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ruskiy playmaker wrote:

Paul C wrote:

ruskiy playmaker wrote:^  What the hell's so funny Dne?  He scored 10 goals for us last season and he wasn't even a regular.  Babel may not be a great header of the ball like Ronaldo, but he's on the same level when it comes to dribbling and finishing.

Are you having a laugh, the lad is when it comes to goin past someone, even the right back for Havent & Waterlooville last season had Babel in his back pocket!! he loses the ball far too easily and his passin is as bad as Traore's was, the fact of the matter is we paid £11m for him and even though he is young his fundamentals are lacking and if he doesnt start to improve then I think he'll be sold next season, problem being is that we'd lose a lot of money on him, if someone made a bit of £8m then I think Rafa would get rid!

He should stick to dodgy rap videos 

Damn, am I the only one that has seen vast improvement in Babel's game this season?  I watched him rip Manure and Mairselle defenders new , but yet you say that he can't beat defenders?  I think that I'll just quit posting in this thread because some posters clearly have something against this guy.

He done ok against United, so what?

What about every other game this season where he's been absoloutely awful. Especially Crewe the other week... where he played in his "supposedly favoured position". As for ripping Marseille a new , you've got to be joking lad. His contribution to the game was very minimal.

The lads not good enough, never will be good enough, never has been good enough and isn't a striker either. He won't improve either, players hardly improve at all, once they reach 16-19(very rarely you get an exception physically like Gerrard), he's nothing more than an impact player off the bench who can occassionally help change the pattern of a game.

He's also nowhere near the same class of player as Luis Garcia who had a brain and flair and could score important goals on a regular basis against anyone.

ruskiy playmaker wrote:^  What the hell's so funny Dne?  He scored 10 goals for us last season and he wasn't even a regular.  Babel may not be a great header of the ball like Ronaldo, but he's on the same level when it comes to dribbling and finishing.

This board is getting worse by the day.

Babel's as good a dribbler or ball carrier than Christiano Ronaldo. What a joke of a comment that is. Absoloutely clueless.

How you can even say that as a joke is beyond me.

Fo Dne wrote:

ruskiy playmaker wrote:

Paul C wrote:

ruskiy playmaker wrote:^  What the hell's so funny Dne?  He scored 10 goals for us last season and he wasn't even a regular.  Babel may not be a great header of the ball like Ronaldo, but he's on the same level when it comes to dribbling and finishing.

Are you having a laugh, the lad is when it comes to goin past someone, even the right back for Havent & Waterlooville last season had Babel in his back pocket!! he loses the ball far too easily and his passin is as bad as Traore's was, the fact of the matter is we paid £11m for him and even though he is young his fundamentals are lacking and if he doesnt start to improve then I think he'll be sold next season, problem being is that we'd lose a lot of money on him, if someone made a bit of £8m then I think Rafa would get rid!

He should stick to dodgy rap videos 

Damn, am I the only one that has seen vast improvement in Babel's game this season?  I watched him rip Manure and Mairselle defenders new , but yet you say that he can't beat defenders?  I think that I'll just quit posting in this thread because some posters clearly have something against this guy.

He done ok against United, so what?

What about every other game this season where he's been absoloutely awful. Especially Crewe the other week... where he played in his "supposedly favoured position". As for ripping Marseille a new , you've got to be joking lad. His contribution to the game was very minimal.

The lads not good enough, never will be good enough, never has been good enough and isn't a striker either. He won't improve either, players hardly improve at all, once they reach 16-19(very rarely you get an exception physically like Gerrard), he's nothing more than an impact player off the bench who can occassionally help change the pattern of a game.

He's also nowhere near the same class of player as Luis Garcia who had a brain and flair and could score important goals on a regular basis against anyone.

ruskiy playmaker wrote:

Paul C wrote:

ruskiy playmaker wrote:^  What the hell's so funny Dne?  He scored 10 goals for us last season and he wasn't even a regular.  Babel may not be a great header of the ball like Ronaldo, but he's on the same level when it comes to dribbling and finishing.

Are you having a laugh, the lad is when it comes to goin past someone, even the right back for Havent & Waterlooville last season had Babel in his back pocket!! he loses the ball far too easily and his passin is as bad as Traore's was, the fact of the matter is we paid £11m for him and even though he is young his fundamentals are lacking and if he doesnt start to improve then I think he'll be sold next season, problem being is that we'd lose a lot of money on him, if someone made a bit of £8m then I think Rafa would get rid!

He should stick to dodgy rap videos 

Damn, am I the only one that has seen vast improvement in Babel's game this season?  I watched him rip Manure and Mairselle defenders new , but yet you say that he can't beat defenders?  I think that I'll just quit posting in this thread because some posters clearly have something against this guy.

No I agree read back 10 odd pages you see I feel the same he will be a top player mark my words and you people who don't think so can eat your hats for all care. 

ruskiy playmaker wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

ruskiy playmaker wrote:

bavlondon wrote:I think Babel is not top quality but he is in the right place at the right time so gets goals.

That's exactly how I would describe C. Ronaldo.

I think that maybe going a bit too far. Ok I know he is Utd ect but come of it if Babel was scoring 30+ goals a season we wouldnt even be having this conversation.

I really think that Babel could be our Ronaldo.  Maybe he would not be on the same level but like you stated he does tend to be in the right place at the right time and that's a rare skill.  I'm sure that Babel would score 20+ goals a season for us, if he was given regular football and a free role in our team.

ruskiy playmaker wrote:^  What the hell's so funny Dne?  He scored 10 goals for us last season and he wasn't even a regular.  Babel may not be a great header of the ball like Ronaldo, but he's on the same level when it comes to dribbling and finishing.

Fo Dne wrote:He won't improve either, players hardly improve at all, once they reach 16-19(very rarely you get an exception physically like Gerrard).

Putting aside your opinion of Babel for the moment.
Where are your facts to support this particular statement or is it just an idea you plucked out of the air ?

Lets have a look at the last ten winners of the European Footballer of the Year and their age when they won the award.

Kaka aged 25
Cannevaro aged 33
Ronaldinho aged 25
Shevchenko aged 28
Nedved aged 31
Ronaldo aged 26
Owen aged 22
Figo aged 28
Rivaldo aged 27
Zidane aged 26

Funnily enough I don't see one winner between the age of 16-19. Are you seriously suggesting that all of the above reached their best when in their teens and hardly improved at all once they passed the age of 19 ?

Christ Stu, at times you do spout some tripe, and you still have the nerve to say "This board is getting worse by the day".

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bavlondon wrote:Those are former European footballers of the year so as they are special things always work differently with them. Babel will never be that good.

heimdall wrote:I'd be interested to know if the people who are slagging off Babel support Kuyt, in my opinion Babel is a good player and one which will only get better whereas Kuyt despite a good game on Saturday is unlikely to improve and is at best a decent squad player. A lot of football is about game intelligence and that comes from experience which most 19 years olds don't have too much of. In my opinion it is this expereience which is sometimes lacking for Babel but I see a lot of improvement so far this season.

jonny. wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:

ruskiy playmaker wrote:

Paul C wrote:

ruskiy playmaker wrote:^  What the hell's so funny Dne?  He scored 10 goals for us last season and he wasn't even a regular.  Babel may not be a great header of the ball like Ronaldo, but he's on the same level when it comes to dribbling and finishing.

Are you having a laugh, the lad is when it comes to goin past someone, even the right back for Havent & Waterlooville last season had Babel in his back pocket!! he loses the ball far too easily and his passin is as bad as Traore's was, the fact of the matter is we paid £11m for him and even though he is young his fundamentals are lacking and if he doesnt start to improve then I think he'll be sold next season, problem being is that we'd lose a lot of money on him, if someone made a bit of £8m then I think Rafa would get rid!

He should stick to dodgy rap videos 

Damn, am I the only one that has seen vast improvement in Babel's game this season?  I watched him rip Manure and Mairselle defenders new , but yet you say that he can't beat defenders?  I think that I'll just quit posting in this thread because some posters clearly have something against this guy.

He done ok against United, so what?

What about every other game this season where he's been absoloutely awful. Especially Crewe the other week... where he played in his "supposedly favoured position". As for ripping Marseille a new , you've got to be joking lad. His contribution to the game was very minimal.

The lads not good enough, never will be good enough, never has been good enough and isn't a striker either. He won't improve either, players hardly improve at all, once they reach 16-19(very rarely you get an exception physically like Gerrard), he's nothing more than an impact player off the bench who can occassionally help change the pattern of a game.

He's also nowhere near the same class of player as Luis Garcia who had a brain and flair and could score important goals on a regular basis against anyone.

Wasn't going to comment until the Garcia part. Babel might not be C.Ronaldo but Garcia certainly wasn't and fyi players peak at 28 not 16, give the lad a break.

woof woof ! wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:He won't improve either, players hardly improve at all, once they reach 16-19(very rarely you get an exception physically like Gerrard).

Putting aside your opinion of Babel for the moment.
Where are your facts to support this particular statement or is it just an idea you plucked out of the air ?

Lets have a look at the last ten winners of the European Footballer of the Year and their age when they won the award.

Kaka aged 25
Cannevaro aged 33
Ronaldinho aged 25
Shevchenko aged 28
Nedved aged 31
Ronaldo aged 26
Owen aged 22
Figo aged 28
Rivaldo aged 27
Zidane aged 26

Funnily enough I don't see one winner between the age of 16-19. Are you seriously suggesting that all of the above reached their best when in their teens and hardly improved at all once they passed the age of 19 ?

Christ Stu, at times you do spout some tripe, and you still have the nerve to say "This board is getting worse by the day".

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What I'm saying is Owen didn't become any quicker at 22 than he was at 17. What I'm saying is Kaka was playing in a different continent when he was younger.

Players don't "gain attributes they never have". How many times do I have to say this point? How much evidence do you all need to see the stupidity in what you're saying?

If players could do this world class players would be everywhere as players would go and work on their weaknesses all day and all fine tune themselves into world beaters.

Players finish there Careers with pretty much the same attributes they start, they always have, they always will. Obviously they lose it physically, but never in football will you see a player who's on the ball become good on the ball, a player who's a complete turning into a Roy Keane stryle ball winner, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!! Jamie Carragher used to get slagged for playing right back and being on the ball. Play him at right back now, and guess what, he's still on the ball. He still defends excellently though. Always has, always will.

I'm quite bored of hearing the same things... "once Baros learns to get his head up, he'll be world class..." did he learn? No, do you think the coaches and himself weren't aware of his weaknesses? You're naive if you think that.

Sissoko, "once he learns to pass he'll be world class like Vieira", guess what, same result, he never learnt to pass and he was sold. Again, do you really think he didn't work on this part of his game and the coaches didn't try to teach him?

Cisse, "he'll be world class because he's quick and can score goals, just needs time, he's had two broken legs, remember Henry, my names Dave" etc etc. Again, what happened? Sold, not good enough.

Just because someones big, black, strong and quick doesn't mean they are a footballer or ever will be. To many people look at Vieira and Henry and think thats the ideal... we'll get a "raw talent" IE a Traore or a Sissoko and work on them. The fact is though, both Henry and Vieira could play football aswell as having immense physical attributes.

The game these days is obbsessed with trying to turn athletes into footballers. The fact is, it should be the other way round. Players like Paul Scholes and Robbie Fowler are dying breeds. Players with intelligence and technique but not much on the physical side, but I can tell you now. If I could take both of those lads at there best, they'd get into nearly every side in world football.

Looking around the top flight theres so many players like this now its becoming a joke. Pace isn't everything. Never will be. Ever since Owen burst onto the seen everyones been obbsessed with it and quite frankly I think its rediculous. Defenders don't like dealing with pace I keep hearing, I'm sorry but a defender would much rather play against Babel than Paul Scholes.

You can't make a great player out of , you can take a great player and get him to play to his strengths and teach him how to play in a system, which improves performance, but you can't make a rubbish player a good one. Anyone who thinks you can,doesn't understand football.