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by **Sabre** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:03 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:I see there's still a smattering of idiocy on these boards...

Some things never change, eh?

It's f*cking OBVIOUSLY a show of support for the manager. (The manager who the afore-mentioned idiots insisted had lost the players... )

I suppose you were wrong about that, so you're now changing tack once again?

Pathetic. Truly PATHETIC.

Call me pessimistic mate, but it also means that the players see real danger of Rafa not continuing here. If they feel the need of stating a clear support, is because they see danger

On a side note, where the fúck have you been? too much work for the few happy clappers while your absence :laugh:

by **Thingy** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:16 pm

I dont think he will leave, but if he leaves , Rafa leaves, all the backroom staff will be gone and maybe Arbeloa Alonso Torres maybe? We would have to start again. Its not about a certain player leaving, its about the whole team leaving, or the staff, cos it would happen.

by **Sabre** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:41 pm

No, seriously, you can't expect a massive exodus from the Spaniards should Rafa leaves, despite Reina's words.

Even if you remove from the equation the atmosphere you lot provide, and the greatness of the club, the Spanish players have really good reasons to stay at Liverpool:

* Better wages than in Spain
* Absolutely all the chances of being selected as an international, ask Morientes or Luis Garcia, who can't dream of coming back to the Squad since they're in Valencia and Atletico -- fact you should take as a compliment.
* Absolutely all the chances of winning trophies in Europe.

Those are powerful reasons to stay and I haven't even considered the club's atmosphere and the supporters.

You might think and write in the get it off the chest thread that your country is not perfect, but for a Spanish footballer that doesn't struggle with English language, England is a very good place to live.

Arteta doesn't have a pink journo (those journos that cover who fúcks with who, Hello-esque reviews) everyday at his home asking stupid questions. Torres is enjoying big time not being pursued by teenagers waving their underwear running towards him everytime he wants to go to the cinema...

Definitely and despite I'm a Rafa supporter, I doubt Alonso, Arbeloa or Torres would be wishing to come back. Maybe if Rafa is sacked like a piece of livestock they might leave because solidarity, but definitely as footballers they have plenty of reasons to stay, regardless the manager.

by **NANNY RED** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:07 pm

Sabre wrote:. Torres is enjoying big time not being pursued by teenagers waving their underwear running towards him everytime he wants to go to the cinema...

You could be right about the teenagers Sabs but your forgettin the about the Arl nannys like me i wouldnt mind throwin my big knickers or underwear as you said id chase him down the street no problem. Its the older ones you have to look out for not the kids :laugh:

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:11 am

NANNY RED wrote:
Sabre wrote:. Torres is enjoying big time not being pursued by teenagers waving their underwear running towards him everytime he wants to go to the cinema...

You could be right about the teenagers Sabs but your forgettin the about the Arl nannys like me i wouldnt mind throwin my big knickers or underwear as you said id chase him down the street no problem. Its the older ones you have to look out for not the kids

Nando's got the pace to burn off the zimmer frame set, though, Nan.

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:24 am

Bad Bob wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
Sabre wrote:. Torres is enjoying big time not being pursued by teenagers waving their underwear running towards him everytime he wants to go to the cinema...

You could be right about the teenagers Sabs but your forgettin the about the Arl nannys like me i wouldnt mind throwin my big knickers or underwear as you said id chase him down the street no problem. Its the older ones you have to look out for not the kids

Nando's got the pace to burn off the zimmer frame set, though, Nan.

Not when there powerd by Rolls Royce . id out manouver him at every position :eyebrow

by **LFC2007** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:09 am

Ciggy wrote:Jose Reina bombshell: I may leave if Rafa goes from Liverpool this summer

Liverpool goalkeeper Jose Reina has admitted he would consider leaving Liverpool if coach Rafael Benitez departs in the summer, describing life at the club without the Spaniard as unimaginable.

Benitez’s future has been in doubt since it was revealed that meetings were held with former Germany coach Jurgen Klinsmann with a view to him replacing Benitez at the end of the season.

The situation worsened recently when the Spanish coach discovered that Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry was involved in what he believed were meetings held behind his back.

Since his arrival on Merseyside in 2003 Benitez has brought a considerable contingent of Spanish talent to Anfield.

Reina arrived in 2005 from Villarreal and enjoyed a good start to life in England when he starred in that season’s FA Cup final penalty shoot-out against West Ham.

And now he says while his allegiance is to Liverpool and not the coach, he would have to consider his options should Benitez go.

“I can’t imagine being at Liverpool without Rafael Benitez.” Reina told Eurosport.

“My contract is with Liverpool, not Rafa Benitez, but I owe a lot to Rafa because he was the one who trusted me at that moment, brought me to Liverpool and supported me, and of course the mutual affection is there. We will have to wait.

“Like I say, my contract is with Liverpool, but if the coach moves and there is the possibility of me joining him, if he coaches another team, of course I would think about that.”

Reina added that Benitez should remain at Anfield as he is building something big, proven by the fact that the club are fighting to play in their third Champions League final in four years.

“The Liverpool project is based upon the way of working of the coach,” he said.

“Rafa is building something that is growing each year, and the results are there. We will have reached three finals in four years if we are lucky against Chelsea, which is very impressive.

“Every year we have a better team and are more competitive.

“With an idea and philosophy of the game he has tried to find the best players. It is a project for the medium or long term.”

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpo....0803167

No different to any other player in any other team who has faith in his manager, and hardly a bombshell.

It's hard to make much of it, since you don't know the questions that were put to him, but in saying that even if you analyse the quotes there's nothing uncommon there whatsoever, IMO.

There will always be a 'chance' that a player brought to a club by a manager will leave, if the manager leaves. Rafa's effectively built a microculture at the club, to remove the architect of that culture would inevitably cause those within the culture to question their futures, hence, there would be a 'chance' that they might also leave, and they'd at least 'think about it'.

How much of a chance?

Who knows (depends on cirumstances), but it's a scenario I wish not to envisage for the forseeable, and I don't think it will happen.

I don't think Reina has 'seen the danger' either (Sabre

), more likely the interviewer looking to write an article with a striking headline by enticing these sorts of answers.

Sabre

On a serious note, under normal circuntances I'd understand the loyalty bit just as some members do. But under THESE circuntances I see it as a statement of support to a man that has been undermined, sieged, and treated with little respect by the board.

Making up your own dialect again Sabre?, too many cunts

by **heimdall** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:15 am

Don't understand why I'm getting slagged off in a thread I haven't even posted in???

My position on Rafa is that at the moment I am fairly happy with him BECAUSE he is playing a settled side but if he starts the rotation cr@p again next season then I will be calling for his head even louder than I have up to now.

At the same time I'm not too fussed if he leaves, if some players leave then so what we'll replace them, might hurt a bit but at least we'll get players who want to play. Players should be loyal to the club first then the manager but more than likely these days the majority are loyal to their agents and their bank manager!

At the moment my main focus and hope is on getting rid of our idiot owners, does anybody disagree with me on that if not, then how the feck am I an idiot? Oh I can't wait for all the witty and intelligent monosyllabic replies.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:17 am

Jon Arne Heimdall

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:10 am

NANNY RED wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:Nando's got the pace to burn off the zimmer frame set, though, Nan.

Not when there powerd by Rolls Royce . id out manouver him at every position

by **SupitsJonF** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:17 am

I can really see Torres or Reina leaving if Rafa leaves, they love their home country and living somewhere where you are completely comfortable can be more important than wages. (They already have money, and they won't go broke playing for a new team.)

Which would leave? Not really sure, probably more Torres then Reina, but they are close friends now, if one goes I can see the other going. Xabi could leave regardless if he remains on the bench, which he hasn't because I think he has been playing well.

Don't take offense to my opinions, post your own and discuss

. (Not needed for most, but some trolls.)

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:38 am

LFC2007 wrote:Jon Arne Heimdall

sorry about this, I don't really wanna start a petty arguement but with this "fan" I have to, mainly inreference to the post earlier, but this one proves it. You use all the big words to make yourself look clever and make yourself feel good, when I'll be honest I couldn't make head nor tail of what you were saying and I'm pretty sure at least 75% of those inside Anfield on a saturday afternoon wouldn't know what you were banging on about either.

Then to top it off, you go and mispell a player's name. There's a H in John. Take more time looking at Liverpool than your dictionary and you might be able to form an opinion.

Anyway, sorry about that, but posts of that nature have been grinding on me for a few weeks. Back to this Reina debate, he can :censored:

off for alls I care IF he has said it. He's not playing for Rafa Benitez, he's playing for Liverpool Football Club. It's the football club who pay his wages so he can afford the finer things of life. To me what he's saying is "I'm playing so well to ensure Rafa Benitez succeeds" when it should be "I'm playing so well to ensure Liverpool Football Club succeed." We'll still be a football club with or without Benitez and Reina. Did Ray Clemance go "ooo Shanks has left, I'm gonna support him and not play under Paisley"? Did Jerzy Dudek go "ooo Houllier's left, I'm gonna support him and not play under Benitez"? No because they played for the club not for a manager.

For me Reina is the best keeper in a Liverpool shirt since Clemance, and I'd be sickened to see the fella leave because I rate him that highly, but coming out with these comments is completely wrong IMO. You can support the manager in a million ways. You can come out and say "I think Rafa has done a great job under the circumstances" You can say what Lucas said recently "Rafa Benitez is the greatest manager I've played under" but you shouldn't be coming out saying "I'll only stay if he does" because that shows absoloutely no loyalty to club, fans or fellow players. I've got no problem with Reina expressing support for Benitez if he went about it the right way, this for me isn't the right way.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:42 am

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:Jon Arne Heimdall

sorry about this, I don't really wanna start a petty arguement but with this "fan" I have to, mainly inreference to the post earlier, but this one proves it. You use all the big words to make yourself look clever and make yourself feel good, when I'll be honest I couldn't make head nor tail of what you were saying and I'm pretty sure at least 75% of those inside Anfield on a saturday afternoon wouldn't know what you were banging on about either.

Then to top it off, you go and mispell a player's name. There's a H in John. Take more time looking at Liverpool than your dictionary and you might be able to form an opinion.

Yes, GBJH, because your opinions are ever so respectable. :kungfu:

by **SupitsJonF** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:44 am

I know I'm not very high rank here, and I hate to play forum cop, but can we stay on topic?

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:49 am

SupitsJonF wrote:I know I'm not very high rank here, and I hate to play forum cop, but can we stay on topic?

i did mate, I made me point about "mr opinion" then made the point about Reina. Other members of this forum decide not to keep to topics. Fair enough, that's up to them. As for rank mate, don't give two :censored:

about that. You're a Liverpool fan (i hope) so your opinion is as valuable as anybody elses. As long as you express an opinion.

Anyway, as you've asked, I'll try and stick to the topic, and my views on this have been made clear in me post above. Reina has every right to defend Rafael Benitez but he's gone about it in a way which to me, shows lack of respect and loyalty to the club who to every player, manager, boardmemember and fan should come first.

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