play there instead" well after tonight anyone, Babel and Benayoun would have done a better job in that spot and its not even their best place, it even Ngog would have done better there.

I dont understand why Rafa did not change his plan at half time as it was clear it was not working, we need to sort out the man marking of Gerrard as other teams are now going to try this.

Zonal marking did not work last night, why, easy, Chelsea did their homework on it and they had the players that could pull it off, i dont think other teams in the prem could undo our marking like that but yet again when it did not work Rafa dd not put the change in place to stop ti.

so what now

well we are LIVERPOOL so there is always a chance that we could win 0-3, but what i fear most is that its going to hurt the mind set of the players in the prem and help Man U's players mind set.

once again the night before a big game Rafa comes out and has a pop at Man U manager and then only for us to go and look silly in the game.

Rafa should keep his gob shut and just get on with his job, if we do get knocked out and dont win the prem and end up 3rd i still think Rafa will have a problem keeping his job.

lakes10 wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:Listen, i am not saying you said sack Rafa.

What i am saying is that by even talking about him going at the end of the season and how much we might have to pay him off, well thats a little OTT and even fickle as it wasnt being said last week.

i was asked the question and i answered it


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Bam wrote:

heimdall wrote:

Bam wrote:

heimdall wrote:

Bam wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:

Bam wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:Rafa was outwitted
Basically it was a smash and grab with three sucker punches. Two corners and a one two three in the back of the net. Aurellio was awful and mostly to blame for allowing Drogba to race past him and slot the third. But to be honest the whole of the back four were shi.tting themselves of Drogba.
Alonso was poor. Lucas average at best. Gerrard was shackled and Torres was starved. Riera and Kuyt (except for the backheel) were ineffective. The only time we used width and played round the back was for the goal. The rest of the time we were too narrow (again) and pumped high balls which Terry ate up. We had no creativity and played right into their hands with our tactics. A poor show overall and Chelsea did a job on us. Even if we dont win over the two legs I hope to see a better display from the team who smashed madrid, bashed the mancs and mashed villa

Rafa was not 'outwitted', Roger the cabin boy.

Really? So Rafa outwitted Huddink?
I see.
So the scoreline was false?

Hiddink is a good manager, But I dont think he outwitted Rafa unless of course he planned on going a goal down., his team played better, end of.

Is it hard to see with those blinkers on.

Of course Rafa was outwitted, Gus completely nullified Liverpool my man marking Gerrard and thereby also nullifying Nando, it's weird than no other managers have thought of doing this but I bet a few might now. If you take Stevie out of the game then we have nothing in attack, THAT is the problem with our side it is completely reliant on Torres and Gerrard, not many options or possibilities if they get nullified is there Rafa you fecking genius you!

We were absolutely woefull again last night, pathetic display and wilted against an excellent Chelsea team which was set up masterfully by Hiddink. What fecks me off is that yet again Rafa had no plan B, I could see even before we scored that it wasn't really working and it was going to be tough for us yet Rafa makes no alterations, just blunders on and leads us into defeat, and he's here how many more years. 

Do not accuse me of having blinkers on you morbid individual.

No, for once I do not believe Rafa was outwitted, like I said if going a goal down was Hiddinks plan and scoring goals from poor defending then yes I'd agree with you.

Gerrard was no more 'nulfified' by Chelsea than he was at ManU a few weeks back. Torres found more space against Chelsea than he did against Man.U. By this notion do we conclude that every match one by a team is one by the manager outwitting the other. Individual mistakes, team mistakes and quite frankly a team turning up and simply playing better is irrelavant unless the manager gets the plaudits for outwitting the other. It is not so simple as that Hemidall, if it was do you honestly bel;ieve Rafa would of sent the players out in the second half playing an open game ? If he was physically able to operate each player he would of closed the game down. The fact is neither Hiddink nor Rafa outwitted eachother like you'd want us to believe. You need to hold your hands up and appreciate that two teams went out there and were caught up in the atmosphere, adrenaline pumping playing good football.

Yes Hiddink stuck Essein on Gerrard, and Kalou played instead of Anelka which lookiing back were good deciosions tactically. But we did not loose becasue of some astute managing. We lost for more reasons than just that, individual errors, team errors, being second best, missing a few chances and so on.

Torres found more space than he has done before in this fixture, if Hiddinks plan was to leave Terry falt on his a/rse while Torres rounded him and shot wide then I'd agree that they were 'outwitted' decisions made by Hiddink.

I am not disregarding the mangers influence just that it was not simply a fact of one manager outwitting the other. We started at high tempo scored an ealry goal, but seen as Torres was nulified that contradicts what you've been saying.

Many more factors are amongst this result than simply one manager outwitting the other.

morbid?? So now I'm fascinated by death am I or do you perhaps not really know the meaning of the word. 

Gerrard and Torres had more freedom than against Manure did he, wow I must have been watching the wrong fecking game, what was the final score in the game you were watching mate, did we win in cloud cuckoo land?

Your arguing style is akin to a toddler, "so it must have been Gus's plan to go a goal down then" brilliant, just brilliant that completely destroys my point that Chelsea dominated us the whole match apart from the first few minutes, even then I could see that Cheslea were set up much better than us.

Honestly fella you are a typical bangwagon glory hunting eejit who does not know his ariss from his elbow, let or lone football.

Morbid, miserable, gloomy, melancholy, morose, pessimistic, sad, heavy hearted, crest fallen, desolate, woebegone, sorrowful, wretched all equal our local resident muppet.