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by **tubby** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:26 pm

Let's see how he fairs against Wigan next week and then Chelsea.

by **Rush Job** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:36 pm

alanricouk wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
The_Rock wrote:Got this from rawk.....

A few pointers for our genius manager.

A/ stop bring every fugger back for a corner, it doesnt work, only creates confusion and we have no one upfront.

B/ For your supposed genius we could at least expect for you to not get outdone at a corner twice by the same player. Either the players arnt professional enough to do their job or the situation wasnt discussed and sorted in training in the week.

C/ Before you start fugging off the likes of Keane take a look at a certain Dirk Kuyt and stop being a stubborn hypocritical get. A player who cant score, does sweet FA except run, cant control a ball or shoot cant be expected to be treated differently to a player thats also struggled but hasnt had fair treatment.

D/ I suggest that at season end you, if still here, go out and fugging buy creativity not hard fugging workers because we cant break no sodding team down at Anfield, and its because of your teams mentality and structure.

That is all.

RAWK is full of sh*ithawks that do nothing but whinge and then steadily get put in their place simply because their opinion is outnumbered by about 3/1.

They are all valid points.

No there not, Rafa cant defend the corner his self, nether is it his (sole) responsibility to drill the players on how to do so.
We always go though a little patch every season where we let a few in from corners but is normally sorted quite quick which is why the vast majority of support have faith at least in the way we defend.
Is it just me or do we seem to let one in from a corner when a change in CB is made?

by **Madmax** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:36 pm

Well considering our away form is MUCH better than our home form i could see us beating the bitters on thier own turf. We play them i think a week on wednesday 4th feb.. We have got wigan next and after chelsea. After a few days another intense game with the bitters and then give another few days and there comes pompy. Dont know how rafa will rotate in these matches. Tough times ahead folks. Just hope torres start banging in the goals which im certain he will.

by **bigmick** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:52 pm

I haven't seen any of the game but it isn't going to stop me having a couple of opinions

.

Firstly, once again thank God for Steven Gerrard. For all our options, possibilities, styling, details, rebuilding, controlling the game, zonal marking and all that stuff, the fact that we have Gerrard in our team makes such a huge difference. What a footballer.

Secondly, feck the draw it was about the worst possible result for us. Kick me in the b0ll0cks if you like, but I'd rather have lost the game than drawn it.

Thirdly, disappointing to have conceded from a set piece again. I've no doubt Andy Gray will be on about zonal marking again for a few months off the back of it. I agree with what someone else that that constantly changing the centre backs probably doesn't help. We have though defended with remarkable solidity in the past despite styling the defensive personel, so it may not be as big a factor as some of us might have thought.

Fourthly, I'm concerned by some people's opinions that Torres wasn't his usual self. Given the fact that we haven't got a single other viable option (regardless of who's fault that is) we really do need Torres to find his best form and quickly.

Fifthly, by the sounds of it neither Babel nor Kuyt did too well. That's even more disappointing in a 4-5-1, as a wide midfielder cannot hope for a more forgiving formation. Unfortunately, Babel looks increasingly like he isn't going to ever make a left midfielder. Some might say that's not surprising when you look at how he actually plays, but it's looking like we can just about take it as a given anyway. Kuyt may have dipped in form slightly, but I'd be surprised if by much TBH. In his case, we need him to rediscover what form he had because we haven't got anybody else.

Sixthly, Having given up on him, I'm very encouraged that Dossena put in a performance. Hopefully he continues and I can start getting the humble pie in the oven. Well done to him.

Seventhly, I think we can now take it as red that we are officially in the middle of a bliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip. We desperately need to find something, some inspiration from somewhere. Not for the first time our bliiiiiiiiiiip is maddeningly long, and this is where the manager ought to be coming into his own and dragging us out of it. We really need to do so soon, two more average results in the league against Wigan and Chelsea for instance (say draw one lose one) and I think we'd be gone for all money.

by **tubby** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:56 pm

I wouldn't get too excited with Dossena just yet. Ill judge him more after the Wigan and Chelsea games.

Mick you forgot

Eighthly - Where the :censored:

was Robbie Keane.

by **Effes** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:13 pm

bigmick wrote:Secondly, feck the draw it was about the worst possible result for us. Kick me in the b0ll0cks if you like, but I'd rather have lost the game than drawn it.

Mick - this isn't an OOT thing but you wouldn't say that if you lived here.
Losing to those mongrels is NEVER an option.

Even after the draw in the league - they give you this horrible big grin
that says "Aghhh! Robbed 2 points off yer!"

They are horrible - again, losing to them anytime is not an option.

by **The_Rock** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:15 pm

If u notice how many players ever$hit were missing....

1)Arteta
2)Fellini
3)Yakubu
4)Saha

this isn't a good result.... Something is wrong with the team. Yeah we have loads of possession...but did we really make it hard for the ever$hit team ? We have less than 1 week to go... We need a specialist RW (at least someone like riera but with pace). Just can't bare to see Kuyt on the right again....huffing and puffing with no end product...

by **bigmick** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:17 pm

Fair enuff Eff and I've never pretended that OOTer's feel the derby, or indeed any other game with the same intensity as locals, they don't IMHO. It hurts me when we perform bad, or lose but it would be silly for me to claim I feel it as bad as a Leon or a Ciggy so I'd never so that.

So kick me in the b0ll0cks all you like mate

, and I totally understand and agree with your point, but I really want us to win the league

.

by **tubby** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:26 pm

Maybe whatever is going on behind the scenes with Keane is having a bad effect in the changing room.

by **Liverpool442** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:35 pm

We were like a poor mans Arsenal today, all the possesion in the world counts for nothing if you don't shoot !!!
Rafa is obsessed with the all the small details like the ground covered by players, wingers tracking back and strikers dropping into midfield but all this achieves is squeezing any ounce of creativity out of our squad, I mean I could seriously imagine him pulling Torres to one side afterwards telling him well done for the pass to Gerrard but in future he should play the percentages and hold the ball up. We are so defensive it is becoming pathetic all we are doing is grinding our season to a halt whilst United steam roller through in the later stages, IMO Rafa need to grow some balls and play some attacking football and at least make some effort to entertain, because all that is going to happen this way, is to continue to drop points in the league and fail to kill teams off in the cup:angry:
And as for the Keane situation that is a total joke, top and bottom of it is he is suffering for Rafas poor man management, he has had some poor games but so what ? plenty of world class players struggled when the first came to Liverpool, going on to be Legends. He is a striker who need to play in a partnership and has not been allowed to do this since joining us, something which is unexplainable for someone like Rafa who looks at the fine detail of everything.
I am a Rafa fan believe it or not however my patience is running out and Rafa is beginning to look and act like Houlieer before he went.

by **heimdall** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:40 pm

We aren't good enough, I don't really know why but we just aren't a good team at the moment. I'm not going to point fingers becuase I honestly don't have anyone to point thme at. The team that was put out my Rafa was a good team and at home should have beaten Everton but apart from Gerrard and surprisingly Dossena no one really turned up for the game today.

If we don't snap out of this, and bloody quick, we will very soon be down to 5th in the league, it's around this time an inspirational team talk from a fired up manager would help..............so basically we are in the sh1t! :sniffle

by **heimdall** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:41 pm

We aren't good enough, I don't really know why but we just aren't a good team at the moment. I'm not going to point fingers becuase I honestly don't have anyone to point thme at. The team that was put out my Rafa was a good team and at home should have beaten Everton but apart from Gerrard and surprisingly Dossena no one really turned up for the game today.

If we don't snap out of this, and bloody quick, we will very soon be down to 5th in the league, it's around this time an inspirational team talk from a fired up manager would help..............so basically we are in the sh1t! :sniffle

by **Pablo** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:48 pm

Zidane wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:
Zidane wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:
Zidane wrote:Sigh, we need better players.

According to Mourinho we dont.

Home, whoops

According to Mourinho we should have won/challenged for a title already so what does that matter? We need better players imo.

Wasn't sure if you were one of the people saying WE NEED MOURINHO, HE WILL BUY GOOD PLAYERS. When in fact he is someone who thinks we can make do with what we have.

I honestly didn't follow Mourinho's coaching style enough to say we need him I don't know what he would bring really. He won the league with a better team than ours I know that much but it doesn't mean he could win us one with what we have at our disposal.

Aside from that.. you can't criticize Rafa for the team today it's one that SHOULD have won. What you can criticize him for is the tactics we constantly display in the attacking third of the pitch, I don't really know what we aim for sometimes down there. We're probably the best on the counter and sometimes when we have possession it almost feels hopeless, I'd rather not control a game so much and have chances than have 70% of possession and do nothing. This is probably why we're better against stronger opposition.

Rafa has to come up with something better than what we constantly display on the attack and if you don't think it comes down to tactics and it is the players then you prove my thinking when I say we need better players. Some of you put it on people just not being arsed into giving it their all but the truth is most of the time these guys ARE giving it their all. They just aren't good enough, that's all.

What about winning the Champions league with Porto wasn't that a weaker side than Liverpool's?

by **Kash_Mountain** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:51 pm

bavlondon wrote:Maybe whatever is going on behind the scenes with Keane is having a bad effect in the changing room.

Probably but also the bickering going on between Rafa, Parry and H&G as well. I know they say it doesn't affect them but is certainly looks like it is.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:53 pm

I thought it was a much improved performance on last week. We didn't create much (anything apart from Gerrard's goal), but we won the midfield battle....... something we lost last week.

The sad fact is Babel and Kuyt just don't offer enough consistantly going forward. There is no thought , no creativity, no real threat from either player. Babel gets the ball and either runs into trouble or gets boxed in and then passes back or loses possession...... if we are very lucky he hits it hard and it deflects for a corner.

Meanwhile on the opposite flank, Kuyt is working hard, slowing down OUR attacks, breaking up OUR play, and when he does get a chance closing his eyes and hitting the ball hard, straight at their goalkeeper.

We need more creativity when the other team defend in depth and with Babel and Kuyt out wide we looked like a team that had run out of ideas about 10 minutes into the game.

BTW Keane is not the answer.

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