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GYBS wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

GYBS wrote:who is better than him there thou and shown it on a consistent basis ?

and max if you want to have a pop at kuyts effort yesterday then just remember all the sitters keane has missed and from closer to what kuyt was .

If ANY other midfield player in the squad was given as many opportunitys in the squad as Kuyt has, they would be better than him on the wing, apart from Lucas 

and whatfact do you base that on then ? have they ever shown it ?

Fowler_E7 wrote:

GYBS wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

GYBS wrote:who is better than him there thou and shown it on a consistent basis ?

and max if you want to have a pop at kuyts effort yesterday then just remember all the sitters keane has missed and from closer to what kuyt was .

If ANY other midfield player in the squad was given as many opportunitys in the squad as Kuyt has, they would be better than him on the wing, apart from Lucas 

and whatfact do you base that on then ? have they ever shown it ?

yes they have, on the rare occasion that someone else get a go on the right they are better than kuyt, everytime

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

GYBS wrote:The thing i see on sunday was kuyt was still getting involved - somethings happened somethings didnt happen but he was still there if not the greatest in attack was offering support to both gerrard and arbeloa and in the end got himself into a great position of which he should of done better - lost the ball a few times but a couple of times got up to win it back again . yeah kuyt hasnt been the greatest since xmas but when keane is poor he has no involvement in the play whatsoever - take the game on monday - the guy was nowhere at all .

that statement is a joke, Kuyt contributes something does he? you need to take the blinkers off. Keane at his worst offers 10 times more than your hero kuyt, who is an embarrestment to the club

I think it's you who needs to remove the blinkers.

Keane has done precisely nothing in 90% of the games he has featured in.

Kuyt, at the very least, moves around and creates space for the fullback to exploit. He also enters the area more than any other player and consistently shows for crosses.
You can't blame him for the fact that the wingers/fullbacks are always looking for someone else. (Whether or not they are justified in this is another matter.)

Kuyt is abysmal and by far the worst regular starter in our team, the blatant favourtism shown to him is a disgrace and has really got me asking questions of Benitez this season, something i have never done before during his reign. Kuyt is a joke of a player, yeah he does the things you mention, but the last time i checked that is not the job of a right sided midfielder. No touch, no skill, no vision, cant pass has minimal strength and pace and cant header. It is so unfair on the other players in the squad that a player who is consistently terrible plays week in week out while others get no chance.

Keane has been poor without question, however he has been completly shafted by the manager who has barely given him a run of games to get going. Everyone knows he is a better player than he has been showing, how about giving him a few games to see what he's got?

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

GYBS wrote:The thing i see on sunday was kuyt was still getting involved - somethings happened somethings didnt happen but he was still there if not the greatest in attack was offering support to both gerrard and arbeloa and in the end got himself into a great position of which he should of done better - lost the ball a few times but a couple of times got up to win it back again . yeah kuyt hasnt been the greatest since xmas but when keane is poor he has no involvement in the play whatsoever - take the game on monday - the guy was nowhere at all .

that statement is a joke, Kuyt contributes something does he? you need to take the blinkers off. Keane at his worst offers 10 times more than your hero kuyt, who is an embarrestment to the club

I think it's you who needs to remove the blinkers.

Keane has done precisely nothing in 90% of the games he has featured in.

Kuyt, at the very least, moves around and creates space for the fullback to exploit. He also enters the area more than any other player and consistently shows for crosses.
You can't blame him for the fact that the wingers/fullbacks are always looking for someone else. (Whether or not they are justified in this is another matter.)

Kuyt is abysmal and by far the worst regular starter in our team, the blatant favourtism shown to him is a disgrace and has really got me asking questions of Benitez this season, something i have never done before during his reign. Kuyt is a joke of a player, yeah he does the things you mention, but the last time i checked that is not the job of a right sided midfielder. No touch, no skill, no vision, cant pass has minimal strength and pace and cant header. It is so unfair on the other players in the squad that a player who is consistently terrible plays week in week out while others get no chance.

Keane has been poor without question, however he has been completly shafted by the manager who has barely given him a run of games to get going. Everyone knows he is a better player than he has been showing, how about giving him a few games to see what he's got?

Whilst I cannot argue against your opinion, I can point out that this myth of Rafa "not giving him games" has to stop.

He played our first 16 Premiership games. If 16 games isn't enough to find form with the chances we create, it's obviously not there.

Can you imagine Torres going 16 games without a goal?

Even Kuyt scores more regularly upfront.

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

GYBS wrote:The thing i see on sunday was kuyt was still getting involved - somethings happened somethings didnt happen but he was still there if not the greatest in attack was offering support to both gerrard and arbeloa and in the end got himself into a great position of which he should of done better - lost the ball a few times but a couple of times got up to win it back again . yeah kuyt hasnt been the greatest since xmas but when keane is poor he has no involvement in the play whatsoever - take the game on monday - the guy was nowhere at all .

that statement is a joke, Kuyt contributes something does he? you need to take the blinkers off. Keane at his worst offers 10 times more than your hero kuyt, who is an embarrestment to the club

I think it's you who needs to remove the blinkers.

Keane has done precisely nothing in 90% of the games he has featured in.

Kuyt, at the very least, moves around and creates space for the fullback to exploit. He also enters the area more than any other player and consistently shows for crosses.
You can't blame him for the fact that the wingers/fullbacks are always looking for someone else. (Whether or not they are justified in this is another matter.)

Kuyt is abysmal and by far the worst regular starter in our team, the blatant favourtism shown to him is a disgrace and has really got me asking questions of Benitez this season, something i have never done before during his reign. Kuyt is a joke of a player, yeah he does the things you mention, but the last time i checked that is not the job of a right sided midfielder. No touch, no skill, no vision, cant pass has minimal strength and pace and cant header. It is so unfair on the other players in the squad that a player who is consistently terrible plays week in week out while others get no chance.

Keane has been poor without question, however he has been completly shafted by the manager who has barely given him a run of games to get going. Everyone knows he is a better player than he has been showing, how about giving him a few games to see what he's got?

Whilst I cannot argue against your opinion, I can point out that this myth of Rafa "not giving him games" has to stop.

He played our first 16 Premiership games. If 16 games isn't enough to find form with the chances we create, it's obviously not there.

Can you imagine Torres going 16 games without a goal?

Even Kuyt scores more regularly upfront.

He's played 16 games and has played 90 mins in one game, one game FFS! he had a poor start to the campaign and rafa played him a few games in a row, albeit for 60 mins each time. He then gets himself a goal and is dropped for the next game, which is nothing short of ludicrous IMO, the pattern has been repeated a few times as well. At the moment he gets a game here and there and is hauled of the earliest possible chance. His confidence is in ruins and the manager is doing nothing to help him out.

By the way he has the same amount of goals as Kuyt, who has played about double the amount of minutes and is considered untouchable to the manager

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

GYBS wrote:The thing i see on sunday was kuyt was still getting involved - somethings happened somethings didnt happen but he was still there if not the greatest in attack was offering support to both gerrard and arbeloa and in the end got himself into a great position of which he should of done better - lost the ball a few times but a couple of times got up to win it back again . yeah kuyt hasnt been the greatest since xmas but when keane is poor he has no involvement in the play whatsoever - take the game on monday - the guy was nowhere at all .

that statement is a joke, Kuyt contributes something does he? you need to take the blinkers off. Keane at his worst offers 10 times more than your hero kuyt, who is an embarrestment to the club

I think it's you who needs to remove the blinkers.

Keane has done precisely nothing in 90% of the games he has featured in.

Kuyt, at the very least, moves around and creates space for the fullback to exploit. He also enters the area more than any other player and consistently shows for crosses.
You can't blame him for the fact that the wingers/fullbacks are always looking for someone else. (Whether or not they are justified in this is another matter.)

Kuyt is abysmal and by far the worst regular starter in our team, the blatant favourtism shown to him is a disgrace and has really got me asking questions of Benitez this season, something i have never done before during his reign. Kuyt is a joke of a player, yeah he does the things you mention, but the last time i checked that is not the job of a right sided midfielder. No touch, no skill, no vision, cant pass has minimal strength and pace and cant header. It is so unfair on the other players in the squad that a player who is consistently terrible plays week in week out while others get no chance.

Keane has been poor without question, however he has been completly shafted by the manager who has barely given him a run of games to get going. Everyone knows he is a better player than he has been showing, how about giving him a few games to see what he's got?

Whilst I cannot argue against your opinion, I can point out that this myth of Rafa "not giving him games" has to stop.

He played our first 16 Premiership games. If 16 games isn't enough to find form with the chances we create, it's obviously not there.

Can you imagine Torres going 16 games without a goal?

Even Kuyt scores more regularly upfront.

He's played 16 games and has played 90 mins in one game, one game FFS! he had a poor start to the campaign and rafa played him a few games in a row, albeit for 60 mins each time. He then gets himself a goal and is dropped for the next game, which is nothing short of ludicrous IMO, the pattern has been repeated a few times as well. At the moment he gets a game here and there and is hauled of the earliest possible chance. His confidence is in ruins and the manager is doing nothing to help him out.

By the way he has the same amount of goals as Kuyt, who has played about double the amount of minutes and is considered untouchable to the manager

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

GYBS wrote:The thing i see on sunday was kuyt was still getting involved - somethings happened somethings didnt happen but he was still there if not the greatest in attack was offering support to both gerrard and arbeloa and in the end got himself into a great position of which he should of done better - lost the ball a few times but a couple of times got up to win it back again . yeah kuyt hasnt been the greatest since xmas but when keane is poor he has no involvement in the play whatsoever - take the game on monday - the guy was nowhere at all .

that statement is a joke, Kuyt contributes something does he? you need to take the blinkers off. Keane at his worst offers 10 times more than your hero kuyt, who is an embarrestment to the club

I think it's you who needs to remove the blinkers.

Keane has done precisely nothing in 90% of the games he has featured in.

Kuyt, at the very least, moves around and creates space for the fullback to exploit. He also enters the area more than any other player and consistently shows for crosses.
You can't blame him for the fact that the wingers/fullbacks are always looking for someone else. (Whether or not they are justified in this is another matter.)

Kuyt is abysmal and by far the worst regular starter in our team, the blatant favourtism shown to him is a disgrace and has really got me asking questions of Benitez this season, something i have never done before during his reign. Kuyt is a joke of a player, yeah he does the things you mention, but the last time i checked that is not the job of a right sided midfielder. No touch, no skill, no vision, cant pass has minimal strength and pace and cant header. It is so unfair on the other players in the squad that a player who is consistently terrible plays week in week out while others get no chance.

Keane has been poor without question, however he has been completly shafted by the manager who has barely given him a run of games to get going. Everyone knows he is a better player than he has been showing, how about giving him a few games to see what he's got?

Whilst I cannot argue against your opinion, I can point out that this myth of Rafa "not giving him games" has to stop.

He played our first 16 Premiership games. If 16 games isn't enough to find form with the chances we create, it's obviously not there.

Can you imagine Torres going 16 games without a goal?

Even Kuyt scores more regularly upfront.

He's played 16 games and has played 90 mins in one game, one game FFS! he had a poor start to the campaign and rafa played him a few games in a row, albeit for 60 mins each time. He then gets himself a goal and is dropped for the next game, which is nothing short of ludicrous IMO, the pattern has been repeated a few times as well. At the moment he gets a game here and there and is hauled of the earliest possible chance. His confidence is in ruins and the manager is doing nothing to help him out.

By the way he has the same amount of goals as Kuyt, who has played about double the amount of minutes and is considered untouchable to the manager

And he's played about 1/5 of those games upfront.

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

GYBS wrote:The thing i see on sunday was kuyt was still getting involved - somethings happened somethings didnt happen but he was still there if not the greatest in attack was offering support to both gerrard and arbeloa and in the end got himself into a great position of which he should of done better - lost the ball a few times but a couple of times got up to win it back again . yeah kuyt hasnt been the greatest since xmas but when keane is poor he has no involvement in the play whatsoever - take the game on monday - the guy was nowhere at all .

that statement is a joke, Kuyt contributes something does he? you need to take the blinkers off. Keane at his worst offers 10 times more than your hero kuyt, who is an embarrestment to the club

I think it's you who needs to remove the blinkers.

Keane has done precisely nothing in 90% of the games he has featured in.

Kuyt, at the very least, moves around and creates space for the fullback to exploit. He also enters the area more than any other player and consistently shows for crosses.
You can't blame him for the fact that the wingers/fullbacks are always looking for someone else. (Whether or not they are justified in this is another matter.)

Kuyt is abysmal and by far the worst regular starter in our team, the blatant favourtism shown to him is a disgrace and has really got me asking questions of Benitez this season, something i have never done before during his reign. Kuyt is a joke of a player, yeah he does the things you mention, but the last time i checked that is not the job of a right sided midfielder. No touch, no skill, no vision, cant pass has minimal strength and pace and cant header. It is so unfair on the other players in the squad that a player who is consistently terrible plays week in week out while others get no chance.

Keane has been poor without question, however he has been completly shafted by the manager who has barely given him a run of games to get going. Everyone knows he is a better player than he has been showing, how about giving him a few games to see what he's got?

Whilst I cannot argue against your opinion, I can point out that this myth of Rafa "not giving him games" has to stop.

He played our first 16 Premiership games. If 16 games isn't enough to find form with the chances we create, it's obviously not there.

Can you imagine Torres going 16 games without a goal?

Even Kuyt scores more regularly upfront.

He's played 16 games and has played 90 mins in one game, one game FFS! he had a poor start to the campaign and rafa played him a few games in a row, albeit for 60 mins each time. He then gets himself a goal and is dropped for the next game, which is nothing short of ludicrous IMO, the pattern has been repeated a few times as well. At the moment he gets a game here and there and is hauled of the earliest possible chance. His confidence is in ruins and the manager is doing nothing to help him out.

By the way he has the same amount of goals as Kuyt, who has played about double the amount of minutes and is considered untouchable to the manager

But what had he done to deserve to stay on in all but 3 of those games?

If he's that bothered about keeping his place, he wouldn't push all of Rafa's "Big no-no" buttons.

And if he DID walk out in protest, he has absolutely no place at LFC. That kind of attitude shows no respect to his teammates whatsoever.

No wonder Ramos left Tottenham.

GYBS wrote:change the record - we are discussing keane on this thread you dont have to constantly keep bringing up kuyt .