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by **faldo** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:28 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
faldo wrote:no i think we need all the people we can get,that actually has a track record scoring against manchester united.....to not recognize this would be foolish. it all depends on how you feel about manchester united and if you have already lost all memories of who scored the winner.

Ok sound...

You can start the "bring back Danny Murphy" campaigne lad!

lol thats quite funny,i almost forgot about danny murphy...thanks for reminding me. i just had a look on the official site which says danny has scored 44 goals for us...i remember about 4 of them

by **Toffeehater** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:36 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:Wow this thread has now evolved into whether we should sell babel , in his 2nd season as well where he has only had 1 start and has done well , got us a goal and our first win against united . Absolute Disgrace some on here, give the lad time , he's a great option to have , owen is good but we can't play all 3 , keane , torres and owen together .
Owen is a great striker but he could never beat his man by skills , sure he has the pace and first touch but babel has the skills , pace may have to work on his first touch like Ruud van nisterooy who improved his by hard work . I'd like to see babel up top for at least 5 games and see if he does have any effect . He does have the instinct and eye for goal , but for now he's a great option to have on the bench

Comparing Babel... a pile of turd.

To a former european player of the year...

Jesus tonight... I've heard it all now. Really have.

Well the former europen player was a poacher because of his pace won't you agree , when have we seen owen beat a man by dribbling pass him , its usually a pin point pass and pace . Sure owen was twice the player than babel is at his age , but i think ryan will come good , i know you don't rate him but that does not mean everything he does is rubbish , have you every praised babel , you've always shown his bad points , never said anything good about him . Fact .

A poacher because of his pace?

He had pace yes, but, he could pass, run, finish, head a ball, positionally excellent, movement was excellent, ran the line well, could hold the ball up, had a first touch, could play football, could take the ball on the move, influenced games. I also would suggest you look at his goals against Coventry, Argentina, Man Utd and just about every goal he scored.

Babel's , he does the odd decent thing once every ninety minutes and everyones up his . He's , he'll never a make a player, he'll never learn and thats why Rafa went and signed Reira instead, and for the "Babel's a striker brigade thats why he can't get a game ahead ofa miserabely out of form Keane). End of arguement.

Says the guy who thinks we could win the prem with ashton and pennant , yea sure you're a fountain of footie knowledge :laugh:

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by **faldo** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:55 pm

its funny being a liverpool supporter these days.nomally you go have banter with the manchester united,arsenal and chelsea fans. but we have so many different views on the same players. even to this day i have not convinced my mate that biscan just was not good enough for liverpool .

by **LegBarnes** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:00 am

aCe' wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:No way keep him he will only gain value over next few years.

Has he improved yes has he become a top prem player no of course not mainly bcos he hasn't been given a run in team , played out of position and lacks confidence.

Not saying babel and torres are same so don't get on my back but torres looked like he had really poor touch and control and was running into players but few games and he looked better.

If only babel would get that backing maybe you would see a better player imo.

torres had poor touch and was running into players ?

not even when he was at atletico...

running past players and skimming them... yes.. not always goin past his player yes.. but nothing like babel and his funny runs at times...he tries the one touch pass at times and more often than not ends up giving away possession... nothing like torres except for the fact that maybe theyr both very direct and have pace and look to go past players using their pace... but torres is some lightyears better than babel is atm !

I did state that i was not putting them in same bracket of course babel is no where near Torres talent or performances but lets face it has he been given a fair chance to prove it yet ?

Also many forget he is 3 years younger then Torres and being played out of position do you all feel if Torres was played left wing would you slate him for not being able to cross the ball well ?

I strongly feel that if Babel was played up front for 5 games in row we would start to see the player he really is.

But I know as a fact it won't happen (well not as fact I hope it would happen but can't see it happening).

At end of day he hasn't been given a fair go yet and still has put in some strong performances whats the problem ?

If you don't like him thats ok but please just say I don't like him but saying he can't play football is stupid due to fact he just hasn't played much football so far at this club.

Also thanks ace nice to be back.

by **jonny.** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:11 am

faldo wrote:its funny being a liverpool supporter these days.nomally you go have banter with the manchester united,arsenal and chelsea fans. but we have so many different views on the same players. even to this day i have not convinced my mate that biscan just was not good enough for liverpool .

your mate probably thinks Biscan was a natural Goalkeeper but wasn't given enough time to develop, see I originally thought Kuyt was a prolific goalscoring center forward but he's been given time to develop into a slow solid right midfielder

by **MASTER** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:15 pm

Okay Fo Dne,

Facts about Owen scored 155 goals in 297 games- Fantastic record, but NO league titles.
Dropped from England team at 21 years for Teddy Sheringham.
Played in 5 international tournaments, scoring 7 goals in 19 games, England out before the Semi Final every time.
SAF constantly made his admiration of one LFC player known and that was Steven Gerrard not the 'Headliner' Michael Owen.
Arsene Wenger never made a bid for Michael Owen even when he could go cheap in 2004, and that is quite illuminating I think. When Owen made it known in 2005 he would like to return to England NONE of the BIG 4 matched the bid of Newcastle United, which is of course where he ended up going, again quite illuminating, especially given is performance as an impact substitute for Real Madrid not to mention he was fitter than he had ever been at LFC. As I said still no bids.

And now even Newcastle do not want him, so argument invalid.

by **radun5** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:21 pm

MASTER wrote:Okay Fo Dne,

Facts about Owen scored 155 goals in 297 games- Fantastic record, but NO league titles.
Dropped from England team at 21 years for Teddy Sheringham.
Played in 5 international tournaments, scoring 7 goals in 19 games, England out before the Semi Final every time.
SAF constantly made his admiration of one LFC player known and that was Steven Gerrard not the 'Headliner' Michael Owen.
Arsene Wenger never made a bid for Michael Owen even when he could go cheap in 2004, and that is quite illuminating I think. When Owen made it known in 2005 he would like to return to England NONE of the BIG 4 matched the bid of Newcastle United, which is of course where he ended up going, again quite illuminating, especially given is performance as an impact substitute for Real Madrid not to mention he was fitter than he had ever been at LFC. As I said still no bids.

And now even Newcastle do not want him, so argument invalid.

WUM go away !

Unbelievable stuff in this post!

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:24 pm

radun5 wrote:
MASTER wrote:Okay Fo Dne,

Facts about Owen scored 155 goals in 297 games- Fantastic record, but NO league titles.
Dropped from England team at 21 years for Teddy Sheringham.
Played in 5 international tournaments, scoring 7 goals in 19 games, England out before the Semi Final every time.
SAF constantly made his admiration of one LFC player known and that was Steven Gerrard not the 'Headliner' Michael Owen.
Arsene Wenger never made a bid for Michael Owen even when he could go cheap in 2004, and that is quite illuminating I think. When Owen made it known in 2005 he would like to return to England NONE of the BIG 4 matched the bid of Newcastle United, which is of course where he ended up going, again quite illuminating, especially given is performance as an impact substitute for Real Madrid not to mention he was fitter than he had ever been at LFC. As I said still no bids.

And now even Newcastle do not want him, so argument invalid.

WUM go away !

Unbelievable stuff in this post!

none of the big4 matched the price newcastle offered because they found it unrealistic considering the price he was sold for. and newcastle badly needed to find a replacement for Shearer at that point..

also, if you had been reading articles, all the big4 clubs were at some point interested in buying him. except Chelsea.

by **tubby** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:44 pm

And Man Utd also. And you can bet your :censored:

that someone will be interested in him come Jan/July or whenever it is he can walk on a free.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:53 pm

MASTER wrote:Okay Fo Dne,

Facts about Owen scored 155 goals in 297 games- Fantastic record, but NO league titles.
Dropped from England team at 21 years for Teddy Sheringham.
Played in 5 international tournaments, scoring 7 goals in 19 games, England out before the Semi Final every time.
SAF constantly made his admiration of one LFC player known and that was Steven Gerrard not the 'Headliner' Michael Owen.
Arsene Wenger never made a bid for Michael Owen even when he could go cheap in 2004, and that is quite illuminating I think. When Owen made it known in 2005 he would like to return to England NONE of the BIG 4 matched the bid of Newcastle United, which is of course where he ended up going, again quite illuminating, especially given is performance as an impact substitute for Real Madrid not to mention he was fitter than he had ever been at LFC. As I said still no bids.

And now even Newcastle do not want him, so argument invalid.

Facts about Owen

He went to Real Madrid....... he never considered offers from other clubs

He wanted to come back to Liverpool but we couldn't justify paying £16million for a player we had just sold for HALF THE PRICE.

No other club was interested because £16million and £100k + pw wages is a lot of money. Only Newcastle would be daft enough to pay that for a player with Owens history of injuries.

Newcastle want him, they just can't afford him! Hopefully he is willing to negotiate on his wages if he wants to come to a club where he actually has a chance of winning something. It would still be a huge gamble to take Owen, he no longer has the blistering pace and while he is still scoring at a good rate, the chances of further injury would no doubt put off many otherwise interested clubs.

To compare Owen and Babel at this stage of Babels career is laughable. Owen scored more goals in his first season at Liverpool at age 17, than Babel has in his entire career up to now.

by **skatesy** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:11 pm

s@int wrote:To compare Owen and Babel at this stage of Babels career is laughable. Owen scored more goals in his first season at Liverpool at age 17, than Babel has in his entire career up to now.

And, it is important to remember that Babel is played as a winger and not as a striker.

Not to say that Babel would've scored as many as Owen did, however I do believe that if Babel was playing in a more forward / striker role, he would definitely have more goals in his pocket by now.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:26 pm

skatesy wrote:
s@int wrote:To compare Owen and Babel at this stage of Babels career is laughable. Owen scored more goals in his first season at Liverpool at age 17, than Babel has in his entire career up to now.

And, it is important to remember that Babel is played as a winger and not as a striker.

Not to say that Babel would've scored as many as Owen did, however I do believe that if Babel was playing in a more forward / striker role, he would definitely have more goals in his pocket by now.

Babel has played mainly as a left forward rather than as a winger, both in Holland and for Liverpool.

by **RedBlood** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:10 pm

i believe babel will get double figures again this season and if he was allowed to play week in week out as a striker could develop into one of the best around, he has everything in his locker to be a top draw player but people need to remember he is only 21 and give him time

by **Fo Dne** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:27 pm

Time to do what? What will "giving him time" acheive apart from setting us back?

Whats his age got to do with anything?

What a stupid post that is lad. Rediculous.

by **metalhead** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:46 pm

Fo Dne wrote:Time to do what? What will "giving him time" acheive apart from setting us back?

Whats his age got to do with anything?

What a stupid post that is lad. Rediculous.

He has potential, he just needs to find them, give him time stu.

He will be a top top player

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