Fo Dne wrote:Rush Job wrote:Stu to be fare theres not one of these players you say couldnt play sunday league that we couldnt sell to another prem side.
Why are you so quick to completely right off young players in such harsh ways? We have a few now that might well not make it with us, thats par for the coarse but to claim (and you do quite a bit) that they shouldn't be in the game at any level is nonsense, for a start they all play for their respective countrys at various age levels and some have already played full internationals so its hardly as if they dont have a future in the game, wether its with us is another matter but I think (not you) some dont fully appreciate how hard it is to bring though youngsters when every game is a must win and fans want instant super stars rather than a player still learning how to play at the highest level in the best league.
Maybe not mate and that shows the problems within the game at this level these days and the lack of knowledge in the sport.
People don't clearly understand and understand the game clearly. The facts are, if you take a very good Sunday or Saturday league player and played him in a professional match in the premier league, baring fitness (assuming thats not a strong point) they wouldn't completely embarress themselves. I'm not saying here they'd stand out or look good but the chances are if they have a good game they'll more than likely just look like a run of the mill player. Its the same with premier league players, if you put them on a Sunday league pitch. They don't all of a sudden become the best dribblers, passers and everything else on the pitch. They still play the same way and do the same things and have the same Ideas. IE Alonso wouldn't all of a sudden become really fast and a great dribbler who'll beat twenty men on his own and smash on in from the edge of the box. His strengths and weaknesses will still be the same.
The reason I "write off young players" that are not good enough is exactly that. They aren't good enough.
So whats the point in keeping them? Or even more so whats the point in signing them?
Come 15, 16 you can see whether they are good enough in technical and some tactical aspects, obviously physically it can sometimes take till about 20 years old and mentallity can sometimes mature into the early twenties but in general they are already pretty much set as a player.
If at 15, 16, 17, you can't do the basics you'll never be able to. Simple as that. A player who can't shoot from 20 yards at 16 will never be able to hit a ball like Steven Gerrard.
Rafa finds
and seems to think he can make them into diamonds just because they are big and black. I'm sorry, but not every big black player who's physically good will become Vieira or Henry. This stupid obsession that managers have with it is becoming quite annoying.
The two that reallyb
me off.... is £14,000,000 spent on Lucas and Dossena, plus massive wages and signing on fees. The £4,000,000 recouped for Guthrie and Warnock who are both far far far better players. How our manager can't see this is beyond me.
Sissoko being an example of you can't turn something into something they aren't... how many times was I told when he learns to pass he'll be world class and I was judging him to quickly and I was clueless for saying it? Nearly everyone said that to me, yet look now, he's been sold. Alright, he's doing well at Juventus, but he's still not a world class player and still has the same weaknesses.
Again with Baros, I said after the Euro's to cash in, everyone slaughtered me saying how when he learns to get his head up he'll be world class. Did he ever learn? No, do you think these players don't know there weaknesses and try and correct them? Do you think the best coaches in the game don't know them and don't try and help them correct them? You're mistaken if you think that. I never saw anything from Baros in that championship I hadn't seen in a red shirt apart from consistency in form and confidence, he didn't show any extra ability. He didn't start doing all these wonderful turns, become a better finisher and become a faster runner.
I'm not one for excuses. Obviously poor form can effect players, but poor form is that, its not a lack of ability. Great players off form always show something. Keane the other night for example played two sublime through balls despite lacking in confidence they shown his vision and technique.
I don't buy the excuse either that when a player moves abroad they need six months to adapt to the extent some people take it. Granted the systems are different and tactical play but to sit there and say these players lose ability in that period is just wrong. How can a player forget to control a ball just because he's moved to another country or because he can't speak the language? It was like with Kuyt the other year, he can't control a ball because his dad died... Please... I'm really sorry to hear his dad died, but don't
tell me that effects his ability to trap a football. Maybe it might effect his concentration once in a while, but not for 90 minutes and doing the same stupid
things.
It winds me up big time. Spearings better than Lucas, Darby's better than Degen and half of Liverpool is better than Ngog.
Then theres Warnock and Guthrie...
) and he had a touch and control to die for. His vision, passing and touch were absoloutely unbelievable. He could also beat players for fun using strength and positioning of his body, he was like Arteta in alot of ways. He had 7 or 8 major weaknesses though. He often held onto the ball far to long and in daft areas, he also wasn't the quickest, fairly average paced, he was fairly hot headed, lazy, lacked agility and fitness. By all means though, he was exceptional in some areas and often stood out like a sore thumb. Occassionally in games he'd win them single handedly, he wouldn't get caught on the ball and he'd get most things right.
Hes our anthonys mates brother, Rafa has told him he will start training with the first team. 
