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by **bigmick** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:40 pm

Sabre wrote:And I'm not sure thus Nanny Bigmick's mention of the American's is a bit sarcastic or not , as that kind of communication is up to Rafa.

No I'm serious about the Yanks being involved Sabes. Yes I think Rafa should have had a heart to heart, face to face, head to head, man to man with Xabi so to speak (I can't think of any more cliche's sorry

) but it's them two feckers who at the very least have put us in a position where we have to sell to buy, and it wouldn't even surprise me if they're on the phone ringing up clubs "hey bud, wanna buy yourself Shabby Alonso the top class Portuguese quarterback". C...s

As for Barry's position LFC, if Xabi was sold I'm fairly certain rafa saw him as a straight swap. If Xabi stays and we still sign him, then he'll play wide left. I do though share John Craigs concerns about this scenario. Sometimes with rafa I get the distinct impression that the less "options" and "possibilities" he has to consider, the better it is for all concerned.

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:45 pm

I'd pay about £50 to know Rafa's plans.

by **taff** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:52 pm

I dont mind O'Neills way of business but as much as he rants he must remember that Rafa is employed by Liverpool and if that means hanging about until the Barry situation becomes worse and they sell then so be it. I dont like it but its the ruthless streak that we call for. I like Alonso and hope he stays and can see him being professional although if he has a stormer of a season then can we blame him if he looks at offers.

by **maguskwt** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:46 am

xabi alonso has been absolutely terrific and graceful in this ongoing saga... well done..

btw abit out of topic, inter has signed mancini for 10 million, nasri is allegedly going to arsenal for 12... why aren't we making those kind of signings (not that I really want the former)? instead of trying to sign Barry and Keane for 17-20 millions...

by **LegBarnes** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:29 am

LFC2007 wrote:I'd pay about £50 to know Rafa's plans.

i see you £50 and raise you a mars bar :wwww

by **whylongball?** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:13 am

maguskwt wrote:btw abit out of topic, inter has signed mancini for 10 million, nasri is allegedly going to arsenal for 12... why aren't we making those kind of signings (not that I really want the former)? instead of trying to sign Barry and Keane for 17-20 millions...

my sentiments with those signings exactly
why?
And don't tell me attacking fullbacks can replace good wingers :no

by **LegBarnes** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:27 am

whylongball? wrote:
maguskwt wrote:btw abit out of topic, inter has signed mancini for 10 million, nasri is allegedly going to arsenal for 12... why aren't we making those kind of signings (not that I really want the former)? instead of trying to sign Barry and Keane for 17-20 millions...

my sentiments with those signings exactly
why?
And don't tell me attacking fullbacks can replace good wingers

agreed we need to bring in 1 very good winger or we aint got chance at prem this season.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:13 am

whylongball? wrote:
maguskwt wrote:btw abit out of topic, inter has signed mancini for 10 million, nasri is allegedly going to arsenal for 12... why aren't we making those kind of signings (not that I really want the former)? instead of trying to sign Barry and Keane for 17-20 millions...

my sentiments with those signings exactly
why?
And don't tell me attacking fullbacks can replace good wingers

That's what I was thinking about but we have to remember that Rafa loves the Italian style of football and they are not exactly big fans of wingers over there. I'd really love for us to sign one though, but it looks like we'll be depending on our fullbacks to deliver the crosses next season.

by **LegBarnes** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:40 am

ruskiy playmaker wrote:
whylongball? wrote:
maguskwt wrote:btw abit out of topic, inter has signed mancini for 10 million, nasri is allegedly going to arsenal for 12... why aren't we making those kind of signings (not that I really want the former)? instead of trying to sign Barry and Keane for 17-20 millions...

my sentiments with those signings exactly
why?
And don't tell me attacking fullbacks can replace good wingers

That's what I was thinking about but we have to remember that Rafa loves the Italian style of football and they are not exactly big fans of wingers over there. I'd really love for us to sign one though, but it looks like we'll be depending on our fullbacks to deliver the crosses next season.

wonder why he likes it mabye cos his style would be seemed to be attacking football over there. :Oo:

by **Number 9** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:46 am

bigmick wrote:Like I say Sabes, Xabi is a good pro and feels a lot for the club in my view which is just as well. There are many many players who would say "feck this sh!t" and down tools. The logical conclusion of disinterested performances when on such a long and lucrative contract is the club would have to sell eventually for a much smaller fee, probably paying the player a huge wedge in the process as a "kiss-off" payment. Xabi would then be free to negotiate a big salary to go play somewhere else in eighteen months or so. The difference in those negotiations would be he'd be able to hawk himself around the clubs long before the deal was confirmed, talk with his wife, get his kids into pre-school, buy a house in a nice suburb etc etc etc.

Luckily and thankfully, should his transfer infact not happen I don't think it will come to that because he seems to be of exceptional character. The club would do well to remember though that we are not dealing with Djibril Cisse, or Salif Daio here. This is not some Carlos Kickaball waster who has taken the p!ss in the past we are talking about. If it already hasn't happened, I would like to think parry or Rafa has gone to where Alonso is on holiday and at least had the decency to speak with the bloke man to man. It's not too much to ask surely.

Good point at the end about Alonso,its not fair the way he has been treated.
He probably has'nt got a clue where he will be next season.I know all players have some uncertainty at some stage in their careers but this has dragged on way too long.
We seem to have a knack of dragging out transfers,being stubborn,almost arrogant and pi'ssing teams off.

If LFC dont want to meet the price for whatever reason its time to move on and either keep Alonso or look at another option because we dont want to be sitting at 11.50 pm on the eve of the transfer deadline hoping a deal will go through like we were a couple of seasons ago with Simao.
I know theres weeks to go yet but it will be upon us quick.

Rafa said he was'nt happy because Barry had missed some of pre season training,well he needs to get our transfers sorted because if they are signed in the last few days they will be no use to us for a while if they have'nt trained with our squad.
Get them in now,get them training at Melwood and ready for August the 16th!

by **Owzat** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:24 am

ruskiy playmaker wrote:
whylongball? wrote:
maguskwt wrote:btw abit out of topic, inter has signed mancini for 10 million, nasri is allegedly going to arsenal for 12... why aren't we making those kind of signings (not that I really want the former)? instead of trying to sign Barry and Keane for 17-20 millions...

my sentiments with those signings exactly
why?
And don't tell me attacking fullbacks can replace good wingers

That's what I was thinking about but we have to remember that Rafa loves the Italian style of football and they are not exactly big fans of wingers over there. I'd really love for us to sign one though, but it looks like we'll be depending on our fullbacks to deliver the crosses next season.

What we also need is goals from midfield and full-backs tend not to weigh in with as many as good wingers. At the moment we still have only Torres and Gerrard who will weigh in with goals, Barny only scored nine last season and five of those were penalties so either he or Gerrard would lose some of their goals. Can't see Mascherano suddenly finding lots of goals and we've sold what some consider is our second best goalscoring striker to pompey.

So where will the goals come from? Babel? Kuyt? It's all very well Rafa theorising a way to get width and crosses, from full-backs, but who is going to get on the end of any crosses? Torres is better with the ball at his feet, you can't do clever space-making tricks (as easily) with your head. Unless Rafa thinks the full-backs will beat defenders, cut into the box and generally play like wingers in which case the ones we signed would have cost more then £7m and £0m. And we know how well Rafa's defensive strategy works, worth a goal a game to any opposition with any nous.

by **John Kegs** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:46 am

When was the last time we had a REAL winger at the club, cant we find us one of those for once, a quality one anyway

Sick of us using strikers and centre mids on the wings

by **RichardLFC1** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:22 am

Looks like Barry wont be coming as Rafa or the Americans want to play silly :censored:

. We offered 15 they sed no they want 18 we sold crouch for round about 11 and no better offer had been made. Now it looksl ike Arsene Wenger will get him now and the player who weve been tryna sign since may will be taken off us and we will have nothing making us stronger for the new season

I can see a very angry man in Steven Gerrard if Arsenal do end up signing him instead of us. Gerrard voiced that he wanted Barry he and would do anything to get him here. Not sure whos at fault if its Rafa or The americans but one of them needs to do something about it

by **Igor Zidane** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:24 pm

Latest from shankslegend on rawk . A well respected poster who has good sources and has been spot on in the past.

Good day all, had 2 people tell me this now that the only stumbling block today is that both clubs are haggling over the worth of Steve Finnan...............

We have changed a bid which will be forwarded to Villa this morning which will hopefully come a bit closure to their terms.

I am told that this is pretty much our final attempt, as the club feel that we are being put in an awkward situation and dont only want the best for Liverpool but also for Gareth.

Rafa is desperate to have his structures i.e new players for the beginning of next week.

I.e i think we will see quite some activity in the coming days.

by **Reg** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:48 pm

LFC have made a special appeal to UEFA to extend the transfer window another 6 months because once Rafa finally decides whether he´s going to buy Barry, he´s still got to sell Alonso then turn his attention to Keane.

One things for sure, Rafa doesnt exactly get a move on does he?

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