Liverpool FC Forum

[city4life]

worrying aspect for us here in ireland is how it will effect robbies ability with the national team. no onw wants a striker low on confidence. when robbie joined first i thought great, he'll play with better players, against better opposition in the CL and this will benefit Traps Army

[GYBS]

who fecking cares about what happens on the international stage - sorry mate - club over country every day of the week

[redmikey]

i know what you mean but if people were annoyed cause babel seems to have lost his talent due to albert coming in or because torres is better than him.

for me rafas scout are at fault as much as anyone, we all know that rafa does put alot of trust in the info he getts and it seems to me that he has been let down when dossena,lucas and babel come into mind but the only thing i think is that why wasn't spearing given a chance or darby but then people would be at rafa for not buying time served players with

rafa does make some mad decisions but he has his hand forced in the market and sticks to his guns to long at times but you only have to look at fergiscum to see a manger that gets his own way and it worked out in the end,

we need to sign rafa for the next 5 years and let him make his choices and live and die by them........

[we all dream...]

Couldnt care about internationals, not 1 bit. Id rather Gerrard miss England games so that he was fit for Liverpool. So i definately dont care about the foreigners in out ranks not getting games under their belt to benefit their respective national teams...

[Dundalk]

worrying aspect for us here in ireland is how it will effect robbies ability with the national team. no onw wants a striker low on confidence. when robbie joined first i thought great, he'll play with better players, against better opposition in the CL and this will benefit Traps Army

Im Irish and in the national team he is surrounded by bad players and he always raises his game so I wouldn't have any worry there at all

[Dundalk]

BTW whats with the city4life

Is it Cork City or something?

[Richj]

If you were Keane it would make you sick seeing Kuyt playing every min and playing worse that him just like Crouch must of felt.
Thank god Utd play Rooney over Tevez all the time or they would be a lot more in front.

[Redman in wales]

keane is a grown up man now not some young lad bursting throough - he knows what is required of him and what he needs ot do - if the manager doesnt feel he is doing what is required then keane needs to knuckle down and show him he can produce - wether thats when he starts or comes on as a sub or when he is at training - the last time keane played he was truely awful and i mean one of the worst performances by any player this season . If keane really wants to play for us then go out there and show the manager what you can bring to the team - not go spitting dummy out and throwing toys out of the cot - If you want to be a liverpool player keane then show us and the manager that . Some players thrive on the way rafa treats players ie gerrard - torres etc - in fact gerrard himself has stated how he is driven to get those words from Rafa - "well done" - now thats the sort of attitude towards our manager that we want keane to have .

Keane deserves a fair crack of the whip
Nobody can say hes had that can they?
If anyone was sitting on the bench and watched some of the performances from players in the last two matches (especially Kuyt) wouldnt they be frustrated and annoyed?
He cant even get in the squad now
Is that good management?
Isolating one of your best players
I know he hasnt shown his class yet but thats my point. Give him the same chance as Kuyt and see what happens
If he has spat his dummy out he is wrong and needs to sit down man to man and sort it.
But Rafa cant keep blanking him and then expect a world class performance

the thing is keane was on the pitch during one of those performances and was truely shocking . so why does he deserve to get another shot straight away ? why should he get special treatment when his performances so far for us havent shown he should get any treatment different from anyone else .

things is GYBS, when Kuyt is cr@p for 90 minutes he stays on the pitch. Kuyt will then start the next game, be cr@p and stay on the pitch for 90 minutes again.

Keane has never had that. Keane gets haulled off after 65 minutes.

Its not special treatment if he does it for keane - its how Rafa treats Kuyt anyway.

And it also not just while Kuyts on the right either - when Torres was injured, Rafa would play Kuyt upfront for a full 90 minutes, and he'd still play shi.te but not get subbed and still start the next game

[Richj]

keane is a grown up man now not some young lad bursting throough - he knows what is required of him and what he needs ot do - if the manager doesnt feel he is doing what is required then keane needs to knuckle down and show him he can produce - wether thats when he starts or comes on as a sub or when he is at training - the last time keane played he was truely awful and i mean one of the worst performances by any player this season . If keane really wants to play for us then go out there and show the manager what you can bring to the team - not go spitting dummy out and throwing toys out of the cot - If you want to be a liverpool player keane then show us and the manager that . Some players thrive on the way rafa treats players ie gerrard - torres etc - in fact gerrard himself has stated how he is driven to get those words from Rafa - "well done" - now thats the sort of attitude towards our manager that we want keane to have .

Keane deserves a fair crack of the whip
Nobody can say hes had that can they?
If anyone was sitting on the bench and watched some of the performances from players in the last two matches (especially Kuyt) wouldnt they be frustrated and annoyed?
He cant even get in the squad now
Is that good management?
Isolating one of your best players
I know he hasnt shown his class yet but thats my point. Give him the same chance as Kuyt and see what happens
If he has spat his dummy out he is wrong and needs to sit down man to man and sort it.
But Rafa cant keep blanking him and then expect a world class performance

the thing is keane was on the pitch during one of those performances and was truely shocking . so why does he deserve to get another shot straight away ? why should he get special treatment when his performances so far for us havent shown he should get any treatment different from anyone else .

things is GYBS, when Kuyt is cr@p for 90 minutes he stays on the pitch. Kuyt will then start the next game, be cr@p and stay on the pitch for 90 minutes again.

Keane has never had that. Keane gets haulled off after 65 minutes.

Its not special treatment if he does it for keane - its how Rafa treats Kuyt anyway.

And it also not just while Kuyts on the right either - when Torres was injured, Rafa would play Kuyt upfront for a full 90 minutes, and he'd still play shi.te but not get subbed and still start the next game

So true and Keane is 10 times the player Kuyt is.
Look at Rooney as well, he can go 8 games without scoring and still be in the team every week and no one makes a big thing about him like they have with Keane.

[Fowler_E7]

The thing i see on sunday was kuyt was still getting involved - somethings happened somethings didnt happen but he was still there if not the greatest in attack was offering support to both gerrard and arbeloa and in the end got himself into a great position of which he should of done better - lost the ball a few times but a couple of times got up to win it back again . yeah kuyt hasnt been the greatest since xmas but when keane is poor he has no involvement in the play whatsoever - take the game on monday - the guy was nowhere at all .

that statement is a joke, Kuyt contributes something does he? you need to take the blinkers off. Keane at his worst offers 10 times more than your hero kuyt, who is an embarrestment to the club

[GYBS]

keane is a grown up man now not some young lad bursting throough - he knows what is required of him and what he needs ot do - if the manager doesnt feel he is doing what is required then keane needs to knuckle down and show him he can produce - wether thats when he starts or comes on as a sub or when he is at training - the last time keane played he was truely awful and i mean one of the worst performances by any player this season . If keane really wants to play for us then go out there and show the manager what you can bring to the team - not go spitting dummy out and throwing toys out of the cot - If you want to be a liverpool player keane then show us and the manager that . Some players thrive on the way rafa treats players ie gerrard - torres etc - in fact gerrard himself has stated how he is driven to get those words from Rafa - "well done" - now thats the sort of attitude towards our manager that we want keane to have .

Keane deserves a fair crack of the whip
Nobody can say hes had that can they?
If anyone was sitting on the bench and watched some of the performances from players in the last two matches (especially Kuyt) wouldnt they be frustrated and annoyed?
He cant even get in the squad now
Is that good management?
Isolating one of your best players
I know he hasnt shown his class yet but thats my point. Give him the same chance as Kuyt and see what happens
If he has spat his dummy out he is wrong and needs to sit down man to man and sort it.
But Rafa cant keep blanking him and then expect a world class performance

the thing is keane was on the pitch during one of those performances and was truely shocking . so why does he deserve to get another shot straight away ? why should he get special treatment when his performances so far for us havent shown he should get any treatment different from anyone else .

things is GYBS, when Kuyt is cr@p for 90 minutes he stays on the pitch. Kuyt will then start the next game, be cr@p and stay on the pitch for 90 minutes again.

Keane has never had that. Keane gets haulled off after 65 minutes.

Its not special treatment if he does it for keane - its how Rafa treats Kuyt anyway.

And it also not just while Kuyts on the right either - when Torres was injured, Rafa would play Kuyt upfront for a full 90 minutes, and he'd still play shi.te but not get subbed and still start the next game

cause of kuyt energy levels and the amount of times kuyt has popped up in those last minutes to score a winner or equaliser for us - like earlier in the season we were loosing when eane went off and kut popped up to score a few winners - yes kuyt shouldnt always stay on especially when he is having a mare and the opposition is defending 11 men behind the ball as he wont offer much but if its backs to the wall defending a lead then kuyt should stay on - so yes i agree and disagree . keane i thin is an intelligent player but so far he just hasnt performed for us - even when he was in the team .

[Lando_Griffin]

The thing i see on sunday was kuyt was still getting involved - somethings happened somethings didnt happen but he was still there if not the greatest in attack was offering support to both gerrard and arbeloa and in the end got himself into a great position of which he should of done better - lost the ball a few times but a couple of times got up to win it back again . yeah kuyt hasnt been the greatest since xmas but when keane is poor he has no involvement in the play whatsoever - take the game on monday - the guy was nowhere at all .

that statement is a joke, Kuyt contributes something does he? you need to take the blinkers off. Keane at his worst offers 10 times more than your hero kuyt, who is an embarrestment to the club

I think it's you who needs to remove the blinkers.

Keane has done precisely nothing in 90% of the games he has featured in.

Kuyt, at the very least, moves around and creates space for the fullback to exploit. He also enters the area more than any other player and consistently shows for crosses.
You can't blame him for the fact that the wingers/fullbacks are always looking for someone else. (Whether or not they are justified in this is another matter.)

[GYBS]

The thing i see on sunday was kuyt was still getting involved - somethings happened somethings didnt happen but he was still there if not the greatest in attack was offering support to both gerrard and arbeloa and in the end got himself into a great position of which he should of done better - lost the ball a few times but a couple of times got up to win it back again . yeah kuyt hasnt been the greatest since xmas but when keane is poor he has no involvement in the play whatsoever - take the game on monday - the guy was nowhere at all .

that statement is a joke, Kuyt contributes something does he? you need to take the blinkers off. Keane at his worst offers 10 times more than your hero kuyt, who is an embarrestment to the club

so far today the debate and posting has been quite civil without the need for name calling or insults been thrown around - it would be nice if it was kept that way .

[GYBS]

and welcome back lando

[Fowler_E7]

The thing i see on sunday was kuyt was still getting involved - somethings happened somethings didnt happen but he was still there if not the greatest in attack was offering support to both gerrard and arbeloa and in the end got himself into a great position of which he should of done better - lost the ball a few times but a couple of times got up to win it back again . yeah kuyt hasnt been the greatest since xmas but when keane is poor he has no involvement in the play whatsoever - take the game on monday - the guy was nowhere at all .

that statement is a joke, Kuyt contributes something does he? you need to take the blinkers off. Keane at his worst offers 10 times more than your hero kuyt, who is an embarrestment to the club

I think it's you who needs to remove the blinkers.

Keane has done precisely nothing in 90% of the games he has featured in.

Kuyt, at the very least, moves around and creates space for the fullback to exploit. He also enters the area more than any other player and consistently shows for crosses.
You can't blame him for the fact that the wingers/fullbacks are always looking for someone else. (Whether or not they are justified in this is another matter.)

Kuyt is abysmal and by far the worst regular starter in our team, the blatant favourtism shown to him is a disgrace and has really got me asking questions of Benitez this season, something i have never done before during his reign. Kuyt is a joke of a player, yeah he does the things you mention, but the last time i checked that is not the job of a right sided midfielder. No touch, no skill, no vision, cant pass has minimal strength and pace and cant header. It is so unfair on the other players in the squad that a player who is consistently terrible plays week in week out while others get no chance.

Keane has been poor without question, however he has been completly shafted by the manager who has barely given him a run of games to get going. Everyone knows he is a better player than he has been showing, how about giving him a few games to see what he's got?