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[112-1077774096]

well it doesnt matter what we think, its what the owners think, its what possibly new owners will think. if we win nothing this season  its 3 seasons without a trophy, they may see any progress made as not enough, the power balance might shift from hicks to gillett and we all know gillett wants him out, many things can happen and all lakes said is it will be expensive now to get rid of rafa. he never said lets sack him

When you put that in the chelsea liverpool match thread and start saying it will be expensive to sack him now it kinda indicates that thats whats in your thoughts doesnt it ?

no it doesnt, I am just backing up lakes from an unwarranted attack from people who either didnt read his post, or did read it and choose to misinterpret it

[Ace Ventura]

well it doesnt matter what we think, its what the owners think, its what possibly new owners will think. if we win nothing this season  its 3 seasons without a trophy, they may see any progress made as not enough, the power balance might shift from hicks to gillett and we all know gillett wants him out, many things can happen and all lakes said is it will be expensive now to get rid of rafa. he never said lets sack him

When you put that in the chelsea liverpool match thread and start saying it will be expensive to sack him now it kinda indicates that thats whats in your thoughts doesnt it ?

no it doesnt, I am just backing up lakes from an unwarranted attack from people who either didnt read his post, or did read it and choose to misinterpret it

Well i disagree with you.

If you choose to start making comments on the managers future in the liverpool-chelsea match thread to me that must be for a reason.

There was no reason to suggest it or bring up Rafa's future at all and to me it was because we had just lost a game.



Thats not right.

[Scottbot]

Hiddink had obviously done his homework but to suggest that he in some way "outwitted" Raf is nonsense imo.

As far as I could see, they weren't "tactically" superior. We simply produced a very sloppy and complacent performance, which they exploited to ruthless effect. The result would have been no different against a Grant or Mourinho managed Chelsea.

I'd go along with that for the most part. You can't really legislate for two soft goals from set-pieces, that was very difficult to recover from. It's paper talk to try and say 'this manager outwitted that manager' although to be fair, we've all been quick to shout "Rafa outwits so and so" in the past when the result is a positive one. I'd deffo agree with anyone who says he could have changed things up sooner though, Benny came on and looked like he should have been playing from the start, he gave us that little bit of unpredictability, worked the whole pitch, always showed feet and brought a bit of trickery to the table.

As for giving Heimdall grief, I don't think he really deserves it, we know his general opinion of Rafa and it hasn't changed it a great deal because we've strung some good results together, same applies to Owzat. To be fair to both of em, they have continued to post regularly despite a fair bit of 'I told you so' from the so-called pro's (I feckin hate saying it like that) so good on them I say.

I still think the fans should take a bit of the blame for last night's performance. Heimdall says the Chelsea players were more fired up for last night's game. That's complete rubbish (plus I'm not sure how you'd measure it?) but their fans were up for it and Anfield wasn't a patch on it's usual European form, even at 1-0 up for 40 mins. It wasn't a patch on Arsenal, Chelsea or Milan of last season. The players feed off that in European games and when it's lacking, it transmits onto the pitch and the performance.

[bunglemark2]

I still think the fans should take a bit of the blame for last night's performance. Heimdall says the Chelsea players were more fired up for last night's game. That's complete rubbish (plus I'm not sure how you'd measure it?) but their fans were up for it and Anfield wasn't a patch on it's usual European form, even at 1-0 up for 40 mins. It wasn't a patch on Arsenal, Chelsea or Milan of last season. The players feed off that in European games and when it's lacking, it transmits onto the pitch and the performance.

You wha' ?
The fans are partly to blame ?

Sorry mate....as has been pointed out ad nauseam, the defending from set pieces was atrocious. Letting the same guy, even ONCE, get a free header unchallenged in the box is a complete No-No. Dreadful, Sunday morning league defending. To concede once is a disgrace, twice is unforgivable.

But in fairness to Chavski, they were first to everything, closing down, not letting us play anywhere on the pitch. Gerrard, as he is want to do, goes AWOL on big nights and when someone, particularly Essien, is all over him like a rash. His contribution last night was pitiful.

I'm praying we can overturn them next week but three goals at Stamford Bridge, even without Terry, just looks like a stretch too far...

[112-1077774096]

well it doesnt matter what we think, its what the owners think, its what possibly new owners will think. if we win nothing this season  its 3 seasons without a trophy, they may see any progress made as not enough, the power balance might shift from hicks to gillett and we all know gillett wants him out, many things can happen and all lakes said is it will be expensive now to get rid of rafa. he never said lets sack him

When you put that in the chelsea liverpool match thread and start saying it will be expensive to sack him now it kinda indicates that thats whats in your thoughts doesnt it ?

no it doesnt, I am just backing up lakes from an unwarranted attack from people who either didnt read his post, or did read it and choose to misinterpret it

Well i disagree with you.

If you choose to start making comments on the managers future in the liverpool-chelsea match thread to me that must be for a reason.

There was no reason to suggest it or bring up Rafa's future at all and to me it was because we had just lost a game.



Thats not right.

have you read the thread mate, I never started to make comments about the manager, i never blamed him for last night, i never said sack him in this thread, I simply point out that i agree with lakes comments that the contract should have come at the end of the season, and i defend him because people are saying he wants rafa sacked and he did not say that, hope that clears it up

ffs mate its a match thread, rafa is the manager, surely he can be discussed in this thread whether positive or negative.

[bunglemark2]

Would all you tarts STILL going on about "Sack Rafa.....or not..." just shut your collective hoops please....

[Avi Cohen]

And the Lord said, Liverpool - let thy defence be for 90 minutes' and His will was done.

We had an off night and my Chelsea fan of a brother-in-law said that's the best he'd seen them play all season. They were the better team - one of us had to be and last night it Chelsea.

We had an off night - Skrtel and Aurelio didn't play well, Lucas isn't up to this standard and Gerrard was marked out of it.

What worries me, however, is the insistence of zonal marking at corners. We were dumped out of the FA Cup because of it and now it looks like we're out of the CL because of it.

That said, the way we pull off the impossible I wouldn't bet the mortgage that we're out of this yet....

[Ace Ventura]

well it doesnt matter what we think, its what the owners think, its what possibly new owners will think. if we win nothing this season  its 3 seasons without a trophy, they may see any progress made as not enough, the power balance might shift from hicks to gillett and we all know gillett wants him out, many things can happen and all lakes said is it will be expensive now to get rid of rafa. he never said lets sack him

When you put that in the chelsea liverpool match thread and start saying it will be expensive to sack him now it kinda indicates that thats whats in your thoughts doesnt it ?

no it doesnt, I am just backing up lakes from an unwarranted attack from people who either didnt read his post, or did read it and choose to misinterpret it

Well i disagree with you.

If you choose to start making comments on the managers future in the liverpool-chelsea match thread to me that must be for a reason.

There was no reason to suggest it or bring up Rafa's future at all and to me it was because we had just lost a game.



Thats not right.

have you read the thread mate, I never started to make comments about the manager, i never blamed him for last night, i never said sack him in this thread, I simply point out that i agree with lakes comments that the contract should have come at the end of the season, and i defend him because people are saying he wants rafa sacked and he did not say that, hope that clears it up

ffs mate its a match thread, rafa is the manager, surely he can be discussed in this thread whether positive or negative.

Not sure what you are on mate 

Yes i have read the thread, i was responding to what lakes stated - yes you can post negative stuff, post till your hearts content.

But if anyone in the chelsea match thread starts talking about Rafa being given a new contract that to me suggests you are not happy with it.

Most of the people who then jumped on that correctly said that nobody was mentioning it when we won 4-1 at old trafford or 4-0 against Real Madrid.

We all know that you still have reservations about the manager, thats fine, but for some fans to come on after one bad performance and start talking about his contract is not on imo.

Its an OTT reaction to a bad defeat whichever way you want to try and dress it up.

[Judge]

whos that miserable worm again?

this all Dundalks fault 

i was asking heimdall 

[JoeTerp]

I think Guus looks the better manager because his players executed his plan better. That being said, as others have pointed out, it looked like the team didn't know what to do with the early lead. There was either a lack of communication going on here or incredibly poor execution or both.

I would not say that Rafa got beaten by Guus, and even more so I would vehemently disagree with anyone who blamed the loss on Rafa. I think it was more of a case of going against a really good European manager and Chelsea's team having more quality than ours, and wanting it more. Everyone was pretty much picking the exact team that Rafa played, and Rafa didn't have many choices on the bench and the ones he did make were the obvious changes and they had no impact on the game so even if they were made earlier most likely would not have changed much.

I would also take issue with anyone who would try and say that Lucas was exceptionally poor. The whole team was poor and Lucas played just as bad as everyone else, he might even be in the top 6 performers of the night for our team.

[Scottbot]

I still think the fans should take a bit of the blame for last night's performance. Heimdall says the Chelsea players were more fired up for last night's game. That's complete rubbish (plus I'm not sure how you'd measure it?) but their fans were up for it and Anfield wasn't a patch on it's usual European form, even at 1-0 up for 40 mins. It wasn't a patch on Arsenal, Chelsea or Milan of last season. The players feed off that in European games and when it's lacking, it transmits onto the pitch and the performance.

You wha' ?
The fans are partly to blame ?

Sorry mate....as has been pointed out ad nauseam, the defending from set pieces was atrocious. Letting the same guy, even ONCE, get a free header unchallenged in the box is a complete No-No. Dreadful, Sunday morning league defending. To concede once is a disgrace, twice is unforgivable.

But in fairness to Chavski, they were first to everything, closing down, not letting us play anywhere on the pitch. Gerrard, as he is want to do, goes AWOL on big nights and when someone, particularly Essien, is all over him like a rash. His contribution last night was pitiful.

I'm praying we can overturn them next week but three goals at Stamford Bridge, even without Terry, just looks like a stretch too far...

Maybe that's a bit strong, I'm just saying the atmosphere didn't compare to previous Champions League ties, Anfield is the greatest venue for sport anywhere in the world when the fans are in full pelt, they're a big hurdle for the opposition to overcome. Joe Cole was talking about it in the studio a little while back, he said "I can't explain it but they got on top of you somehow and you can't get them off". We weren't like that last night. I had a bunch of whinging sat behind me last night who only made a noise when it was to curse, gesticulate or swear when one of our players made a mistake.

[bunglemark2]

Maybe that's a bit strong, I'm just saying the atmosphere didn't compare to previous Champions League ties, Anfield is the greatest venue for sport anywhere in the world when the fans are in full pelt, they're a big hurdle for the opposition to overcome. Joe Cole was talking about it in the studio a little while back, he said "I can't explain it but they got on top of you somehow and you can't get them off". We weren't like that last night. I had a bunch of whinging sat behind me last night who only made a noise when it was to curse, gesticulate or swear when one of our players made a mistake.

Fairy nuff, bud....
No offence meant....
I take your point though about a subdued atmosphere. Looks like the nervousness spread from the pitch and infected the stands.

[Tarek Emam]

liverpool will win chelsea 3-0 in stamford bridge

[The_Rock]

Everything was moving along fine....we thrashed 3 former european champions .......

Then dundalk comes along and starts the match thread.... 

Why can't people just let Bermenstein start the match threads FFS............. 

[lakes10]

well it doesnt matter what we think, its what the owners think, its what possibly new owners will think. if we win nothing this season  its 3 seasons without a trophy, they may see any progress made as not enough, the power balance might shift from hicks to gillett and we all know gillett wants him out, many things can happen and all lakes said is it will be expensive now to get rid of rafa. he never said lets sack him

When you put that in the chelsea liverpool match thread and start saying it will be expensive to sack him now it kinda indicates that thats whats in your thoughts doesnt it ?

no it doesnt, I am just backing up lakes from an unwarranted attack from people who either didnt read his post, or did read it and choose to misinterpret it

Well i disagree with you.

If you choose to start making comments on the managers future in the liverpool-chelsea match thread to me that must be for a reason.

There was no reason to suggest it or bring up Rafa's future at all and to me it was because we had just lost a game.



Thats not right.

have you read the thread mate, I never started to make comments about the manager, i never blamed him for last night, i never said sack him in this thread, I simply point out that i agree with lakes comments that the contract should have come at the end of the season, and i defend him because people are saying he wants rafa sacked and he did not say that, hope that clears it up

ffs mate its a match thread, rafa is the manager, surely he can be discussed in this thread whether positive or negative.

Not sure what you are on mate 

Yes i have read the thread, i was responding to what lakes stated - yes you can post negative stuff, post till your hearts content.

But if anyone in the chelsea match thread starts talking about Rafa being given a new contract that to me suggests you are not happy with it.

Most of the people who then jumped on that correctly said that nobody was mentioning it when we won 4-1 at old trafford or 4-0 against Real Madrid.

We all know that you still have reservations about the manager, thats fine, but for some fans to come on after one bad performance and start talking about his contract is not on imo.

Its an OTT reaction to a bad defeat whichever way you want to try and dress it up.

by your post i can tell you did not read my first long post that all this has been about, all i said right at the end was if we get knocked out and we end up 3rd Rafa might not be safe in his job, all the talk about contracts was started by other posters not me, i gave a reply that yes it would cost a lot to get rid of him and that was the problem abput giving him a new contract before the end of the football year.

not once did i say he should be sack.