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by **aCe'** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:53 am

Bam wrote:
Rush Job wrote:
Bam wrote:.

If an offer of 5-6 million came in for him I'd take it personally, but in saying that I'd be looking to sell Pennant, Lucas, Aurelio and Voronin more eagerly I must admit.

Sell Aurelio (our best left back) and leave Dossena? Explain how that would be wise?

Can I be bothered ?

Suffice to say if he is our "best" then we'll need a new LB in January.

Aurelio has had time here to prove himself and he hasnt, not in my book. So what if he's been unlucky with injuries, Harry Kewell had injuries to and that didnt stop certain people wanting rid of him (me included) and when fit he was a damn sight more useful than Aurelio.

When Aurelio has played, he has looked from awful to average. At Eastlands he a poor game and looked a liability, and he has done in many of the matches he's played for us. He looks nervous and plays like a rabbit caught in a set of head lights. Most teams RM's this season have ripped him a new @rsehole, his defending is poor and as I said he is a liability.

Considering were able to give players like Alonso and Kuyt time to find their form. I think its only fair to say the same for Dossena. Again he has looked rather shakey at the back, but not as bad as Aurelio and his missplaced passes. I reckon given time though Dossena would be the better fullback of the two. He's definately better going forward, he's quicker and stronger and given time he'll prove he's better defensively.

I'd sell the injury prone freebie, and look to make a little profit from him. Lets be honest here, we wont get seven million back for Dossena at the moment. So business and footballing wise it would be better to sell Aurelio and we couldnt do much worse in bringing Insua into the first team. Until at least Dossena finds his feet or we get a quality LB.

Aurelio hasnt been that bad... hes been average but then again so have most of our players this season...
Dossena fits ur description of Aurelio more than Aurelio does imo and hes the one we should be getting rid of in the summer not Aurelio.. Aurelio has more ability on the all...better crossing, better positioning, better passing and surely a way better first touch... Dossena has been a major dissapointment and the fact that hes cost 7 mill or so and is still benched when fit says it all about his performances so far.. i doubt he'll improve as much as u seem to believe he will, hell i doubt he'll improve at all ! his limitations as a player are obvious to many (Rafa included) and i think the only reason e gets a game every now and then is because Rafa seems to want to get the most of his 7mill leftback or so before finally conceeding to the fact that hes simply...a sht player and a big mistake !

by **Bam** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:12 am

aCe' wrote:
Bam wrote:
Rush Job wrote:
Bam wrote:.

If an offer of 5-6 million came in for him I'd take it personally, but in saying that I'd be looking to sell Pennant, Lucas, Aurelio and Voronin more eagerly I must admit.

Sell Aurelio (our best left back) and leave Dossena? Explain how that would be wise?

Can I be bothered ?

Suffice to say if he is our "best" then we'll need a new LB in January.

Aurelio has had time here to prove himself and he hasnt, not in my book. So what if he's been unlucky with injuries, Harry Kewell had injuries to and that didnt stop certain people wanting rid of him (me included) and when fit he was a damn sight more useful than Aurelio.

When Aurelio has played, he has looked from awful to average. At Eastlands he a poor game and looked a liability, and he has done in many of the matches he's played for us. He looks nervous and plays like a rabbit caught in a set of head lights. Most teams RM's this season have ripped him a new @rsehole, his defending is poor and as I said he is a liability.

Considering were able to give players like Alonso and Kuyt time to find their form. I think its only fair to say the same for Dossena. Again he has looked rather shakey at the back, but not as bad as Aurelio and his missplaced passes. I reckon given time though Dossena would be the better fullback of the two. He's definately better going forward, he's quicker and stronger and given time he'll prove he's better defensively.

I'd sell the injury prone freebie, and look to make a little profit from him. Lets be honest here, we wont get seven million back for Dossena at the moment. So business and footballing wise it would be better to sell Aurelio and we couldnt do much worse in bringing Insua into the first team. Until at least Dossena finds his feet or we get a quality LB.

Aurelio hasnt been that bad... hes been average but then again so have most of our players this season...
Dossena fits ur description of Aurelio more than Aurelio does imo and hes the one we should be getting rid of in the summer not Aurelio.. Aurelio has more ability on the all...better crossing, better positioning, better passing and surely a way better first touch... Dossena has been a major dissapointment and the fact that hes cost 7 mill or so and is still benched when fit says it all about his performances so far.. i doubt he'll improve as much as u seem to believe he will, hell i doubt he'll improve at all ! his limitations as a player are obvious to many (Rafa included) and i think the only reason e gets a game every now and then is because Rafa seems to want to get the most of his 7mill leftback or so before finally conceeding to the fact that hes simply...a sht player and a big mistake !

What like Cassano :laugh:

Thanks for your input, but I prefer my own judgement on players. Everybody keeps harping on about how good Aurelio is compared to Dossena. Obviously I'm missing something, like I missed something when everybody was saying how great Lucas first was when he started.

The only thing your probably right on is the fact that Rafa will probably sell him before Aurelio. Lets not forget though the reason Rafa brought him from Italy. Dossena had a brilliant season at Udinese, I know one swallow doesnt make a summer but still had something. And playing as a defender in Italy is alot different to playing as one in England. He needs the chance at least to settle, like I said we all waited for Alonso to regain form, Kuyt too.

Aurelio was at fault for Citehs second goal with some very sloppy play. I'd even go so far as to say even with Citehs second goal he was partially at fault, backing off from SWP then eventually just sticking a pathetic leg out as SWP ghosted past him with ease for Riera to bring him down while tracking back. He's been at fault for a few things this season, he is the liability at the back imo, end of.

Anyway lets not get off topic about Yossi.

by **Owzat** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:20 am

john craig wrote:Personally I don't see why people have a problem with him. I still think he's a good player. A bit lightweight maybe, and certainly not top class, but a very useful player to have in the squad or on the bench imo. He has shown he can pop up with goals and had a decent return last season (double figures I think) despite not always being first choice, and perhaps more importantly has shown that he can come on and change a game (his dribble and pass to set up Torres' equaliser against Chelsea in the CL semi was excellent).

He did score double figures last season, however that's not really a fair reflection of his contribution when you consider that included two hat-tricks - one against non-league Havant & Waterlooville, the other against a Besiktas side we stuffed 8-0. EDIT : He's played 15 times this season and hasn't scored, goals are definitely not the right angle to approach from. His rate is now down to one goal every 5.64 games

He is a player who we fit into roles rather than play in his best position. He doesn't seem keen to play wide, he doesn't get many starts and overall he can come on and make a difference but more often does FA but frustrate. Like S@int said, it's not anticipation whether he's in the team or not, it's disappointment (for him and others), more a venture into the unknown for me. I certainly don't think "oh good, Benayoun's in the side", more like "I wonder if we'll get influential Benayoun or f in useless Benayoun".

So all in all he's not the worst player to have in the squad, but maybe not too much better than Pennant. We could sell him in January, but I'm not convinced we'll get too many offering what we paid for him or more, those who would be interested would likely offer less. I've said before, if we want lots of money then Mascherano is worth a lot and I think we could cope without him (8 wins in 10 games without him this season) Otherwise, if we're selling Benayoun, Aurelio, Pennant and those kind of players, then we would have to sell three or four to buy a good player of £10m+. Failing that we're taking more chances on lower value players who may prove no better or worse than what we sold to fund their purchase.

If I was Rafa then I'd use the above argument to go to the bosses, offer them the option of selling Mascherano or them freeing up £10m+ of CL cash. Who would we buy? Well we need players in as many different positions as we're talking about selling - LB, CF and a creative midfielder would do for starters. How we're going to buy that lot out of selling the players getting mentioned, and improve the team/squad, is a mystery. I'm not sure Pennant and some of the others will want to leave, good wages and as big a club as many will ever play for.

by **crazyhorse** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:15 am

Benny has done nothing wrong and does not deserve the comments. He is a very good player, often played out of position and he runs his balls off when he is on the pitch.

Technically he has a lot to offer and he has a good footballing brain on him. He was a good buy and remains very useful to us, but I think he should be played through the middle more often.. he does not have the pace or crossing ability to be a right winger.

Aurelio - Keep him. Great left foot and personally I think he is not a bad left back. Defensively he needs to learn to tackle, but he can deliver a good cross and is a good option from dead balls.

by **tonyeh** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:28 am

Nothing that wrong with him, other than the fact that he brings very little to the current Liverpool team and he's just very ordinary. He has no place at Liverpool. He should be sold while they can get a few quid for him and it'll be good for Yossi too, as I'm sure he knows that while he stays at Liverpool, he'll only ever be filler and not a regular.

by **Sabre** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:43 am

I cannot disagreewhat John Craig says about Benayoun.

IMHO the problem with Benayoun, and many others, is that nobody sees them as regular starters: at the begin of the season almost nobody included Yossi in their ideal team. Since people always want to see the strongest eleven, some "satellite" players like Benayoun have received extra stick.

This season he's been solid and lively more often than not and the last game is a good example of this.

While agree there have been less rotation this season, when the rotated players have entered the team, like Yossi, Mascherano or Aurelio against WBA they have played really well.

by **DanAn** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:16 pm

I just think we have too many squad players who are not going to improve and are holding back the development of our youth. It's not that he isn't a good player, it that at 29 he's not going to improve and isn't good enough for a starting position. If it were up to me I would sell Pennant, Benayoun and one of Dossena or Aurelio. With the money raised we could buy a class RW and it would mean the little game time left could be used developing Insua, El Zhar, Pacheco and N'Gog in cup games. We have spent a fortune getting and developing all these kids, why not use them?

by **Red H** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:48 pm

I've got no problem with him.

We need squad players, and that's what he is.

If the right offer came in for him I'd have no issues with him moving on, and I would say that for all but about 3 or 4 players in the club.

Rafa is not exactly sentimental with it comes to this, so he must be doing something he likes.

by **devaney** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:47 pm

My problem with Yossi is FRUSTRATION !! He does something really good and then either gives the ball away or simply messes up. He tries hard and 11 goals from 58 games last season isn't bad at all. Certainly offers a lot more than many others i could mention.

As for Aurelio or Dossena? I'd go with Aurelio against the poorer teams because he is suspect as a defender but offers more going forward. Dossena just isn't fit enough for the prem and I think that is one of the key problems - he has never really impressed me - rather have Risse and save £3m !!

by **Judge** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:59 pm

The_Rock wrote:Don't think Benitez will sell benayoun...he gives Beneitez loads of OPTIONS (and as we all know..."OPTIONS" is beneitez's fav word).

I also think Benayoun is a very good player...He is playing out of position most of the times for us (as his best position is support striker).IMO...i think benayoun is pretty similar to luca modric (SP ?). A very intelligent player who suffers when he is put on the flanks.

But we do have too many players on our books now.... so wouldn't mind getting rid of him...if he helps finance a move for a top player.

But i would get rid of Pennant, Babel and Kuyt 1st before benayoun.... Benayoun could easily do a similar job ..and cost less than each of them.

i remember what rafa said when we had crouch when discussing options

rafa said - he is tall

by **devaney** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:06 pm

Judge wrote:
The_Rock wrote:Don't think Benitez will sell benayoun...he gives Beneitez loads of OPTIONS (and as we all know..."OPTIONS" is beneitez's fav word).

I also think Benayoun is a very good player...He is playing out of position most of the times for us (as his best position is support striker).IMO...i think benayoun is pretty similar to luca modric (SP ?). A very intelligent player who suffers when he is put on the flanks.

But we do have too many players on our books now.... so wouldn't mind getting rid of him...if he helps finance a move for a top player.

But i would get rid of Pennant, Babel and Kuyt 1st before benayoun.... Benayoun could easily do a similar job ..and cost less than each of them.

i remember what rafa said when we had crouch when discussing options

rafa said - he is tall

You'd get rid of Kuyt before Benayoun. I guess that's why the one thing we have in life that nobody can take away is an opinion!

by **burjennio** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:00 pm

saturday was his best game this season, he had a decent 1st year but has not carried over that form and consistently his decisions when in possession are disappointing. Have you ever noticed how many times he feints inside then back outside again? Its right up there with the Ronaldo stepover as the most overused trick in football. I rated him very highly at West Ham and was pleased when we signed him but ATM he should not be a regular starter and if pushed I would sell him and concentrate on strengthening other areas of the pitch (ie fullback or more width)

by **neil** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:15 pm

yeah he's cr4p, sell him along with lucas and that labrador

by **roberto green** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:06 am

Benayoun can go to button moon for all i care to follow mr spoon button moon button moon:D

by **Rush Job** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:49 am

Start him agaist spurs, in behind Torres and I`m sure we`ll see the best of him.

When I say "sure"....

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